Jesus is GOD
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One in purpose.
John 5:30 "...I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
John 6:38 "...not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me."
Leviticus 1:17
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall become one flesh.
Unity of purpose.
The Trinity refers to the Christian doctrine that there is one God who eternally exists in three distinct persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons are co-equal, co-eternal, and share the same essence or nature of God. Each person of the Trinity is fully God, yet there is only one God.
This concept is often described using the term “three in one” or “tri-unity.” It is not a belief in three separate gods or a belief in one God who merely manifests in different forms or modes. Rather, the Trinity is a unique understanding of the nature of God as revealed in the Bible.
Succinctly stated nature of our triune God. Unfortunately, just as God created man, man has been trying to return the favor by creating their own god(s) since the fall.
I'm not changing my mind, my decision has been made. You are free to make your own.
One can debunk God (Father) and Jesus (Son) being one entity in Matthew 24:36 speaking of who knows when the 'End of Days' will begin:
“But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."
If they are literally one existence for one part of an entity to not know what the other knows would be impossible. Also 'Father why have thou forsaken me' (Matthew 27:46) would make zero sense. Who exactly would he be crying out to in pain..
Go to Philippians 2:5-8 and read of the 'Kenosis', or the emptying that Jesus did to become man. As part of the incarnation, He took on humanity, while not displaying all of His Godly attributes. One example is at the transfiguration where Jesus reveals His glory, which had been hidden. As for Matt 27:46, when Jesus was on the cross, and God the Father placed on God the Son the sins of all who would believe, God the Father was could not look at God the Son who had become sin for us 2 Cor 5:21 and Habakkuk 1:13.
Truly, the Son of Man.
Jesus had two natures. One fully man (in which case he didn’t know some things and grew in stature and knowledge), the other fully God. The God Man. The hypostatic union.
Must remember his two natures when considering passages like this.
To create a baby, the mother contributes a full set of chromosomes.The father contributes another full set. To form one cell for life to begin, it takes 2 sets. Mary contributed the human chromosomes, but God contributed the divine chromosomes (man was created in His image and likeness so this wasn't cross speciation). The complete cell therefore was both human and divine. The human is the "child born to us." The divine is the "Son given to us in Isaiah 9:6." The Son is the Word who was in the beginning, was with God and was God (Jn. 1:1). That's why He is called "Mighty God." He is called "eternal Father" because you can't have a son without a father. God is the eternally begetting Father who is distinct but not separate from the eternally begotten Son. By the time Jesus was 12, He knew who He was, but as a human who began as a baby, He was not omniscient. He was limited in time and space until after His resurrection.He learned who He was through what His mother told Him, and what He learned from Scripture through the shepherding of His Father.
Good questions.
They are separate persons that share the same essence/nature. Difference in roles, but holding the same office.
Yes, it was difficult for early Jews to understand who Jesus was, even his family. Even Jesus said “a prophet has no honor in his hometown.”
God was progressively revealing himself at the time in the flesh (Messiah), which was foretold in Hebrew prophecy, but the Jews still had a hard time reconciling what they were seeing with Jesus. More miracles (revelation) were needed.
Jesus gave up glory in Heaven, but not Divinity. Jesus does not have 'two natures' he has one nature, and that his personality which happens to be sinless.
So you are right it is impossible that first the Father and Son are the same being, and second it is impossible that Jesus the Son has two natures. He is a human just like me and you but sinless which makes him Divine. We can become divine also.
Honest questions, do we all have blood, water and a spirit? Are they all not me? Do they all have their own purpose? Can blood do what water does or spirit, etc...? Is it all still one me?
1 John 5:7-8 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
yes one in purpose but not the same individual. Father and Son are separate individuals with separate personalities.
They are distinct, but never separate.
They are two different persons with different bodies, dispositions, and personalities with a common purpose. They do share the same Spirit that comes from the Father then to the Son, and then the rest of us.
"For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Col. 2:9)."
Agree 100%, fren!
whatever....I'm a nominal Protestant and secular humanist. I just read the Bible the way it reads. The words Father and Son would not be used if they did not mean exactly what those words are supposed to mean.
Do you believe Jesus is LORD?
Some pictures given of the relationship are: Revelation 21:23, "...the glory of God illumined it [the city], and its lamp is the Lamb." God is the "electricity," and the Lamp is the "lightbulb" which contains and expresses the electricity. "I am in the Father and the Father is in Me (Jn. 14:10&11)." We see how that works with the hidden manna from Exodus. The manna (the bread from heaven-Jesus) is in the golden pot (Gold symbolizes God), and the golden pot is in the ark (which symbolizes Christ).
If you read the Bible just the way it reads, you miss most of the good stuff. The truth contained is in pictures which are interpreted in the Bible itself. For instance, John described Jesus as, "The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (Jn. 1:29)." You know He's not a sheep, but to understand that statement takes the whole Bible, from Genesis to Revelation. In Jn, 1:51, Jesus alludes to Himself as Jacob's ladder. The Bible has a public key and a private key. When Jesus was asked why He spoke in parables, He said, "because seeing they do no see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand (Matt. 13:13)." "Because to you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of the heavens, but to them it has not been given (v. 11)."
Secular humanist
Jesus is the Word in the flesh. This may not be a perfect analogy, but I see it as an avatar/username. Are you u/Kensethfan? Is that actually you or just your username? Are you a separate being from your username that just has the same purpose? Your physical being cannot be in the Internet, but it is you on this forum, just like Jesus is God with us (Immanuel).