Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
144,000 is symbolic of perfect government. Mount sion is symbolic of the power of kingship, mount Sion is where the king rules from.
The Lamb is the conquering One, Jesus Christ. Those who have the Father’s name written in their foreheads are ruled by God’s law, they follow only the Holy Spirit of God.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Many waters is the multitude of warriors that Follow Jesus Christ alone.
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
The throne of God always designates the power and rule of God. Those governed by the power and rule of God have relationship with the Creator God and Jesus Christ our Lord through the New Spiritual Birth and the Holy Spirit that they follow.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Not defiled by woman is symbolic of not spiritually following any false spirit, religion, or false doctrine, they are pure.
Following the Lamb withersoever he goeth is the order of the 144,000. 144,000 is not an exact number it is a symbolic number of those governed by the throne of God and Jesus Christ.
This post symbolizes a terrible biblical hermeneutic.
Very clever. It might just be it's not the harmony you're used to. It's a spiritual interpretation of Revelation. I think it harmonizes very well with the Holy Spirit and scripture.
All through the ages many interpreters of Revelation have come and gone. However to this day, it remains an enigma. Your interpretation is just as viable as all those before you. Just don't be offended that others will doubt your interpretation. History happens to be on their side.
Love those ages :)
We're in an exciting time
have i talked to you about alien government? lol
Like lizard people?
nah like an ideal form of government proposed by an e.t. civilization. i'll send it in a pm if you're interested
Post it in the thread if you like, I do like ideal, perfect things.
its just a bit long, and possibly controversial... ...but sure!
Q: I'm curious to know about the social organization of your planet. How are you all organized?
B: The idea is simply that we are a spontaneous civilization now. We have elevated, what you call, trust, to an art form - in a positive sense. The idea simply being that we no longer need, what you would call, a government as such, a political system as such, an economic system as such, because we interact directly with each other individually and in groups; more in the format now that you would call a network.
In a sense it is our perception that your government, in time, or what you call your governments upon your planet, will take on more of the aspects of what you now call networks. Where you will facilitate individuals in contacting other individuals - those that have services, those that have needs.
The idea of our Association is not so much a government, nor exactly what you might call a Federation, for that still implies to some degree a governmental structure similar to the one you know. The idea is that it is a networking body, a serving body, that puts intelligence in line and in touch with other intelligence, that matches spontaneously need for need, service for service. And that is much the way our society interacts.
We have no need for a medium of exchange, because every individual that has a service, automatically attracts every individual that needs that service. And every individual that needs that service that is attracted automatically, brings with them a service that the first individual needs.
Everything is run by what you would call synchronicity, co-incidence - because that is the way life works. Because life is a holographic matrix, wherein everything is connected to everything else, automatically.
When your attitude knows that, when you focus on that particular structure, then that's the way you experience life and you do not need what might be called a reference structure, in order to organize things. Things organize themselves, and the government becomes one that serves rather than rules, allowing the flow to take place.
At any given moment, as we have said, our population is exploring in spacecraft and interacting with other civilizations and exploring many aspects of the universe; very few of us remain on the surface of our planet at any given time. Our planet is very green, as you say, park-like, in your language. There are no large built up structures upon our world, no large cities as upon yours.
The idea for us is not necessary, since the spacecraft in which we live, many times, are the cities themselves; many of them being many miles of your counting in length, and holding what you may call, tens of thousands of individuals.
There are only approximately two hundred million, in your counting, of our permanent population anyway. Our numbers are far lower than yours. The remainder of our population are those beings that simply as you say, come and go - that are not a permanent member of our society. Sometimes individuals are popping in and out, taking for the moment our corporeal form to experience our particular civilization, and then flashing back into energy. And sometimes there are other beings from other societies, who choose to spend some time upon the surface of our planet, interacting with many different members, both of our species and of others.
This is, in general, the idea of our lifestyle. It is very spontaneous, very joyful, very ecstatic. We are always exploring, always learning, always growing, always having a good time. (AUD: laughs) Will this do?
Q: Sounds interesting. What about the non-conformist? Is there such a thing?
B: /Everyone/ is a non-conformist. (AUD: laughs) And because everyone is allowed to be the fullest individual they can be, then we have great unity.
Q: Does that agree with a one-mind concept?
B: Understand that it is a misunderstanding in your society that one mind means a blandness of individuality. The idea, just like the person you are, is that when each and every one of your consciousness parts, when each and every one of your personality parts is as strong and equal to every other part it can be, then you function as a whole being.
And so, it is like that in a society - when the individual is the strongest individual they can be, then you have unity. For everyone is equally validated for the individual they are. And therefore, paradoxically, everyone supports the totality of all the other individuals that exist, and supports the idea of each and every being, being the strongest individual they can be.
So unconditional love is the key that allows us to function as one mind, and at the same time allows us to operate as distinct and variegated individuals. Understand?
Q: So there's no disagreements among...?
B: There are always different points of view, but the different points of view do not, in your terms, impede from the general flow of our positive progress. There is never disagreement in the sense that it holds things up. There can be different points of view, different approaches - but you see, to us they're all valid. So, if three individuals have three different points of view and three different approaches - we do them /all/. (AUD: laughs)
Or, if they finally allow themselves, by trying them all - as I use your term for now, trying - to simply come to the understanding that what one individual or another individual did is perhaps not as efficient as what the third individual came up with, then in recognizing that, the other two will probably align themselves with the third one.
Again, everything is done spontaneously, in a very obvious and conscious and willing manner. There is no need for argument as you call it, because all points of view are valid and we can learn from all of them. Understand?
Q: Yes.
B: Does this assist you?
Q: Yes, it does.
B: Well, thank you very much for /your/ point of view and your sharing.
Q: Thank you.
B: Thank you!
I might be an ET :)
JK, but I did think it resembled Idealism, which I tend to lean toward.
Glad you shared that, might make good thread.
Not to nitpick, but sometimes the frogs know things that I don't.
All of my bibles say Mount Zion, not Mount Sion.
Am I missing something that you can educate me on?
I don't know why KJV has it as mount Sion in Revelation 14.
Most versions are Zion, I saw a few that were Sion.
Means the same thing, it's where King David lived. The kings domain is the symbolism.
Thank you fren.
Also 144,000 lotus petals to the chakra system
I think New Age spiritualism is made to be feared by Christians so that when we talk about real spiritual matters the false is suspected.
A spiritual interpretation of the Revelation of Jesus Christ os not New Age spiritualism.
Raising the christ oil with the chakra system is certainly encoded in the bible
Ah, I thought you were being sarcastic, my apologies. There's a lot I don't know about interpreting spiritually, I've not studied the chakra system.
Share what you have if you don't mind.
:)
All good, fren.
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The oposite of 144,000 perfect government is the beasts government. Notice the mark 666 is in their foreheads(mindset) or hands(works). It's an active spiritual mark or mindset governed by the dragon which is that serpent the devil.
Buying and selling is doing basic business in the beast system. Getting along fine in the world is the mark of the beast. Our carnal Adamic nature naturally has the 666 beast mark.
These are spiritual concepts.
This not a singular man, it is Adamic man that is influenced by the dragon. Again spiritual concepts, 6 is the number of imperfection, 3 is the number of perfection, 666 is perfect imperfection, fallen man, fallen man, fallen man
Also think of carbon and it's atomic number 6