I watch several Chinese new review channels on a daily basis. It’s extremely eye opening. The economy is in catastrophe. 20% unemployment for youth. Every single cent of western investment is being yanked out and sent to India and SE Asia. Foxconn alone once employed 130k people in district, and now it’s down to 10k. They plan on moving everything out of China. It’s not just Apple. It’s everyone.
No one seems to know how bad it is over there. There is a real chance that famine is going to happen within a year. 13k millionaires left China last year. Banks are collapsing. Millions of people are paying for homes not yet, and likely won’t be. Evergrande alone has 607 projects that are not completed, and won’t be. Banking is collapsing due to these failed real estate investments, people are losing their entire savings and the government does nothing.
The port in Shanghai just recently went 2 days with no ships. That hasn’t happened in decades. It’s total and complete decoupling. All of it. Someone in the “Biden admin” releases new lists of technology and products every week that can longer be sold to China. We are crushing them by removing their access to advanced chemicals and components needed to create chips. Not only are we not selling them chips, we are removing their ability to make their own.
This sounds to me like corruption and foreign interference EOs are being used.
It’s easy to get bogged down in bad news. Remember Q asked what if China and Ukraine rigged the election? Look at them. They are being destroyed. Ghost in the machine. They can’t call Trump racist for destroying China. They are facing the worse sanctions and trade punishment they have ever had with the US. And no one is saying shit.
I found a channel that covers China exclusively called China Uncensored. The host clearly considers himself to be a bit of a comedian, but this channel has been consistently ahead of the news.
It definitely matters. It’s cutting off Chinas ability to steal IP and then produce products at a cheaper rate to sell back to the west. It’s not just iPhones. It’s everything. 5g, AI, avionics, chips, clothes, steel, plastic. Everything you see that says made in China is being cut off.
There is nothing that is going to spring back up, because the west is no longer using China. They are losing 50 years of advancement. College graduates are being shipped back to the country side to farm. It’s catastrophic. The CCP is scrambling to tear up the countryside to create more farms, because famine is a possibility in the next few years. China imports 75% of its food and oil. That costs money. Money that used to come in from western businesses using China as a factory, and from Chinese companies stealing IP and then selling it back at a cheaper rate. That money is disappearing in a matter of months. This is all happening incredibly fast.
If Trump had taken these measures as president, the media and congress would be going ballistic. Yet now they are saying nothing.
Concur and confirm. Work for a corp directly affected by inability to get tech from and sell back to Chinese firms.
Rare earth elements and things like silicon that are required for chip and component manufacture are not available either, so no one else can pick up where things are being left off.
It’s cutting off Chinas ability to steal IP and then produce products at a cheaper rate to sell back to the west. It’s not just iPhones. It’s everything. 5g, AI, avionics, chips, clothes, steel, plastic. Everything you see that says made in China is being cut off.
And you don't think some other country won't continue to do the same?
There is nothing that is going to spring back up, because the west is no longer using China.
Did you even read what I wrote? Nothing may spring back up in China, but it will spring up in India or some other SE Asian country.
The article didn't say this stuff is coming back to the US. That is what truly matters. They are deliberately doing the same thing, offshoring from America, and expecting a different result. The results will be the same. Tech is sold/stolen, profits go overseas, and other countries pass America by.
Not to mention I've been hearing about how China is collapsing for decades. I will wait until it actually happens before I celebrate.
Rare earth elements and things like silicon that are required for chip and component manufacture are not available either, so no one else can pick up where things are being left off.
As soon as they invade Taiwan, they'll have access to cutting edge tech again. Taiwanese officials have already rejected mining their tech infrastructure as a deterrent. They are so fucked.
I have no idea if this is real, white hats, deep state, or MIC.
Alternate theory - what if this is really happening, but it is the "bad guys" (whoever)? Why would they do that? Well the MIC for one really wants war. Guess what happens when all chips and tech is pulled from China? Taiwan will be invaded. We will be pulled in, and possibly a lot of other countries as well since Taiwan produces extremely important chips the world needs.
Same for the deep state and/or the globalists. They want depopulation? Pull China into a war against the world. That would be a pretty good chance for nukes raining down somewhere.
We need to watch this closely. This looks to me like someone is intentionally provoking China.
Except that CHINA itself is stopping exports too. They are suddenly forbidding certain companies from exporting their tech products, leaving major manufacturing places scrambling to replace suppliers.
Several wiser internal voices had tried for YEARS to warm of the insecurity of relying on China as some source for many of these things. Now however there is panicked rush and many little and big 'oh crap' moments among the exec set who had not believed the status quo could be shattered this quickly.
Oh I agree. I would love for everything to be sourced elsewhere. We as a country (USA) and actually probably the whole world are screwed. We dug ourselves into a Grand Canyon of a hole by using China for basically everything important, Not just chips and trinkets, but chemicals, drugs and their precursors, rare earth metals, and even materials required for our weapons systems that may one day be used against them. It is the height of stupidity.
This is a real conundrum. On the one hand we are getting the results we have wanted for quite some time. Maybe we will have more security in our tech products, more safety in our children's toys, and more reliability with our life-saving necessary drugs. Maybe we won't have to rely on our adversaries for our own national security. Maybe WalMart will only have 80% of their junk originate in China.
On the other hand, this is happening much faster than the rest of the world can react to replace what we are no longer getting from China. They are losing income streams that will lead to difficult decisions on their parts, which could also include them limiting other products the world needs in retaliation. It's like the dog that has been chasing the car for years and finally caught it. The dog is confused as to what to do now.
My point is both good guys and bad guys are probably responsible overall. I wouldn't be as worried if Trump was in the oval office directly and publicly dealing with Xi. They would work this out. Xiden will do whatever helps his family the most - screw the rest of us.
Even worse - he is the definition of weak, and is fully controlled by the Chinese. If he suddenly grows a vertebrae (no way he gets a whole spine) and pushes back, Xi could use that weakness to attack Taiwan or even activate the thousands of Chinese citizens currently in the US and attack us. We need measured leadership through this, and we don't have it.
I'd like to add, though, that the fact that China hasn't simply totally taken Taiwan outright is what's making me think hard about the Devolution theory. Not necessarily that Trump is somehow secretly in charge, but that some branch of the military is in control of some segment of national security. Why? Because China needs a lot of things right away and very badly, and had clearly planned on having them between the Clintons and Biden.
China holds most of our debt, but hasn't called it in. China has spyware in most everything electronic, but hasn't made overt use of it. China has a stroke of unmarried men of fighting age, but hasn't used them to invade anyone. (Given our border situation, and the Bidens being owned fully, one would think there'd be streaming platoons of CCP red army all over by now.)
If they're actually worried that tech they make could be used in weapons against them, doesn't that mean that they've learned that their back doors and spyware must have been neutralized? I had to let that sink in a bit, because it's got layers of implications. I can't think of any other evidence we have publicly on the Chinese situation that explains why they have not made advances on any of those fronts. So, as I said, I'm looking deeper into Devolution.
I agree on your thought process. There are a couple of things holding them back I think. Everyone forgets, but they borrowed a ton of money from us. I don't know if this article from 11 years ago is completely true, partially, or what, but I have heard for years China has owed the US a LOT of money:
There have also been many rumors about the CCP losing power inside of China. Not total power but people are supposedly pushing back far more than they used to. Again I don't know how true the rumors are, but if there is any truth to them I could see China not wanting to take their army to war and risk desertions or mutiny.
One other anecdote I learned - the Chinese army is basically fed crap. Their morale is low, and I imagine their strength would be low as well. I was wasting time one afternoon watching Internet videos of people eating really old (even Civil War) MREs or rations. After watching a bunch of videos I got sidetracked on MREs from other countries. People talked about Chinese MREs being rotten/spoiled, bug-infested, and not having enough calories or protein to sustain a war-fighter. Granted the Chinese are generally skinny as a twig and a lot of US military is closer to a tree trunk, but the general consensus was we fed our troops and they "kinda" did. Here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Youtuber-that-often-eats-WW2-era-MRE-s-refuses-to-eat-rancid-Chinese-MRE-that-s-less-than-YEAR-old-/5-2208243/
The known spyware is mostly under control provided we use the proper network security software and/or hardware devices. The backdoors are another matter. A recent issue came out with hidden software in firmware and in some cases actual board chips. It doesn't surprise me, because there have been rumors that the CIA has intercepted devices in the supply chain to do the same. Routers are commonly used, and indeed Huawei was one of the recent devices found with a backdoor. Years ago I remember (while I worked at Cisco) seeing some code on the Internet that was from Huawei but had code comments in the source from developers at Cisco - they stole the code from Cisco. It was irrefutable.
Devolution may or may not be happening. I hope it is but I'm not sure we will ever know. But the "hacking war" has been going on for a long time, both overtly and covertly, and long before devolution was even talked about. After the SolarWinds hack China might even be winning on that front.
Good info here, thank you. I agree the hacking war has been going on ever since there was a net, and I did not know about the MRE situation. Being on the outside we don't have the same level of info as POTUS and yes, we may never know what truly happened. OTOH, my mind reels at the amount of information top MI has to parse through, while not being able to trust it all, and have it make sense. If any MI Patriots are looking through here- I deeply appreciate you all!!
I watch several Chinese new review channels on a daily basis. It’s extremely eye opening. The economy is in catastrophe. 20% unemployment for youth. Every single cent of western investment is being yanked out and sent to India and SE Asia. Foxconn alone once employed 130k people in district, and now it’s down to 10k. They plan on moving everything out of China. It’s not just Apple. It’s everyone.
No one seems to know how bad it is over there. There is a real chance that famine is going to happen within a year. 13k millionaires left China last year. Banks are collapsing. Millions of people are paying for homes not yet, and likely won’t be. Evergrande alone has 607 projects that are not completed, and won’t be. Banking is collapsing due to these failed real estate investments, people are losing their entire savings and the government does nothing.
The port in Shanghai just recently went 2 days with no ships. That hasn’t happened in decades. It’s total and complete decoupling. All of it. Someone in the “Biden admin” releases new lists of technology and products every week that can longer be sold to China. We are crushing them by removing their access to advanced chemicals and components needed to create chips. Not only are we not selling them chips, we are removing their ability to make their own.
This sounds to me like corruption and foreign interference EOs are being used.
It’s easy to get bogged down in bad news. Remember Q asked what if China and Ukraine rigged the election? Look at them. They are being destroyed. Ghost in the machine. They can’t call Trump racist for destroying China. They are facing the worse sanctions and trade punishment they have ever had with the US. And no one is saying shit.
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I found a channel that covers China exclusively called China Uncensored. The host clearly considers himself to be a bit of a comedian, but this channel has been consistently ahead of the news.
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaUncensored/videos Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/ChinaUncensored
I hope you find this helpful.
Sounds like nothing can stop what is coming.
Unless this shit is coming to back America, nothing matters. Some other place will spring up as the new China, and business will continue as usual.
It definitely matters. It’s cutting off Chinas ability to steal IP and then produce products at a cheaper rate to sell back to the west. It’s not just iPhones. It’s everything. 5g, AI, avionics, chips, clothes, steel, plastic. Everything you see that says made in China is being cut off.
There is nothing that is going to spring back up, because the west is no longer using China. They are losing 50 years of advancement. College graduates are being shipped back to the country side to farm. It’s catastrophic. The CCP is scrambling to tear up the countryside to create more farms, because famine is a possibility in the next few years. China imports 75% of its food and oil. That costs money. Money that used to come in from western businesses using China as a factory, and from Chinese companies stealing IP and then selling it back at a cheaper rate. That money is disappearing in a matter of months. This is all happening incredibly fast.
If Trump had taken these measures as president, the media and congress would be going ballistic. Yet now they are saying nothing.
Concur and confirm. Work for a corp directly affected by inability to get tech from and sell back to Chinese firms.
Rare earth elements and things like silicon that are required for chip and component manufacture are not available either, so no one else can pick up where things are being left off.
And you don't think some other country won't continue to do the same?
Did you even read what I wrote? Nothing may spring back up in China, but it will spring up in India or some other SE Asian country.
The article didn't say this stuff is coming back to the US. That is what truly matters. They are deliberately doing the same thing, offshoring from America, and expecting a different result. The results will be the same. Tech is sold/stolen, profits go overseas, and other countries pass America by.
Not to mention I've been hearing about how China is collapsing for decades. I will wait until it actually happens before I celebrate.
From my comment above/below,
Rare earth elements and things like silicon that are required for chip and component manufacture are not available either, so no one else can pick up where things are being left off.
20 years too late.
As soon as they invade Taiwan, they'll have access to cutting edge tech again. Taiwanese officials have already rejected mining their tech infrastructure as a deterrent. They are so fucked.
I have no idea if this is real, white hats, deep state, or MIC.
Alternate theory - what if this is really happening, but it is the "bad guys" (whoever)? Why would they do that? Well the MIC for one really wants war. Guess what happens when all chips and tech is pulled from China? Taiwan will be invaded. We will be pulled in, and possibly a lot of other countries as well since Taiwan produces extremely important chips the world needs.
Same for the deep state and/or the globalists. They want depopulation? Pull China into a war against the world. That would be a pretty good chance for nukes raining down somewhere.
We need to watch this closely. This looks to me like someone is intentionally provoking China.
Except that CHINA itself is stopping exports too. They are suddenly forbidding certain companies from exporting their tech products, leaving major manufacturing places scrambling to replace suppliers.
Several wiser internal voices had tried for YEARS to warm of the insecurity of relying on China as some source for many of these things. Now however there is panicked rush and many little and big 'oh crap' moments among the exec set who had not believed the status quo could be shattered this quickly.
Oh I agree. I would love for everything to be sourced elsewhere. We as a country (USA) and actually probably the whole world are screwed. We dug ourselves into a Grand Canyon of a hole by using China for basically everything important, Not just chips and trinkets, but chemicals, drugs and their precursors, rare earth metals, and even materials required for our weapons systems that may one day be used against them. It is the height of stupidity.
This is a real conundrum. On the one hand we are getting the results we have wanted for quite some time. Maybe we will have more security in our tech products, more safety in our children's toys, and more reliability with our life-saving necessary drugs. Maybe we won't have to rely on our adversaries for our own national security. Maybe WalMart will only have 80% of their junk originate in China.
On the other hand, this is happening much faster than the rest of the world can react to replace what we are no longer getting from China. They are losing income streams that will lead to difficult decisions on their parts, which could also include them limiting other products the world needs in retaliation. It's like the dog that has been chasing the car for years and finally caught it. The dog is confused as to what to do now.
My point is both good guys and bad guys are probably responsible overall. I wouldn't be as worried if Trump was in the oval office directly and publicly dealing with Xi. They would work this out. Xiden will do whatever helps his family the most - screw the rest of us.
Even worse - he is the definition of weak, and is fully controlled by the Chinese. If he suddenly grows a vertebrae (no way he gets a whole spine) and pushes back, Xi could use that weakness to attack Taiwan or even activate the thousands of Chinese citizens currently in the US and attack us. We need measured leadership through this, and we don't have it.
Very insightful; I concur completely.
I'd like to add, though, that the fact that China hasn't simply totally taken Taiwan outright is what's making me think hard about the Devolution theory. Not necessarily that Trump is somehow secretly in charge, but that some branch of the military is in control of some segment of national security. Why? Because China needs a lot of things right away and very badly, and had clearly planned on having them between the Clintons and Biden.
China holds most of our debt, but hasn't called it in. China has spyware in most everything electronic, but hasn't made overt use of it. China has a stroke of unmarried men of fighting age, but hasn't used them to invade anyone. (Given our border situation, and the Bidens being owned fully, one would think there'd be streaming platoons of CCP red army all over by now.)
If they're actually worried that tech they make could be used in weapons against them, doesn't that mean that they've learned that their back doors and spyware must have been neutralized? I had to let that sink in a bit, because it's got layers of implications. I can't think of any other evidence we have publicly on the Chinese situation that explains why they have not made advances on any of those fronts. So, as I said, I'm looking deeper into Devolution.
I agree on your thought process. There are a couple of things holding them back I think. Everyone forgets, but they borrowed a ton of money from us. I don't know if this article from 11 years ago is completely true, partially, or what, but I have heard for years China has owed the US a LOT of money:
https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2012/05/chinas_secret_it_owes_american.html
There have also been many rumors about the CCP losing power inside of China. Not total power but people are supposedly pushing back far more than they used to. Again I don't know how true the rumors are, but if there is any truth to them I could see China not wanting to take their army to war and risk desertions or mutiny.
One other anecdote I learned - the Chinese army is basically fed crap. Their morale is low, and I imagine their strength would be low as well. I was wasting time one afternoon watching Internet videos of people eating really old (even Civil War) MREs or rations. After watching a bunch of videos I got sidetracked on MREs from other countries. People talked about Chinese MREs being rotten/spoiled, bug-infested, and not having enough calories or protein to sustain a war-fighter. Granted the Chinese are generally skinny as a twig and a lot of US military is closer to a tree trunk, but the general consensus was we fed our troops and they "kinda" did. Here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Youtuber-that-often-eats-WW2-era-MRE-s-refuses-to-eat-rancid-Chinese-MRE-that-s-less-than-YEAR-old-/5-2208243/
The known spyware is mostly under control provided we use the proper network security software and/or hardware devices. The backdoors are another matter. A recent issue came out with hidden software in firmware and in some cases actual board chips. It doesn't surprise me, because there have been rumors that the CIA has intercepted devices in the supply chain to do the same. Routers are commonly used, and indeed Huawei was one of the recent devices found with a backdoor. Years ago I remember (while I worked at Cisco) seeing some code on the Internet that was from Huawei but had code comments in the source from developers at Cisco - they stole the code from Cisco. It was irrefutable.
Devolution may or may not be happening. I hope it is but I'm not sure we will ever know. But the "hacking war" has been going on for a long time, both overtly and covertly, and long before devolution was even talked about. After the SolarWinds hack China might even be winning on that front.
Good info here, thank you. I agree the hacking war has been going on ever since there was a net, and I did not know about the MRE situation. Being on the outside we don't have the same level of info as POTUS and yes, we may never know what truly happened. OTOH, my mind reels at the amount of information top MI has to parse through, while not being able to trust it all, and have it make sense. If any MI Patriots are looking through here- I deeply appreciate you all!!