On the Maui and Lahaina fires, everything is theory until those things become fact. Please don’t Doom or Shill as what I present is theoretical, as is the given current information. I’m also not trying to come off snooty here but speaking from hands on work experience. I have a Masters in Public Admin with Specialty in Disaster Management, and 20+ years in Crisis Services. And I was a direct Crisis Worker/Counselor in the Butte County, Ca. Concow Fire of 2007. Including my town, family, and friends directly involved/affected by the Camp Fire (destruction of Paradise, Ca.) So I’m speaking from experience and education.
So with that said, thank you Anons and here’s what I’m touching on so far…..:
Currently I CAN’T rule out some sort of an attack by weapon or even simple arson, as more on that in a bit. But I can be spot on about very poor disaster and fire management in the area around Lahaina and possibly “hostile” arson. This was a disaster waiting to happen if things weren’t changed from a prior event, and certainly any nefarious/hostile incendiary encouragement was all that was needed. And my wife and I, as due a few thousand people, have direct experience on Maui’s historical crap fire management, outside of more nefarious or evil intentions that I’ll go into towards the end.
In 2011 my wife and I were in Maul with my parents, on vacation staying in Kihei. We left our 3 year old daughter with my parents for the day to go shopping in Lahaina. On the way back, only about 3ish miles out of the edge of Lahaina we got stuck on the highway due to a large brushfire erupting out of control along the northern side of Hwy 30. We had the ocean on 1 side and flames several feet high in the brush on the other. The firefighters and civilians were doing there best to knock down the fire, and the pumper trucks were pumping water directly out of the ocean. We were there stopped for 3-4 hours before they knocked it down from overtaking the hundreds stranded on the highway and beach/ocean edge there, and from it burning into Lahaina.
That night on the news, the newscasters amongst the “thank you’s” to 1st Responders discussed the continuing poor bush/grass management of the county/State of Hawaii, and the high winds that blast through the valley between Maui’s two main mountains, Every Day, at some point leading to a catastrophic event. And that more man power, a better disaster plan, highway widening, alerts, and funding was needed for fire-fighting, and brush management.
Video of civilians discussing current Lahaina fire and mentions of 2011 prior fire and Hawaii/Maui’s ongoing fire management issues.
Now… my friends where have you heard this also recently but actually for decades? Sounds just like California. And if you know anything about Cali’s recent history of poor forest management, this event sounds just like what led to the total destruction of the town of Paradise, in the same county I live in! And what happened? Poor management of the forest, and of PG&E Power Lines, with typical yearly valley high winds, led to the loss of 83 lives. The deadliest rural land and forest fire in US History, until Lahaina. My cousin is a northern Cali, CalFire Captain. So he and I have discussed at length Paradise’s destruction since he was in a crew that battled and stopped the Camp Fire from burning further into my home town.
With Lahaina the “majority” of the fire struck from the exact same direction here in 2023 as it did back in 2011, also explained in the video above and this one:
And since 2011 until now has the State/County of Hawaii improved their fire management, added more stand-by fire departments, or worked to keep all the wild brush and grass from being to close to roads, house, properties, and towns? N
Not really per all these videos and info. Nearly nothing has changed to improve their fire/land management, all the while knowing an event like this was obviously bound to happen. Below is an info video on the “natural” look of the situation. And no, this certainly wasn’t due to phucking climate change!
Coming from the from North East edge of Lahaina along Hwy 30, moving west at speeds of 70mph+ (or “conspiracy” possibly 1 mile a second from multi-directions after it initially started). Just like Paradise which was destroyed by 83+mph winds pushing a wall of fire, and fueled by poor forest management and faulty PG&E equipment, Lahaina was destroyed in the same fashion. The death toll sits today at 101, but is expected to rise as more than 1000 people are still unaccounted for.
One thing that is clearly going fester out of the initial response: There are now video’s and reports even in my videos, of the power going down or shut off as a response to not add electrical shorts to the fire. But this somehow this led to the all entire town and area’s water being shut off! So they couldn’t fight it for long even if they wanted to. So shutting off the power, also shut down the back up generators, and no one got word/orderd to turn them back on?!?! How?! This would easily assist any natural or really Arson-type fire to have all the fuel it needed. In other words, Try to make this event “look” natural and good”. All the while too many coincidences in all this point to purposeful crimes!
Okay so was it Cabal space lasers or Direct Energy Weapons (DEW’s), or arson, or the new whispers, a missile strike? I’m not sure but many, not all, but many of the wealthiest people’s mansions/homes, and some of, not all, but some of the best resorts all somehow managed to go relatively unscathed.
Video on: Destruction and what survived.
Video on DEW’s
https://www.bitchute.com/video/motG4NEo2L2B/
https://nypost.com/2023/08/10/oprahs-maui-estate-imperiled-by-hawaii-wildfires/
People such as Oprah and Jeff Bezoes and the likes suffered no catastrophic loss, and people such as him, surviving resorts, and large rental LA property managements are possibly rubbing their hands to jump in and “help”, or buy off and redevelop the area, I’m sure. Some are Cabal connected, and some aren’t, but you can research and make the call from the video and article, and what else you dig up.
Once thing is the Governor of Hawaii, unlike what Gavin NewScum never did for Californians, Hawaii’s governor made an emergency order against predatory loans, ALL land sales and purchases, and forced insurance or IRS foreclosures. All to protect property from being bought and sold, like what has continued across California’s fire ravaged areas, turning many priorly owned areas to mass rental properties and housing.
On The “Tsunami Sirens”: The Disaster manager decided against sounding the sirens due to them being for “Tsunamis”. And the Governor agreed as sounding those sirens would have sent many evacuating north, up hill, right into the wall of fire. From my perspective on this, I’d agree with that decision too. So you use the next alert system which was the internet and phone. And yes those alerts were sent out, but reports are not until it was really too late. Why? Because when you have several generations of Sheeple, trained/brainwashed to follow 1 direction when the sirens sound, Sheeple will follow. Or will see the wall of flames and become confuse for moments or minutes. And in a fire moving at 82+mph or faster….. that’s all the time it takes for confused people to be killed in Panic! And this type of PANIC reaction is historical human behavioral FACT.
On the “north east to west” gusts of wind: If someone had by accident or on purpose ignited the brush along HWY 30 at or near Maui’s natural Trade Winds that start in the early afternoon, they’d rush west at 15 to 36mph. Then pushed by the addition to passing the 750 mile away passing of Hurricane Dora upon typical Maui Trade Wind currents, you get Lahaina fire gusts of 67 to 82mph Again, I’ve been stuck in a Maui Fire event, and lived below Paradise destruction with my Cousin a direct fire Captain in the Camp Fire, so I can believe that part could be ruled arson or coincidental. But this was not from DEW’s or a blast/explosive.
Now what about the north eastern and west “circles” and spots within a hundred yards, like spots, then joining and burning down hill, over Lahaina’s larger buildings, washing over Front Street and destroying boats moored in the water? Well hot or ignited ash can travel through the air from a few feet up to several miles, and catch things on fire. And then the fires can join, create their own weather if pushed by high winds, turning into a fire storm. Just as how Paradise, Santa Rosa, Santa Monica, and the Carr Fire near Redding, Ca. and hundreds of devastating fires through time have operated and destroyed all in its path. But then we have the circle and those spots, how they moved and how fast can bring DEW’s or explosives into play. Per Juan with David Nino,
https://www.youtube.com/live/L84KFwnvyMY?feature=share
Juan reported at 33min into this video that this fire was NOT due to any US Military or US contracted controlled satellites/DEW’s, but that it could be other Cabal friendly Countries. He has ruled out Russia unless they countered for the “destroyed Pipe Line or Bridge”, but said Putin would admit it if he did, and realistically has no desire to fight the US or anyone else but Ukraine. Juan stated its still being “researched and investigated.
Then lets jump to today’s Juan video:
At 13min in Juan reports he had just left a meeting hours before where it was explained that if, if DEW’s were used in would have been on the more north-eastern edges, which would make it more “natural” to the wind situation. The circle and spotting fires however had wind speeds of 1 mile per second, which is near impossible, well above the 82mph gust speeds on the main west to east fire flow. Juan stated with wind speeds at 1 mile a second, it may have been pushed from a blast or large incendiary type device. Could have been a missile, drone, or a set device. But the wends in the circle and spots were completely unnatural. And the US Military is quickly investigating to determine what is correct, and then course of action. Could this be that “Pearl Harbor”, or precipice event?
Juan made it clear more intel/research must be done soon, and that this may be the “event” that starts a rapid succession of events on both sides to the end. Juan said it WON’T be over in a day or week. He said the end can go for months or up to election. But from his meeting, he hopes it will be sooner now that the military, the Air Force and US Space Force is formally involved.
Of course more info will come out for some time Anons, and everything here could all become wrong, or become spot on correct. But all wasn’t just “nature”, or a perfect sudden event due to “Act of God”. A lot was human stupidity, purposeful neglect , and yes sadly, even nefarious or hostile human intervention. God will judge those responsible harshly.
Yes this is War, and The End Won’t Be For Everyone. But by the grace of God my friends, We Will Win. WWG1WGA.
I have a bad bedside manner. I also have a thick hide. It just struck me as interesting...kind of an impeachment of the otherwise unimpeachable anon ethos, where confirmation bias is stronger than curiosity and truth-seeking.
But, to your questions. I gave one to "needmorecovfefe" elsewhere in this discussion. Maybe I can try to do more. Laser engineering is like any other engineering: you have to learn the basic principles before you can begin to understand the technology and phenomenology. Think what happens when something involves flight and people comment without knowing aerodynamics, propulsion, or aircraft structure. With lasers, the basic science is quantum mechanics.
Clouds are bad mainly because (1) they prevent the laser from seeing its target, and (2) they scatter the beam, and sometimes (3) if they are water, they absorb the beam. Even sea aerosols are bad, which is why maritime lasers are mounted at least deck high or on the superstructure to get above the seawater aerosols (droplets and salt particles). Refraction is something that can cause the target image (and beam path) to jitter over long distances. This is why low altitude applications are not usually promising, unless they are shooting upwards (air defense). Diffraction is a property of the beam and has to be dealt with by design or operation. In our weapon design work, we normally took it for granted that an airborne weapon would have to operate above the cloud deck (say 30,000 feet) shooting maybe co-altitude and upwards. Such weapons are so expensive and complicated, it hardly makes much sense to divert them to such trivial things as lighting fires. (Oh, it was talked about, but it wasn't worth much more attention than that.)
These weapons do not have an unlimited operational duration; either they have a finite supply of reactants, or of coolants. Current work is concentrating on electric lasers and internal cooling systems, but their power is well below the megawatt level. I will be interested to see how they propose to go to higher power levels without resorting to disposable coolants. We were originally working with the electric discharge carbon monoxide laser, emitting at about 4 microns wavelength. The quantum efficiency was about 40% or slightly better, the highest on record, and our designs had to use large quantities of liquid ethane as storable coolant to soak up the waste heat.
I keep on mentioning my Last Hurrah, the YAL-1A airborne laser, which successfully engaged and destroyed a boosting ballistic missile in 2010. If you read the Wikipedia article about it, you can pick up a lot, and get pointed to contributory topics.
Oh, and the fellow is not "talking shit" exactly, but he doesn't quite know what he is talking about. The weapons are studied and designed at AFRL at Kirtland AFB (or Space Force Base). Component technology and phenomenology against space targets are logically conducted at the Maui facility on top of Mt. Haleakala. Guidestar lasers are used to provide optical correction to telescopes, not as weapons. All the optics there are looking up, not down at forests.
Thank you very much DeathRayDesigner! I am here mostly for "truth seeking" & news. I appreciate the community aspect here as well but if we become a group where no one dare differ from our own narrative we are no better from that liberal group & culture which I fled a 1/2 dozen years ago or so.
Thanks for the quick crash course on high power lasers! Only 40% efficient! wow! Since most lasers that civilians use are low power, I never even thought about that part. I guess it's that because the medium doesn't fully absorb the source energy & so it radiates as heat. I guess that is why they are used for brief moments here & there. For this point alone I can see how the Maui lasers couldn't take out a missile but 2 things: 1) couldn't a Maui laser at least start some fires? I realize it can't take out a missile but I can start a fire with just a magnifying glass & sunlight. 2) Are you sure that you know where all our defensive SEW are? IF they really are for the defense of the United States and if long low range is less than desirable then one would think that we would locate our anti missile defense systems along the perimeter of our country and tbh, Hawaii would be the perfect place to stop long distance missiles heading for the west coast. (I would bet that one of the Aleutian Islands might be another good spot, to protect the west coast from attacks from the far east) Nothing personal but for the sake of maximum security they would probably not let anyone know, not even those that design them, like yourself, no one except for those that have to go man them on occasion. Don't you think? And so, once again the Maui base would be a good place to hide one of these more powerful types because the world believes there are only optical lasers there so all the extra personal & equipment won't surprise anyone.
Considering your other points though, it does seem like too big of a deal to fire one up just so some billionaire can buy up cheap property especially considering that hiring a few crazy arsonists would be a much easier route. Especially since Lahaina is practically on the water & there would be those water level complications, to boot. So yes I would say DEW is quite unlikely in this case but I'm not convinced of the other points.
Thank you very much for your in depth reply!
More to the story. The tabletop lasers used in physics labs and so forth are about 3-5% efficient. They are typically under 10 milliwatts, so the power dissipation is not a problem. You are correct about the cause of the inefficiency, and why it is called quantum efficiency. The lasing atom or molecule is excited up to the top energy level for the laser transition, and then drops down to the lower level to releast a photon. But the lower level is not all the way to the bottom, so there needs to be thermalization to get down to the starting point in the cycle.
The Maui lasers are not designed as weapons. They don't do target testing up there, with the possible exception of testing for sensor kills on satellites, which would be much lower power levels than for terrestrial weapons. They are designed to shoot up, not down. And they better damn well not threaten air traffic. Also, there is no confirmation that there can be an unobstructed line of sight from the summit of Mt. Haleakala to wherever the fire was. You have to keep asking, "What is the EVIDENCE?" Not, "Why can't it be my favorite Cabal weapon?" You might as well ask "Why can't they be Leprechauns?"
We have some anti-air DEWs for surface units, mounted on trucks, presumably to be tested in a field environment (shooting UP at targets), and some on ships for testing in a maritime environment (again shooting at air targets, though maybe sea skimming). No DEWs for strategic defense.
The strategic anti-missile defenses are the Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GBMD) system interceptors and radars. There is a silo field located in central Alaska to engage warheads arriving from over the north pole, and there is supposed to be another smaller field in Vandenberg AFB to engage warheads coming from the Pacific Ocean. No need to put them in Hawaii; the engagement geometry is bad (straight overhead). The Aleutians are a poor place to be---just rocks and volcanoes. Easier to be near Fairbanks. These locations are openly discussed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense
You want to punch up somebody you don't like. Do you hire out a walk-em, sock-em robot from Boston Dynamics, or hire a mean bouncer who throws a wicked left hook? Better yet, a handful of bouncers? Occam's Razor says "don't invent complicated answers if simple answers are adequate."
DeathRayDesigner - You & I probably run in the same circles. I did the same for 30 years. We should tell everyone the HEL beams are IR - invisible to the naked eye and incredibly expensive to operate. A match is much more efficient plus you can easily blame it on a dirty hippie
Heck, if you wanted to be fancy, you could use napalm or thermite. Just a match and some gasoline would work wonders.