On the Maui and Lahaina fires, everything is theory until those things become fact. Please don’t Doom or Shill as what I present is theoretical, as is the given current information. I’m also not trying to come off snooty here but speaking from hands on work experience. I have a Masters in Public Admin with Specialty in Disaster Management, and 20+ years in Crisis Services. And I was a direct Crisis Worker/Counselor in the Butte County, Ca. Concow Fire of 2007. Including my town, family, and friends directly involved/affected by the Camp Fire (destruction of Paradise, Ca.) So I’m speaking from experience and education.
So with that said, thank you Anons and here’s what I’m touching on so far…..:
Currently I CAN’T rule out some sort of an attack by weapon or even simple arson, as more on that in a bit. But I can be spot on about very poor disaster and fire management in the area around Lahaina and possibly “hostile” arson. This was a disaster waiting to happen if things weren’t changed from a prior event, and certainly any nefarious/hostile incendiary encouragement was all that was needed. And my wife and I, as due a few thousand people, have direct experience on Maui’s historical crap fire management, outside of more nefarious or evil intentions that I’ll go into towards the end.
In 2011 my wife and I were in Maul with my parents, on vacation staying in Kihei. We left our 3 year old daughter with my parents for the day to go shopping in Lahaina. On the way back, only about 3ish miles out of the edge of Lahaina we got stuck on the highway due to a large brushfire erupting out of control along the northern side of Hwy 30. We had the ocean on 1 side and flames several feet high in the brush on the other. The firefighters and civilians were doing there best to knock down the fire, and the pumper trucks were pumping water directly out of the ocean. We were there stopped for 3-4 hours before they knocked it down from overtaking the hundreds stranded on the highway and beach/ocean edge there, and from it burning into Lahaina.
That night on the news, the newscasters amongst the “thank you’s” to 1st Responders discussed the continuing poor bush/grass management of the county/State of Hawaii, and the high winds that blast through the valley between Maui’s two main mountains, Every Day, at some point leading to a catastrophic event. And that more man power, a better disaster plan, highway widening, alerts, and funding was needed for fire-fighting, and brush management.
Video of civilians discussing current Lahaina fire and mentions of 2011 prior fire and Hawaii/Maui’s ongoing fire management issues.
Now… my friends where have you heard this also recently but actually for decades? Sounds just like California. And if you know anything about Cali’s recent history of poor forest management, this event sounds just like what led to the total destruction of the town of Paradise, in the same county I live in! And what happened? Poor management of the forest, and of PG&E Power Lines, with typical yearly valley high winds, led to the loss of 83 lives. The deadliest rural land and forest fire in US History, until Lahaina. My cousin is a northern Cali, CalFire Captain. So he and I have discussed at length Paradise’s destruction since he was in a crew that battled and stopped the Camp Fire from burning further into my home town.
With Lahaina the “majority” of the fire struck from the exact same direction here in 2023 as it did back in 2011, also explained in the video above and this one:
And since 2011 until now has the State/County of Hawaii improved their fire management, added more stand-by fire departments, or worked to keep all the wild brush and grass from being to close to roads, house, properties, and towns? N
Not really per all these videos and info. Nearly nothing has changed to improve their fire/land management, all the while knowing an event like this was obviously bound to happen. Below is an info video on the “natural” look of the situation. And no, this certainly wasn’t due to phucking climate change!
Coming from the from North East edge of Lahaina along Hwy 30, moving west at speeds of 70mph+ (or “conspiracy” possibly 1 mile a second from multi-directions after it initially started). Just like Paradise which was destroyed by 83+mph winds pushing a wall of fire, and fueled by poor forest management and faulty PG&E equipment, Lahaina was destroyed in the same fashion. The death toll sits today at 101, but is expected to rise as more than 1000 people are still unaccounted for.
One thing that is clearly going fester out of the initial response: There are now video’s and reports even in my videos, of the power going down or shut off as a response to not add electrical shorts to the fire. But this somehow this led to the all entire town and area’s water being shut off! So they couldn’t fight it for long even if they wanted to. So shutting off the power, also shut down the back up generators, and no one got word/orderd to turn them back on?!?! How?! This would easily assist any natural or really Arson-type fire to have all the fuel it needed. In other words, Try to make this event “look” natural and good”. All the while too many coincidences in all this point to purposeful crimes!
Okay so was it Cabal space lasers or Direct Energy Weapons (DEW’s), or arson, or the new whispers, a missile strike? I’m not sure but many, not all, but many of the wealthiest people’s mansions/homes, and some of, not all, but some of the best resorts all somehow managed to go relatively unscathed.
Video on: Destruction and what survived.
Video on DEW’s
https://www.bitchute.com/video/motG4NEo2L2B/
https://nypost.com/2023/08/10/oprahs-maui-estate-imperiled-by-hawaii-wildfires/
People such as Oprah and Jeff Bezoes and the likes suffered no catastrophic loss, and people such as him, surviving resorts, and large rental LA property managements are possibly rubbing their hands to jump in and “help”, or buy off and redevelop the area, I’m sure. Some are Cabal connected, and some aren’t, but you can research and make the call from the video and article, and what else you dig up.
Once thing is the Governor of Hawaii, unlike what Gavin NewScum never did for Californians, Hawaii’s governor made an emergency order against predatory loans, ALL land sales and purchases, and forced insurance or IRS foreclosures. All to protect property from being bought and sold, like what has continued across California’s fire ravaged areas, turning many priorly owned areas to mass rental properties and housing.
On The “Tsunami Sirens”: The Disaster manager decided against sounding the sirens due to them being for “Tsunamis”. And the Governor agreed as sounding those sirens would have sent many evacuating north, up hill, right into the wall of fire. From my perspective on this, I’d agree with that decision too. So you use the next alert system which was the internet and phone. And yes those alerts were sent out, but reports are not until it was really too late. Why? Because when you have several generations of Sheeple, trained/brainwashed to follow 1 direction when the sirens sound, Sheeple will follow. Or will see the wall of flames and become confuse for moments or minutes. And in a fire moving at 82+mph or faster….. that’s all the time it takes for confused people to be killed in Panic! And this type of PANIC reaction is historical human behavioral FACT.
On the “north east to west” gusts of wind: If someone had by accident or on purpose ignited the brush along HWY 30 at or near Maui’s natural Trade Winds that start in the early afternoon, they’d rush west at 15 to 36mph. Then pushed by the addition to passing the 750 mile away passing of Hurricane Dora upon typical Maui Trade Wind currents, you get Lahaina fire gusts of 67 to 82mph Again, I’ve been stuck in a Maui Fire event, and lived below Paradise destruction with my Cousin a direct fire Captain in the Camp Fire, so I can believe that part could be ruled arson or coincidental. But this was not from DEW’s or a blast/explosive.
Now what about the north eastern and west “circles” and spots within a hundred yards, like spots, then joining and burning down hill, over Lahaina’s larger buildings, washing over Front Street and destroying boats moored in the water? Well hot or ignited ash can travel through the air from a few feet up to several miles, and catch things on fire. And then the fires can join, create their own weather if pushed by high winds, turning into a fire storm. Just as how Paradise, Santa Rosa, Santa Monica, and the Carr Fire near Redding, Ca. and hundreds of devastating fires through time have operated and destroyed all in its path. But then we have the circle and those spots, how they moved and how fast can bring DEW’s or explosives into play. Per Juan with David Nino,
https://www.youtube.com/live/L84KFwnvyMY?feature=share
Juan reported at 33min into this video that this fire was NOT due to any US Military or US contracted controlled satellites/DEW’s, but that it could be other Cabal friendly Countries. He has ruled out Russia unless they countered for the “destroyed Pipe Line or Bridge”, but said Putin would admit it if he did, and realistically has no desire to fight the US or anyone else but Ukraine. Juan stated its still being “researched and investigated.
Then lets jump to today’s Juan video:
At 13min in Juan reports he had just left a meeting hours before where it was explained that if, if DEW’s were used in would have been on the more north-eastern edges, which would make it more “natural” to the wind situation. The circle and spotting fires however had wind speeds of 1 mile per second, which is near impossible, well above the 82mph gust speeds on the main west to east fire flow. Juan stated with wind speeds at 1 mile a second, it may have been pushed from a blast or large incendiary type device. Could have been a missile, drone, or a set device. But the wends in the circle and spots were completely unnatural. And the US Military is quickly investigating to determine what is correct, and then course of action. Could this be that “Pearl Harbor”, or precipice event?
Juan made it clear more intel/research must be done soon, and that this may be the “event” that starts a rapid succession of events on both sides to the end. Juan said it WON’T be over in a day or week. He said the end can go for months or up to election. But from his meeting, he hopes it will be sooner now that the military, the Air Force and US Space Force is formally involved.
Of course more info will come out for some time Anons, and everything here could all become wrong, or become spot on correct. But all wasn’t just “nature”, or a perfect sudden event due to “Act of God”. A lot was human stupidity, purposeful neglect , and yes sadly, even nefarious or hostile human intervention. God will judge those responsible harshly.
Yes this is War, and The End Won’t Be For Everyone. But by the grace of God my friends, We Will Win. WWG1WGA.
My money is on tyrannical, intentional fires (DEW) started, targeted and designed to grab the land that native Hawaiians refused to sell.
Things that I see that belie the natural disaster narrative:
We are being fed the cover story that it was natural disaster due to land resource mismanagement, unusually windy conditions, climate change and downed hydro lines. What a pile of crap. These people are sick.
And why the police road blocks that kept people trapped in the fire? And why did the police shut down a distribution of supplies to help victims?
That was probably that deputy from Vegas. I'm assuming the cabal sent him there to help maximize the damage from the fire by turning off the elec, not sounding alarms & preventing locals to help
Great post MilitaryJustice. You have listed comprehensive information that leads to the conclusion this was deliberate. Put all the facts together and use reasoning, deduction and common sense. And follow the money.
Trust your eyes: https://media.greatawakening.win/post/i06u4gIMGgFG.jpeg
Very well said. I didn’t touch on the money much. There is just so much that yes, a well done concise non-fiction will be written about this. I still wonder today if Paradise Ca. was a test. So sad my friend.
I'm afraid it could have been Brent. Thank you for your great overview of your personal experiences in California and Maui.
What a tragedy of epic proportions which could have been so easily avoided with proper land management. And thank your for your commitment to your community in times of crisis.
I'm convinced that evil had a huge hand in this and praying we get answers for the survivors. 🙏
And now a hurricane bares down on California.
Yes... praying for all of California! 🙏
My question is why didn’t the power kick off. Utility poles are required to have either fuses or circuit breakers.
Supposedly it did shut off, leading to fire fighters and people losing all water/water pressure to fight the fire.
On the boats. If you research fire and Ash behavior, it can travel miles and ignite anything flammable. A fire that hot hitting the docks and harbor could easily catch boats on fire to the point of near melting them. Especially fiberglass and thin boat tin/steel. This fire altogether was F-ing hot and again as we know, was Not natural.
These boats were a good distance from the fire in the ocean.
Robust fires, wind heading from sea -> land (how would the ash get there?)
If we follow the money and the NWO objectives, all will make sense.
Ash can travel Miles. Not just hundreds of yards but miles. I have 1st hand experience. Plus again, my Cousin is a Fire Captain, not a pee-on. Plus Dr. McCoy, you’re not giving a fellow long term Anon and Moderator a little recognition of his knowledge. Did I mis-trust you in some way? I’m not doubting the money or obvious Cabal actions. I’m just being more factual due to education and experience in how things can “appear” to the rest of the not so versed.
I see your point. No disrespect meant. None at all. And what you say is a valid possibility. And you may be right. ✌️ paz.
I'm just saying when you look at all the evidence: Unnatural fire patterns, uniform damage to cars and homes, blocking exits during the active fire, preventing local help, who are the big land owners, Amazon's Maui Fire Book on sale within 2 days of the fire, NWO plans, Oprah and Zuckerberg own >1,000 acres of Maui each and Bezo's statement about limiting the population to 1,000 people, No sirens, Running out of water, immediate plans from authorities, No insurance to cover homes, I lean towards boat fires being unnatural, especially when the wind was blowing in the opposite direction from the boats.
I'M MAD AS HELL: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kOSaVPX2yB8/maxresdefault.jpg
Also in the videos I've seen the vehicle doors weren't left open as could be expected if people abandoned them. If you were running for your life would you stop to lock your car?
The upper echelon is corrupt. The lower level cops are useful idiots. If i was boots on ground as lower level cop, that shit would not fly. I would be helping these ppl. My neighborhood damnit. Before i get attacked as monday morning quarterbacking, i am a retired cop. I went against orders i deemed unlawful or unjust. I stood up to the boss a few times (maybe 3-5) in my career.
The make a desperate situation worst, make the Victims sell quicker
why would Q team allow this to happen? madness
That is an excellent question. Also they are still giving people the Covid jab TODAY.
They didn’t. If you listen to Juan, this was clearly outside their control. They knew a “Pearl Harbor-like event” was coming but I don’t think they can stop what other Countries decide to impulsively do. And Juan states this, and has said for a year an event or events like this would take us to the precipice.
so much for Patriots in control then!?
I don’t think they can control everything everywhere, especially if the Cabal is using international assets to do damage. Scary.
Ok so I guess chalk this up to the hot August. I just do hope this is the last of it for the sake of the people in the world. Yes, I know a war has causalities. I know. I'm just saying.
The same could be said about God. Q team isnt God. Im assuming they cant prevent arsonists everywhere and all at once.
Was this allowed to happen to rack up more charges on the DS? This seems a little odd the DS at this point in time would have access to any DEWs, let alone be able to fully just use them.
The bloodline controls all… people like the Rothschilds and other names you know are simply fingers of the same hand… the hidden hand controls all. Every country, every politician… you never go against the hidden hand, you can only go against others trying to take your spot as a finger of the hand….
The only solution is to lose the fear, fear is how they control us, greed, sexual perversion, race war, resource wars, drugs and metals in our food supply and water, music that inserts negative thoughts into your subconscious…
Read your Bible if you don’t believe me.. what does Jesus say about authority of the world. He gives clues to how to change things, but the change starts inside each of us first…
WWG1WGA
Everything you said I believe is true except the DEWs in Lahaina.
Being born and raised in Maui I have seen it on fire many times. In my opinion it’s about half arson and half wind caused fires. Even when we burned sugar cane up until 2016 the only major x-factor was the wind.
In 2018 there was the exact same scenario where it burned lower parts of Lahaina, Launiupoko to be exact. Wind blowing down power lines the exact same way. There’s lots of videos of people filming the power lines going down in this most recent fire to convince me that it was the retardedness of Hawaiian electric that created this disaster.
How many times are you going to replace the exact same power line with the exact same power line? Bury them underground or replace the wooden poles with metal poles. It’s obvious this happened because they wanted it to happen.
Wildfires dont melt metal on on cars and leave its surrounding intact
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OPVuc9QRD9Vl/
There is nothing intact. The houses that were skipped had green grass. look at the satellite image https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/2023_hawaii/index.html#16.62/20.901994/-156.682495/32.4/60
From your experience growing up on Maui & seeing many fires there, has there ever been another Maui fire that skipped houses & yards like that while others were white ash?
Structure fires are rare. The last time multiple houses burned was probably in between the 2018 fires and the 2023 fires in Olowalu. Even then it was 2 or 3 houses. Not thousands.
The fires are usually brush and Maui is usually in a drought so the logic is they will let the brush fire burn rather than waste water on it. Structure fires on Oahu and Hawaii island are usually arson.
Regarding the trees. Many fire resistant mountain trees like ironwood and pine were introduced to the islands.
Ironwood was introduced because it is tough to burn. The idea was to plant them at a certain elevation to slow down a forest fire. Coniferous trees were added to reintroduce water into the water table.
The pine trees on Lanai literally saved the water table there.
But green grass burns ...
Well said! The truth/facts will come out. Though I do believe this fire had hostile incendiary assistance. I don’t doubt the theories Juan put out.
Maui fire. Uvalde school shooting. Covenant Nashville school shooting. East Palestine train derailment. Fires & explosions at food processing facilities, especially those producing healthy food, like eggs or beef. Ect…
These disasters the past couple of years all have a long lists of details that arouse suspicion. Accidents happen, but lately these events look intentional to people who are paying attention.
In the words of Q: “How many coincidences before mathematically impossible?”
Spot on Anon. Sadly spot on.
Ty good write up. This entire event was so bad on many levels. Every time I watch or read I still cant come to terms how people can be so evil. I think it should be illegal for investors to come in and buy property from people who right at this moment are reeling from what just happened. What all was really happening on that island… do these sickos want it for a hub since epstein island is gone.. what is the end game. Going to dig a little between working today.
Who knew the Air Force had something special on Maui?
https://www.kirtland.af.mil/Portals/52/Air%20Force%20Maui%20Optical%20and%20Supercomputing%20%28AMOS%29%20Site_AFMC-2019-0163.pdf
8/17/23 - Direct Energy Weapons 🔥 exist and the Pentagon admits it. DEWs explained in detail:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/motG4NEo2L2B/
I did. For those in the field, it has been known for a very long time. Just like the guided missile test range on the west side of Kuaii.
The main location for dew weaponry is run from Maui. Many sources on this https://www.afrl.af.mil/Portals/90/Documents/RD/Air%20Force%20Maui%20Optical%20and%20Supercomputing%20(AMOS)%20Site_AFMC-2019-0163%20(1).pdf?ver=2020-08-26-102118-883
https://afsffp.sysplus.com/SFFP/contact/lab.aspx?labid=4
https://ladailypost.com/directed-energy-leader-dr-kelly-hammett-recaps-time-in-afrl-looks-ahead-to-space-position/
https://twitter.com/TLAVagabond/status/1690465638672736257?s=20
TY Needmorecovfefe, could you point me to the paragraph & line that says Maui is the MAIN location for this stuff. Thanks
https://afsffp.sysplus.com/SFFP/contact/lab.aspx?labid=4
It’s right there under first column that both sites are used for dew rd. As deathray says I am apparently wrong and everything is at Kirkland. However this states Maui is part of these systems rd. Further reading and interviews by Hammett have him saying his Maui team built and field tested in 18 months and was deployed overseas. So, idk except it seems Maui has played an integral role in developing said weaponry.
It says Maui is optical & supercomputing so according to this deathray is right, I'm sorry. It doesn't mean that someone didn't secretly gear up Maui for this particular task but no, it's not in the black & white. Powerful optical lasers could be secretly retooled for close range destruction on a good weather day which may have been the case here since Kirkland is too far away to be able to cherry pick individual houses. I would need to see a geographical map of Maui to see if the Lahaina district is a clear shot from the laser lab. If so, all the fires on every house would have had to been started from the direction of the lab. It might be true but more investigation would be needed. If so, whoever retooled those lasers is in deep trouble!
No need to be sorry, it’s nice that deathray is pointing out what these differences are as far as what they are capable of doing. I have no idea how any of this stuff works…
The sodium guidestar laser is purely an optical instrument for the real-time adjustment of active telescope optics. The site at Mt. Haleakala may support other lasers used for atmospheric propagation testing and effects measurement on satellites. These lasers are pointed upward, and are subject to weather limitations (cannot propagate through clouds).
The article about Dr. Hammett is interesting and encouraging. AFRL has been working on laser weapon development since the 1970s. Their signal achievement was the YAL-1A airborne laser (since scrapped). The weapons he talks about are generally for use against airborne targets---they point upwards to detect targets against a sky background. It has been long understood that they can be defeated in their function by smoke clouds.
There is no question the U.S. is starting to field laser weapons. But there is also no question that we have tactical bombers. Do we jump from what we have to an ASSUMPTION that such things are involved? Why not assume that the Air Force bombed Maui with incendiary bombs? Because there is NO EVIDENCE. And if there is a conspiracy, the easiest thing to devise for a conspiracy are conspirators, cell phones, accomplices, and cigarette lighters.
This is less research than it is grasping at straws to support confirmation bias.
I’m not saying there is evidence at all, I’m saying it’s okay for us to be skeptical and take in the facts especially when many in the community believe a dew was involved which isn’t new, we saw the same conversations with the Paradise fires. I agree a crazed lunatic and a lighter is all that is required to have catastrophic damage. However, further reading suggests that the first publicly admitted DEW technology (ya know, the same tech that they now think we are crazy for thinking it exists), well it was designed, built, and field tested in Maui before being sent overseas, there are many articles and statements that concur with this. Is it a coincidence? Probably, but the fact is just that facts. All this talk of DEW but little posting on what they are, what they do, who controls them, I mean it should be a natural curiosity for people to at least research it. As for me, I don’t know what happened, I know history shows us that massive fires have taken out cities to “rebuild”. How they start, who did it, was it all just an accident? Who really knows. Safe to say we really honestly know less than we don’t know…
But you are wrong about the DEW development. That takes place at Kirtland Air Force Base / Air Force Research Laboratory in Albuquerque, New Mexico. And it's been a long haul. The airborne lasers had been discontinued with the scrapping of YAL-1A (by Obama), though there is interest in lower-power versions for smaller aircraft. The terrestrial lasers (land and sea) are anti-aircraft systems. They are all, by nature, clear-weather weapons only. The facility on Mt. Haleakala is undoubtedly involved in research for DEWs against satellites, from the ground up (good astronomical viewing). Probably for optical sensor "kills," since hard kills are an order of magnitude more difficult.
Interesting that I am downvoted for providing correct information that no one else on this board can provide. Why is that? Honesty and knowledge don't sit well if they highlight ignorance? Egos are bruised?
Sorry you have been downvoted. The discussion is an important one, I’m wondering if anyone actually is reading links I provided. It’s weird cause during paradise fires no one could seem to locate any info on this, now it seems they are allowing some transparency that these systems actually do exist.
It has always been transparent, excluding the specific classified components. You just have to look in the defense-related journals and publications. The history began in 1972. https://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/all.htm
Very Interesting DeathRayDesigner! IDK why you get the down votes but you seem to know what you are saying (Your name also sorta implies that you work in the field.) Would it be possible to cite sources without getting anyone in trouble? If not that's fine too. I'm mostly just curious to know how they work & what they are capable of. I never even considered the refraction & diffraction through unpredictable clouds, but obviously they would redirect or scatter all sorts of EMF in different & unpredictable ways making DEW not possible on a bad day. Going by this logic, I was thinking it's probably not the best over long distances even on a good day because even a perfectly clear day would have some refraction diffraction & it would add up. Do you think it would be possible to cherry pick which houses to burn down the way people here are suggesting?
Could it be from a local DEW on Maui or do you think his twitter source https://twitter.com/TLAVagabond/status/1690465638672736257 is just talking shit. Thanks
I have a bad bedside manner. I also have a thick hide. It just struck me as interesting...kind of an impeachment of the otherwise unimpeachable anon ethos, where confirmation bias is stronger than curiosity and truth-seeking.
But, to your questions. I gave one to "needmorecovfefe" elsewhere in this discussion. Maybe I can try to do more. Laser engineering is like any other engineering: you have to learn the basic principles before you can begin to understand the technology and phenomenology. Think what happens when something involves flight and people comment without knowing aerodynamics, propulsion, or aircraft structure. With lasers, the basic science is quantum mechanics.
Clouds are bad mainly because (1) they prevent the laser from seeing its target, and (2) they scatter the beam, and sometimes (3) if they are water, they absorb the beam. Even sea aerosols are bad, which is why maritime lasers are mounted at least deck high or on the superstructure to get above the seawater aerosols (droplets and salt particles). Refraction is something that can cause the target image (and beam path) to jitter over long distances. This is why low altitude applications are not usually promising, unless they are shooting upwards (air defense). Diffraction is a property of the beam and has to be dealt with by design or operation. In our weapon design work, we normally took it for granted that an airborne weapon would have to operate above the cloud deck (say 30,000 feet) shooting maybe co-altitude and upwards. Such weapons are so expensive and complicated, it hardly makes much sense to divert them to such trivial things as lighting fires. (Oh, it was talked about, but it wasn't worth much more attention than that.)
These weapons do not have an unlimited operational duration; either they have a finite supply of reactants, or of coolants. Current work is concentrating on electric lasers and internal cooling systems, but their power is well below the megawatt level. I will be interested to see how they propose to go to higher power levels without resorting to disposable coolants. We were originally working with the electric discharge carbon monoxide laser, emitting at about 4 microns wavelength. The quantum efficiency was about 40% or slightly better, the highest on record, and our designs had to use large quantities of liquid ethane as storable coolant to soak up the waste heat.
I keep on mentioning my Last Hurrah, the YAL-1A airborne laser, which successfully engaged and destroyed a boosting ballistic missile in 2010. If you read the Wikipedia article about it, you can pick up a lot, and get pointed to contributory topics.
Oh, and the fellow is not "talking shit" exactly, but he doesn't quite know what he is talking about. The weapons are studied and designed at AFRL at Kirtland AFB (or Space Force Base). Component technology and phenomenology against space targets are logically conducted at the Maui facility on top of Mt. Haleakala. Guidestar lasers are used to provide optical correction to telescopes, not as weapons. All the optics there are looking up, not down at forests.
Thank you very much DeathRayDesigner! I am here mostly for "truth seeking" & news. I appreciate the community aspect here as well but if we become a group where no one dare differ from our own narrative we are no better from that liberal group & culture which I fled a 1/2 dozen years ago or so.
Thanks for the quick crash course on high power lasers! Only 40% efficient! wow! Since most lasers that civilians use are low power, I never even thought about that part. I guess it's that because the medium doesn't fully absorb the source energy & so it radiates as heat. I guess that is why they are used for brief moments here & there. For this point alone I can see how the Maui lasers couldn't take out a missile but 2 things: 1) couldn't a Maui laser at least start some fires? I realize it can't take out a missile but I can start a fire with just a magnifying glass & sunlight. 2) Are you sure that you know where all our defensive SEW are? IF they really are for the defense of the United States and if long low range is less than desirable then one would think that we would locate our anti missile defense systems along the perimeter of our country and tbh, Hawaii would be the perfect place to stop long distance missiles heading for the west coast. (I would bet that one of the Aleutian Islands might be another good spot, to protect the west coast from attacks from the far east) Nothing personal but for the sake of maximum security they would probably not let anyone know, not even those that design them, like yourself, no one except for those that have to go man them on occasion. Don't you think? And so, once again the Maui base would be a good place to hide one of these more powerful types because the world believes there are only optical lasers there so all the extra personal & equipment won't surprise anyone.
Considering your other points though, it does seem like too big of a deal to fire one up just so some billionaire can buy up cheap property especially considering that hiring a few crazy arsonists would be a much easier route. Especially since Lahaina is practically on the water & there would be those water level complications, to boot. So yes I would say DEW is quite unlikely in this case but I'm not convinced of the other points.
Thank you very much for your in depth reply!
More to the story. The tabletop lasers used in physics labs and so forth are about 3-5% efficient. They are typically under 10 milliwatts, so the power dissipation is not a problem. You are correct about the cause of the inefficiency, and why it is called quantum efficiency. The lasing atom or molecule is excited up to the top energy level for the laser transition, and then drops down to the lower level to releast a photon. But the lower level is not all the way to the bottom, so there needs to be thermalization to get down to the starting point in the cycle.
The Maui lasers are not designed as weapons. They don't do target testing up there, with the possible exception of testing for sensor kills on satellites, which would be much lower power levels than for terrestrial weapons. They are designed to shoot up, not down. And they better damn well not threaten air traffic. Also, there is no confirmation that there can be an unobstructed line of sight from the summit of Mt. Haleakala to wherever the fire was. You have to keep asking, "What is the EVIDENCE?" Not, "Why can't it be my favorite Cabal weapon?" You might as well ask "Why can't they be Leprechauns?"
We have some anti-air DEWs for surface units, mounted on trucks, presumably to be tested in a field environment (shooting UP at targets), and some on ships for testing in a maritime environment (again shooting at air targets, though maybe sea skimming). No DEWs for strategic defense.
The strategic anti-missile defenses are the Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GBMD) system interceptors and radars. There is a silo field located in central Alaska to engage warheads arriving from over the north pole, and there is supposed to be another smaller field in Vandenberg AFB to engage warheads coming from the Pacific Ocean. No need to put them in Hawaii; the engagement geometry is bad (straight overhead). The Aleutians are a poor place to be---just rocks and volcanoes. Easier to be near Fairbanks. These locations are openly discussed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense
You want to punch up somebody you don't like. Do you hire out a walk-em, sock-em robot from Boston Dynamics, or hire a mean bouncer who throws a wicked left hook? Better yet, a handful of bouncers? Occam's Razor says "don't invent complicated answers if simple answers are adequate."
DeathRayDesigner - You & I probably run in the same circles. I did the same for 30 years. We should tell everyone the HEL beams are IR - invisible to the naked eye and incredibly expensive to operate. A match is much more efficient plus you can easily blame it on a dirty hippie
Heck, if you wanted to be fancy, you could use napalm or thermite. Just a match and some gasoline would work wonders.
Its a satanic sacrifice of humans including children all for the land grabs, BBB and 15 min pilot city.
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Winds cant be blowing 1 mile per second. That would equate to 3600 mph.
Otherwise thanks for a thoughtful write up. We need to focus on the signal and not the noise. The DEW stuff really shouldnt be a focus at this stage and very likely could be psy op bullshit. Let those with the resources to determine the cause, decide. All we have is speculation and at this stage that is counterproductive.
Yes the mile a second part was grating, I believe the originator meant a mile a minute which = 60mph.
As always it's not the crime, it's the cover up. A 12 mile media free zone? Fema controlled relief supplies? Moar government!
That’s why I stressed “possibly” several times over Anon. To make it clear this isn’t fact but theory.
Considering no town on Hawaii that I can recall has ever completely burned to the ground in a day/night raises serious questions for me. It's literally the exact same type of fire as paradise where people don't even have time to escape its so fast. I don't recall fires like this ever happening before paradise. I can't remember if there was one more that happened like this, but you never heard about this before 2015. There is just something really strange about these fires. The intensity, speed, location, how it stops right before hitting certain buildings, the shear flattening of everything in its path. It's crazy to me. There has got to be some kind of weather control going along with this to make the fires this intense and fast.
Exactly. Yes agreed strongly!
Not sure why your response was downvoted... damn trolls.
The old god bail was related to weather control. There’s a lot of evil things trying to take full control of our nation like this and I wouldn’t be surprised if something happened on that island that invited evil. Kind of like those concerts where people start dying during the music and everyone keeps playing like it’s normal.
We’re allowed to talk about DEWs now?
Nothing should be off the table on this forum. Questions often lead to answers
A few days ago people here were being scolded and put on vacation for talking about it.
It would only be relevant if you had evidence. Just blaming DEWs like they were Leprechauns is not relevant. Particularly since this application has been low, low, low on the list of laser weapon missions for half a century.
Q would only be relevant if you had evidence. Just saying military intelligence is doing it in secret like they were Leprechauns is not relevant. Particularly since this application of psyops has been low, low, low on the list of psychological tactics of importance for half a century.
... ya gotta be able to ask questions about this stuff, yo.
So why is it that when the kicking is fatal to the idea, the proponents of the idea take it personally? As a hallmark of closed-minded conspiracy vendors, out to insert their interpretation into every shadow? You criticize the "cancel culture" and your reaction to me is "just Shut The Fuck Up"? Appreciation of irony is not your strong suit.
I have been respectful to persons, but not to ignorance. I think I am correct in stating that I am the only one on this board that has direct experience with the design and analysis of DEWs. I try to educate by providing information. I see that nobody can refute my information. All the reaction is against the fact that I speak from the authority of knowledge and experience. Maybe this shows up those who speak from superficial internet research, and don't like their trailing shirt-tails to be pointed out. So, tuck in your shirt-tails. Does anyone engage in the discussion by asking me for further explanation or information? I am happy to oblige, as I think I have demonstrated in the past.
What are you whining about. We are having a discussion. A couple downvotes? This is the internet
You can't ask intelligent questions if you engage in a massive complex of mistaken assumptions. And if you have questions, you need to recognize the answers from the very people who deal with the subject matter (DEWs). The discussion on this board tends to take as a given that DEWs are used as instruments of the Cabal---rather than scrutinizing whether there is any specific evidence they are being used. Ambiguous "evidence" resting on ignorance of real effects or limitations is not worth arguing.
My take is there is literal Satan worship and they invited something bad on that island. This is the only way I could explain the fire stopping at some points. Not allowing them to rebuild could literally mean they don’t want the sacrifice disturbed. God is greater than this and his protection is needed in times like this.
If we are seeking the Lord, our houses could be like the ones where the fire burned right up to the property line and went around
Hard to 100% tell, but I agree that something nefarious has certainly happened considering the way the fire acted vs nature.
OXNARD CALIFORNIA. POINT MUGU NAVAL AIR STATION. That’s one to start with. I’ve been studying it so long…THATS ONE OF THEM. 💯
I actually lived in Ventura at the time this occurred. I lived literally across the street from Port Hueneme at the time and worked up the hill in Thousand Oaks near the last offramp to go down the hill. Many of us left early that day to try to get down the pass before the 101 was closed off. Too late. The roads were already gridlocked. I ended up staying at a friend's home in the Valley that night after trying to get through on PCH and later taking the back road from the 118. I had to make arrangements with my neighbor to watch my dog. I wasn't able to get back to Ventura from LA for 2 days. The fires were still raging, but the 118 finally opened up - 101 and PCH were still closed.
When the roads opened, I drove down PCH past Pt Mugu once roads were open. I actually didn't see much charring more than 15 ft past the fences. I also flew an UltraLite out of Camarillo a few weeks later at about 800ft. We flew over the side of the hills and out over the water which is on the southside of Pt Mugu and did not see that the fire spread into the base.
Why do you believe Point Mugu Naval Air Station should be included in this list?
Thank you for writing this! Great to have insight from someone with direct knowledge.
A dirty hippie or a leftard professor with a match did this, as usual. Or wind downed powerlines most likely.
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I caught this on August 9th. You can see the time and date. Also, the origin. Abnormal and single blasts of beams. This is only a screen capture. ( obviously ). I believe this would be a part of what was the abnormal fire attack. DEW
During the Canadian fires, I kept thinking back to the Chinese "weather balloon". What were they up to? Would they tell us if they appeared again? What weapon capability might they have that we don't even know about? Could they have dropped something to be remotely ignited later?
To me, the DEW angle seems very psyop distraction. I think they want us to believe they have the keys to the space lasers when in actuality space force has been in control of the space tech, independent of the Biden administration.
The fires? Good old fashioned arson. Wind + fuel makes fire incredibly hot and destructive. Ever blown on embers to get a fire going? Think that but everywhere all at once.
The more expensive properties survive on the fact that they are equipped with better building materials and fire travels the path of least resistance, even avoiding moist trees jumping from cheap construction to the next.
As someone who is skeptical of everything, I'm surprised the q folk haven't caught onto this yet. "Patriots are in control"
This. There's absolutely no evidence that these DEWs are orbiting and able to burn the ground with precision. Fun fact: even with the physics of lasers, a tightly focused beam will inevitably spread due to quantum effects. This divergence is largely influenced by the wavelength of the laser and the aperture size. Furthermore, atmospheric interference, especially over long distances, can scatter and attenuate laser beams. Additionally, maintaining a stable platform in orbit to ensure pinpoint accuracy is a significant engineering challenge.
Yep. Very questionable. Arson or explosive is much easier to attain. And Juan even stated such vs. DEW’s.
As I said above. During the Canadian fires I kept thinking back to the Chinese "weather balloon". Is it possible they might be able to drop something that can be ignited/detonated remotely at a later time?
In several videos posted by locals, they mentioned baseball sized "fire hail". Having lived through several of the Malibu & Santa Monica Mountain fires which were fanned by Santana winds at 35-40 mph, I'd seen embers blown and huge fire tornados dancing on the hill ridges (which is quite a site to behold). I also went to high school on the Big Island and experienced a Cat 3 and Cat 4 hurricane while living there. I saw roofs blown off and all manner of things flying through the air. I've been trying to piece together what would have created this baseball sized "fire hail" since I heard about the - certainly not DEWs directly. I've also reviewed a lot of footage of people escaping the fires, but so no actual evidence of these fire balls, so it my be over exaggeration. It still rattles around in my brain though.
I think it was simple leave the electricity on after lots of lines went down. Then you just cut the power at the street if you don't want your home or business burnt.
Lots of those videos say it was DEW. I just see the electricity overloading transformers one by one until it gets around the circuit.
Can’t hit solar panels…or mirrors. 👀👀👀
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Scotty is always spot on. https://rumble.com/v38v1g8-the-prodigy-firestarter.html
I agree with you about this. I think there is a lot of stuff flying around out there about this that is just not credible but the part you mentioned about the fire circle and what Juan said makes sense to me. I am not really seeing a connection to the WEF 15 minute city when I try to verify that angle.
I don't believe the DEW theory. I do believe a DEW hit the Georgia guidestones. I don't think they were used here. Oprah commissioned a secret, high energy weapon so she can get more real estate? And somehow, people would never find out?
If this really happened then wouldn't Russia or Iran spend money and show us proof? Proof would immediately show the American people that the government is willing to do anything to take everything from us, so why wouldnt enemy nations show us proof?
Also, why would the US military risk evidence of a weapon or show how it works, just for real estate?
It's just mismanagement and government incompetence.
Perhaps the observatory that has admitted publicly it built a DEW weapon in record time of 18 months, that is located in Maui, that just went through an 18 month “lens” change for said observatory had a little bit of an issue when tested? Before anyone dismisses a theory of a DEW we should also consider the actual facts that Maui is an actual center for DEW and that immediately they dismissed any talk of this while also admitting they are not sure of the cause of such a fast moving and deadly fire. All of these things become coincidental in this case. Regardless I pray the people of Maui are left with some sort of dignity. The reports of bodies laying everywhere are absolutely heartbreaking.
The Air Force Research Laboratory is located in Albuquerque, New Mexico. That is where they built the weapon in 18 months, not on top of Mt. Haleakala. The facility there is for upward (space-borne) propagation testing, not for downward (terrestrial) testing. You don't even know if there is a direct line-of-sight between the Space Force facility and the fire sites. Can't shoot a laser through a mountain.
Agree, like stated above we know absolutely nothing, the transparency has only just begun. Maybe you should start a thread that shares how these systems actually work and what they are actually used for, then maybe everyone can calm down with the dew talk and go back to regular scheduled dooming.
There is video of a person running to the GuideStones and planting a device, during the night. It was a person, a wonderful person, who blasted those stones of the globalist. Not DEW
Yup a DEW would be a very inefficient way to start a wildfire you hope would destroy a target measured in square miles. Id focus on drones and feet on the ground.
This is just a melodramatic fascination with superweapons. Kill somebody with a disintegrator instead of a shot to the forehead. One of the reasons why "normies" can't take us seriously---because we are too damn obsessed with our imaginations and violate Occam's Razor all the time.