Let's look to scripture and see how Elijah handled that in 1 Kings chapter 18.....
Ahab became king and pissed off God more than any of the kings who came before him (1 Kings 16:33) by marrying Jezebel and officially establishing worship of Baal in the kingdom. God responds with three years of drought befalling the land (1 Kings chapter 17).
Chapter 18 of 1 Kings begins with the prophet Elijah presenting himself before Ahab, and challenging the prophets of Baal to a spiritual duel. Ahab sends out word across all of Israel to gather at Mount Carmel to see a battle between the prophets of Baal (and Asherah – who are forgotten from the story after vs 19) and Elijah representing YHWH. It’s 450 prophets against 1.
Elijah challenges the assembled masses asking, “How long will you go limping with two different opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him.” (vs 21) But the people remained silent. So Elijah’s proposed a simple test: Each team would make a stone altar with a pile of wood, just like normal. Each team would also be given a sacrificial bull, which will ceremonially butchered, and placed on the altar, also, just like normal. The twist would be that neither team would light their altar on fire. Instead, Elijah said,“…you call on the name of your god and I will call on the name of the Lord; the god who answers by fire is indeed God” (vs 24). And all the people said, “Bet!”
Elijah let team Baal go first. They took the bull that was given to them, prepared it, and called out to their god from around 6 am until noon, crying, “O Baal, answer us!” But there was no answer. After six hours of parading around the altar, Elijah participated in a long tradition of prophetic discourse: he became a bit of a dick.
"Your god being unable to hear you because he's off taking a shit in the bushes" (1 Kings 18:27)
After Elijah’s holy shit talking, the prophets of Baal cried even louder. And “they cut themselves with swords and lances until the blood gushed out over them.” (vs 28). But as midday began to turn into evening, and their bloody cries went unanswered, and Elijah continued to slice away at their morale, they gave up.
Then it was Elijah’s turn. He rebuilt the altar of the Lord that had been torn down under Ahab and Jezebel’s reign, using twelve stones representing the twelve tribes of Israel. He made a huge trench, a moat, around the altar, and after placing the wood and his butchered bull on it, he had the people fill four jars with water, and had them poured on the burnt offering and on the wood. He had this repeated three time, twelve in total. So much water that the moat he had dug was filled with water also. Elijah prayed to his God and
“Then the fire of the Lord fell and consumed the burnt offering, the wood, the stones, and the dust, and even licked up the water that was in the trench.” When all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The Lord indeed is God; the Lord indeed is God.” (vs 38-39)
After the battle of divine wills was over, Elijah said to the people, “Seize the prophets of Baal; do not let one of them escape.” Then they seized them; and Elijah brought them down to the Wadi Kishon, and killed them there. (vs 40)
If we go to the original language it's basically a profane word for poop.
One of multiple instances of crude or harsh language and profanity in the bible.
i.e. "Filthy Rags" in
"All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away." Isaiah 64:6
That's talking about used menstrual rags, basically dirty tampons which to a jew at that time was about the dirtiest thing there was. Highly vulgar.
I don't understand your reply. Jews don't recognize the apocrypha. Jews believe the canon closed with Malachi (Ezra) and do not recognize the NT. Some protestants adopt the 400 years of silence view as an attempt to poorly reconcile rabbinical Jewish beliefs that were created to deny Christ with the new testament. It's nonsensical.
Nowhere in the new testament is there a verse suggesting that there were 400 years without prophecy. All 4 of the Gospels begin Christ's ministry with John the Baptist... Would all of them really fail to mention "oh by the way John was the first prophet in 400 years, kind of a big deal"? As a matter of fact, we know he wasn't because Luke informs us that Simeon and Anna were two prophets in the temple when John was a small baby. Luke was a meticulous historian, surely he would have mentioned if prophetic activity was unusual and new?
Your dodging basic questions and, unlike me, not using scripture to support any of your assertions.
Also use the word heretic incorrectly. My position isn't even remotely in the category of heresy. But you literally rejecting Christ's words and saying that the Old testament isn't valid anymore is textbook heresy.
You're apparently have about a 10-year-old's Sunday school class understanding of theology.
You can walk into my church and pick just about any kid out of diapers and I bet they get the quote more scripture than you. You probably aren't even familiar with anything like the London Baptist confession or know a single line of any catechism ever written throughout history.
Go be stupid somewhere else. Quit drooling in the comments.
Burning man is an idol.
Let's look to scripture and see how Elijah handled that in 1 Kings chapter 18.....
Ahab became king and pissed off God more than any of the kings who came before him (1 Kings 16:33) by marrying Jezebel and officially establishing worship of Baal in the kingdom. God responds with three years of drought befalling the land (1 Kings chapter 17).
Chapter 18 of 1 Kings begins with the prophet Elijah presenting himself before Ahab, and challenging the prophets of Baal to a spiritual duel. Ahab sends out word across all of Israel to gather at Mount Carmel to see a battle between the prophets of Baal (and Asherah – who are forgotten from the story after vs 19) and Elijah representing YHWH. It’s 450 prophets against 1.
Elijah challenges the assembled masses asking, “How long will you go limping with two different opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him.” (vs 21) But the people remained silent. So Elijah’s proposed a simple test: Each team would make a stone altar with a pile of wood, just like normal. Each team would also be given a sacrificial bull, which will ceremonially butchered, and placed on the altar, also, just like normal. The twist would be that neither team would light their altar on fire. Instead, Elijah said,“…you call on the name of your god and I will call on the name of the Lord; the god who answers by fire is indeed God” (vs 24). And all the people said, “Bet!”
Elijah let team Baal go first. They took the bull that was given to them, prepared it, and called out to their god from around 6 am until noon, crying, “O Baal, answer us!” But there was no answer. After six hours of parading around the altar, Elijah participated in a long tradition of prophetic discourse: he became a bit of a dick.
"Your god being unable to hear you because he's off taking a shit in the bushes" (1 Kings 18:27)
After Elijah’s holy shit talking, the prophets of Baal cried even louder. And “they cut themselves with swords and lances until the blood gushed out over them.” (vs 28). But as midday began to turn into evening, and their bloody cries went unanswered, and Elijah continued to slice away at their morale, they gave up.
Then it was Elijah’s turn. He rebuilt the altar of the Lord that had been torn down under Ahab and Jezebel’s reign, using twelve stones representing the twelve tribes of Israel. He made a huge trench, a moat, around the altar, and after placing the wood and his butchered bull on it, he had the people fill four jars with water, and had them poured on the burnt offering and on the wood. He had this repeated three time, twelve in total. So much water that the moat he had dug was filled with water also. Elijah prayed to his God and
“Then the fire of the Lord fell and consumed the burnt offering, the wood, the stones, and the dust, and even licked up the water that was in the trench.” When all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The Lord indeed is God; the Lord indeed is God.” (vs 38-39)
After the battle of divine wills was over, Elijah said to the people, “Seize the prophets of Baal; do not let one of them escape.” Then they seized them; and Elijah brought them down to the Wadi Kishon, and killed them there. (vs 40)
Team Baal: 0 / Team YHWH: 1
Your god being unable to hear you because he's off taking a shit in the bushes" (1 Kings 18:27)
Hunting for my KJV…. But I am pretty sure it says,”dropping a deuce in the bushes.”
If we go to the original language it's basically a profane word for poop.
One of multiple instances of crude or harsh language and profanity in the bible.
i.e. "Filthy Rags" in "All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away." Isaiah 64:6
That's talking about used menstrual rags, basically dirty tampons which to a jew at that time was about the dirtiest thing there was. Highly vulgar.
There is no biblical basis for the teaching of the 400 years of silence.
I don't understand your reply. Jews don't recognize the apocrypha. Jews believe the canon closed with Malachi (Ezra) and do not recognize the NT. Some protestants adopt the 400 years of silence view as an attempt to poorly reconcile rabbinical Jewish beliefs that were created to deny Christ with the new testament. It's nonsensical.
Nowhere in the new testament is there a verse suggesting that there were 400 years without prophecy. All 4 of the Gospels begin Christ's ministry with John the Baptist... Would all of them really fail to mention "oh by the way John was the first prophet in 400 years, kind of a big deal"? As a matter of fact, we know he wasn't because Luke informs us that Simeon and Anna were two prophets in the temple when John was a small baby. Luke was a meticulous historian, surely he would have mentioned if prophetic activity was unusual and new?
He also beat the ever-living shit out of the moneychangers at the temple. So, there's that.
Why are you putting Old testament in scare brackets?
Do you think the Old testament isn't valid anymore? Because if so you're a heretic.
Christ didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.
The only thing in the Old testament that passed away was the holiness code which pointed to Christ.
What kind of church do you attend exactly?
Your dodging basic questions and, unlike me, not using scripture to support any of your assertions.
Also use the word heretic incorrectly. My position isn't even remotely in the category of heresy. But you literally rejecting Christ's words and saying that the Old testament isn't valid anymore is textbook heresy.
You're apparently have about a 10-year-old's Sunday school class understanding of theology.
You can walk into my church and pick just about any kid out of diapers and I bet they get the quote more scripture than you. You probably aren't even familiar with anything like the London Baptist confession or know a single line of any catechism ever written throughout history.
Go be stupid somewhere else. Quit drooling in the comments.