Well.. I feel like catsfive was referring to their influence within the company, and that is indeed a problem as we have already seen in Elon's Twitter.
If everyone speaks freely, then there is no problem, regardless of biases from Elon or anyone else. Free speech means free speech. REAL problems come from censorship of the less obvious variety: bots which create artificial "consensus" e.g., or shadowbanning of opposing viewpoints. If censorship of any kind is going on, overt or hidden, it's a real problem, but if everyone is truly free to speak, the problem takes care of itself.
Regardless however, preventing someone from speaking at all, no matter who they are, is not a victory but a loss.
REAL problems come from censorship of the less obvious variety: bots which create artificial "consensus" e.g., or shadowbanning of opposing viewpoints. If censorship of any kind is going on, overt or hidden, it's a real problem,
Yes, but this is where the ADL has their influence. They suppress others' ability to speak freely.
If everyone speaks freely, then there is no problem
But THAT is NOT happening, which is WHY it is a problem.
If censorship of any kind is going on, overt or hidden, it's a real problem
And what would you propose to do about that, especially when the other side is successful in banning the ability to respond with free speech?
but if everyone is truly free to speak, the problem takes care of itself.
Again, when only ONE side acts in a moral and just way, what do we do about the side who refuses to do so AND is able to censor the other side?
Regardless however, preventing someone from speaking at all, no matter who they are, is not a victory but a loss.
One thing I have come to realize the past couple of years is that some of these philosophical ideas about liberty must be kept in CONTEXT.
As John Adams said, America was founded for a MORAL people. If everyone was acting in a moral way, then we wouldn't need many laws at all.
But not everyone does. And when one side is able to squelch the free speech rights of the other side, we have to have a SOLUTION that actually can work in the REAL WORLD.
ADL has been acting OUTSIDE of the framework of morality. AND they have had some success in shutting down the free speech of others.
Therefore, IMO, it is morally just to shut down their free speech.
What OTHER solution would you suggest? And before you give your answer, I have to tell you this: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING AGAINST MY POSITION, BECAUSE YOUR POST WILL BE DELETED.
Get the picture? That is the problem we face with disgusting people like those who run the ADL.
Well.. I feel like catsfive was referring to their influence within the company, and that is indeed a problem as we have already seen in Elon's Twitter.
I didn't really get that, but I can see that now that you've said it. However, the solution remains the same. It's all about letting people speak.
Maybe, but letting people speak doesn't change things if Elon bends over backwards to make them happy, and I think that's a pretty big problem.
If everyone speaks freely, then there is no problem, regardless of biases from Elon or anyone else. Free speech means free speech. REAL problems come from censorship of the less obvious variety: bots which create artificial "consensus" e.g., or shadowbanning of opposing viewpoints. If censorship of any kind is going on, overt or hidden, it's a real problem, but if everyone is truly free to speak, the problem takes care of itself.
Regardless however, preventing someone from speaking at all, no matter who they are, is not a victory but a loss.
Yes, but this is where the ADL has their influence. They suppress others' ability to speak freely.
But THAT is NOT happening, which is WHY it is a problem.
And what would you propose to do about that, especially when the other side is successful in banning the ability to respond with free speech?
Again, when only ONE side acts in a moral and just way, what do we do about the side who refuses to do so AND is able to censor the other side?
One thing I have come to realize the past couple of years is that some of these philosophical ideas about liberty must be kept in CONTEXT.
As John Adams said, America was founded for a MORAL people. If everyone was acting in a moral way, then we wouldn't need many laws at all.
But not everyone does. And when one side is able to squelch the free speech rights of the other side, we have to have a SOLUTION that actually can work in the REAL WORLD.
ADL has been acting OUTSIDE of the framework of morality. AND they have had some success in shutting down the free speech of others.
Therefore, IMO, it is morally just to shut down their free speech.
What OTHER solution would you suggest? And before you give your answer, I have to tell you this: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING AGAINST MY POSITION, BECAUSE YOUR POST WILL BE DELETED.
Get the picture? That is the problem we face with disgusting people like those who run the ADL.