I doubt that qualifies as an unbiased poll on a random selection of the population. Regardless, X should absolutely not ban the ADL. "Banning" anyone from the conversation does two things:
it completely disqualifies any concept of an open conversation. It shuts out anyone on the "other side" who wants to talk about that side of the conversation. These are the exact people who need to be reached. Thus shutting them out defeats the entire purpose.
Related to (1), but for emphasis: It's either free speech or it's not. If you are silencing anyone, you can silence ANYONE. The conversation must be free or no one's mind can possibly be changed, and thus the division persists. The way to defeat lies is not accomplished by silencing the liar, forcing them into the shadows, but by shining light on them. We must be able to discuss it: let them speak, and show the evidence to the contrary. You want to end the division? This is the only way to accomplish it.
Banning the ADL would accomplish the opposite of a victory for We The People.
Exactly. And some digs on chans indicate that the ADL is behind this BanADL trend (we all know how they love to play victims).
ADL's undue influence must be completely eliminated, but they should be free to post whatever they want under their handle, and then let people see how they get ratio'ed.
unfortunately the marketplace of ideas is fake. they control the media, they control the culture, they are flooding the forums with bots and "shills" to manufacture consensus, all of which programs your friends and neighbors to betray their god given instincts.
giving your mortal ENEMIES, "people" who want you dead or enslaved, a voice is a mistake. it is one of the primary factors enabling degeneracy & evil to run absolutely rampant in the modern world.
in current_year.jpg, you can't debate your enemies. you must simply destroy them.
Well.. I feel like catsfive was referring to their influence within the company, and that is indeed a problem as we have already seen in Elon's Twitter.
Of course it’s Catsfive that suppprts banning. What are you going to do if all the conversations you ban for taking place on here end up being true? What if all the people you call retards end up being right?
Also, are you gonna ban me for pointing out that you’ve stickied 3 of your own posts at once? Talk about a gate keeper
You mean it wasn't true when I said that General Flynn's story was a most important piece of the puzzle, was told it wasn't relevant, and banned? __ Monty Hall Monitor
Oh? Were they my posts? No, they were posts that someone else posted on PDW that I moved over here because they were super relevant to GAW. Did they already previously exist on GAW? No, I searched for the content from someone in search, you'll notice I don't steal other people's posts and sticking my own. It's embarrassing to be outlifted and out researched and outhustled by PDW. When you see three cats five posts sticky to the front page, it's not me that should be embarrassed, it's YOU.
Your last post on GAW was almost a year ago. Seriously, what do you care? You are exactly the kind of do nothing, low info, low effort loser we don't want shitting up the board. Welcome to embodying the exact reason we mod GAW the way we do.
This is just a survey as a result of Torba being targeted and attacked by the ADL. Why is the ADL so anti-Christian? Why is the ADL opposed to constitutional values?
"I doubt that qualifies as an unbiased poll on a random selection of the population."
Any bets? The vast majority of Americans recognizes their anti-Christian agenda. And that is what it is. The ADL is blatantly opposed to Christian values and is the lead attack organization promoting Zionism. Don't believe me? Even Haaretz, a prominent Israeli publication recognizes this. The ADL targeted the John Birch Society. Now why would they do that? Here's an article from the Jerusalem Post revealing their spying operation. What gives the ADL the right to take on police powers to spy on other organizations? Could it be that the ADL should register as a foreign organization or FARA? Why hasn't this been enforced when it is clearly a foreign lobby group. Manafort and Flynn have been prosecuted on far less than what the ADL has been doing for decades without registering for FARA categorization. As Shane Burley and Ben Lorber have rightly opined, the ADL blindly equating the white Christian Right with pro-Palestinian human rights activism is actually setting American Jews in position of peril. Other American conservatives claim the ADL and SPLC go outside their mandate and label legitimate right-wing organizations, particularly with an anti-immigration position (e.g., Lou Dobbs), as hate groups. Dobbs called the ADL and SPLC as "absolute advocate groups for open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens" and said of the ADL, "They are a joke." ADL has targeted 'Turning Point USA' and other organizations like Steve Bannon's 'War Room'. The ADL even classifies being anti-'Antifa' as "white supremacist".
Absolutely. I'd bet anything. It is not difficult to go outside and ask people. I do it all the time (not about the ADL specifically, but on the broader scope of the Cabal and their methods of manipulation). People barely even know who the ADL is, much less that they are an agency of propaganda designed specifically to hide evidence. If you believe that 92% of America understands that, you are living in a fantasy world.
And I'd bet my house on it.
If it weren't already owned by the people who created the ADL
Don't believe me?
I know perfectly well who the ADL is, who created it, and why.
I also know that very few other people do. Including you if you think they are "anti-Christian." (Hint: they own all the Christian propaganda too. And of course they do. It's what they do! All one big happy controlled opposition family.)
"It is not difficult to go outside and ask people. I do it all the time..." "People barely even know who the ADL is,..."
I'm not privy to know who you associate with. Notwithstanding, in my survey with people it's pretty consistant that the ADL is overwhelmingly detested and are in favor of it being banned. Christians... real Christians know... They recognize it as a pro-Israel Zionist anti-Christian foreign lobby group. Lou Dobbs, Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon, Jim and Joe Hoff of The Gateway Pundit, Gen, Michael Flynn, Matt Staver of Liberty Counsel, Family Research Council (FRC), and even Trump knows. et. al. all know far too well the unchecked abusive power of the ADL. I'd argue the 'Q' group even recognizes it. And this is why in Q916, "We are saving Israel for last.".
What is terrifying is the FRC had been listed as an “anti-gay” group on the SPLC’s website since 2010. The FRC’s head complained in February 2014 that its presence on the SPLC’s “hate-watch” list inspired a terrorist attack against the organization. Floyd Corkins, the shooter, explicitly targeted the FRC in August 2012 and wanted to kill as many employees as possible precisely because the FRC had been listed as an “anti-gay” group on the SPLC’s website since 2010 … Both the SPLC and the ADL have a history of questionable claims relating to extremism. In a particularly recent example, the SPLC was forced to apologize after placing Ben Carson on an extremist watch list in early 2015, a move which generated serious public backlash.” "Despite its public portrayal of itself, the ADL isn’t a civil rights group in any meaningful sense, but rather, a veiled pro-Israel lobbying organization that uses superficial language of inclusiveness and anti-racism to defend Israel from criticism from the left." From this even the left recognizes what the ADL really is. If so, then why aren't they registered under FARA?
Even the Boston Review recognizes that," Under the guise of fighting hate speech, the ADL has a long history of wielding its moral authority to attack Arabs, blacks, and queers." ADL's history includes opposing the letter and spirit of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the California Constitution; it endorsed the pro-racial preferences Proposition 16 in California in November 2020 while that was opposed by 57% of Californians. There's another indication that most Americans oppose the ADL. The Anti-Defamation League has inserted itself into American politics in variety of ways over the decades primarily in the guise of a non-partisan, civil rights organization. Currently it has been allowed to have great influence nationally on bullying, diversity, equity and inclusivity issues in K-12 education systems in particular. ADL does not represent even the Jewish community as a whole and is regarded with distaste by a large segment of it. Oh and by the way, the "American Renaissance" writing this expose about the history of the ADL has set them in the "Hate group" category. Then, we have the following: "So Much for Free Speech: Twitter Shuts Down Generation Identity after Meeting with ADL’s Jonathan Greenblatt". Really? You can't make this sh&# up. It's that bad.
Including you if you think they are "anti-Christian." (Hint: they own all the Christian propaganda too. And of course they do. It's what they do! All one big happy controlled opposition family.)
I don't know if it was ADL members specifically, but certainly jews were behind the false narrative of "Judeo-Christian" blah blah.
Judaism and Christianity are two VERY different religions. The attempt to merge them is an infiltration of Christianity by jews.
That activity certainly IS anti-Christian, and if they "own all the Christian propaganda," it is not because they are pro-Christian. It is because they HATE Christianity, and are attempting to sabbotoge and destroy it from within.
Same thing they are doing to all White countries in the world with regard to genocide-by-replacement.
Jews have a long history of subversion of their host countries.
So what does a society/country do when there is a subversive element that is working to undermine the stability of the country and ultimately destroy the country using speech as one of it's strongest weapons? What do you do when that group invades academia and industry to brainwash generations of young people in order to meet those ends?
Do we just have the same fight forever because we believe in free speech? Or risk losing the way of life our forefathers fought and died for, free speech being part of it? There were groups of people we were kicked out of the original colonies because they were subversive and worked against what we were fighting for.
At some point you have to recognize enemy action and treat it as such. It cannot be a academic exercise forever.
Philosophical ideals are worthy of discussion and reflection.
But if there is something about them that does not work when applied to the facts and circumstancess of the real world, then there MUST necessarily be something lacking in those ideals.
Recognizing that there is an evil element that will attempt to use your pure ideals against you, and will continue to do so if left unchecked until your pure ideals lose in the end, is important in the overall understanding of what actions should be taken to best ensure that those pure ideals are successful in the real world.
So what does a society/country do when there is a subversive element that is working to undermine the stability of the country and ultimately destroy the country using speech as one of it's strongest weapons?
Speech is not their strongest weapon. Their strongest weapon is the ability to control what people see and hear and believe. That is not accomplished by what they say (at least not primarily), it is accomplished by what people hear AKA censorship of opposing opinions; the creation of "opposing boxes" into which everyone gets placed. Censorship, overt and covert, and the "opposing boxes" and subsequent ad hominem/pro hominem are their strongest weapons. They are easily defeated once those weapons are seen and shut down.
What do you do when that group invades academia and industry to brainwash generations of young people in order to meet those ends?
If the weapons are shut down, people can be shown the truth in a way that they can see it. You do not defeat the enemy by silencing them, but by showing all the ways that they have silenced everyone else.
Notice I am using the word "show" and not "tell." You must show people the truth. That is done by evidence and debate, not by censorship. What we are seeing now is a showing of the methods of censorship. I think what the Q team has done is open the communication channels. I think speech is, at the moment, already mostly free. If it weren't, we wouldn't even know we were being censored, just like we haven't realized it for the past couple thousand years (but especially the past 150 years or so).
Truly free speech is the answer. When people can speak and show evidence against the lies, the liar hangs himself. With the open communication channels we have which gives us the ability to see the methods of censorship that have been employed and show the people the actual evidence of it, the Cabal hangs itself. That is The Plan, and that is what we are seeing all around us, every day in the broader population.
It will take time and likely a precipice to reach everyone (all but 4-6%), but that is, I believe, The Plan.
Their strongest weapon is the ability to control what people see and hear and believe ... They are easily defeated once those weapons are seen and shut down.
You continue to ignore your own contradiction.
If YOU are not able to use YOUR free speech as a counter to someone else's free speech because THEY have effectively shut off YOUR free speech (but not their own), then ... YOU LOSE.
It becomes a one-way street of you being censored while they can say whatever they want -- and even back up what want to say by putting YOU in prison for even attempting to challenge their free speech.
There are more than a dozen countries in this world that today WILL PUT YOU IN PRISON if you question the jewish narrative of the Holocaust. It makes no difference if you can prove any particular part false. The fact that you would even TRY to say it will land you in prison.
So, one side has free speech and the other does not.
I have presented no contradiction. All of your replies to me in this thread (not counting the one on Christianity, which I largely (but not completely) agree with) rely on the premise that the Cabal retains control over the communication channels.
The way to defeat lies is not accomplished by silencing the liar, forcing them into the shadows, but by shining light on them.
Absolutely. All ideas need to be put out there for debate, discussion and mockery, if necessary. Why would anyone want people like that to be able to go back into hiding?
I doubt that qualifies as an unbiased poll on a random selection of the population.
If you took a random selection of people, you would have a large percentage who has no idea who the ADL is. Furthermore, among those who have some idea, very few of them would have any idea why some people hate the ADL due to all the disgusting things they have done throughout their existence -- starting with being formed to provide legal assistance for someone who kidnapped, tortured, raped, and murdered a girl, and defended him ONLY because he was a jew.
A random selection of people have no idea who the ADL are, or what they are really all about.
This poll, OTOH, is most likely made up of people who do know. A poll of people who are educated on a particular subject is more valid that a poll of random know-nothings, IMO.
Regardless, X should absolutely not ban ...
Generally speaking, nobody should swing their arms and punch you in the face. But if someone does it anyway, then you have every right to punch back, and punch back harder.
When the ADL is CONSTANTLY trying to censor and get people banned, then turnabout is fair play.
I stand for free speech. But as soon as a particular person or group of people make it clear that they want to push censorship, then they SHOULD become a target of censorship themselves.
We should all be made to live by the standards that we ourselves advocate.
If someone loots a store, then their home should be looted.
If someone randomly plays the knock-out game to unsuspecting and defenseless people, then they themselves should be routinely knocked out.
And if someone pushes for censorship, then they should be censored.
The only possible way to accomplish a perfect and rational world (or as close as we can come) is by allowing true debate to occur, and by learning how to listen.
Personally, I have a very hard time listening to arguments coming from the left. They follow "Rules for Radicals" to a T and it shuts down rational argument. Heck, I'm lucky if I can listen to anything from the left for more than 5 minutes max. How did Mark Twain say it? Never get into an argument with a fool; people will have a hard time telling the difference.
I doubt that qualifies as an unbiased poll on a random selection of the population. Regardless, X should absolutely not ban the ADL. "Banning" anyone from the conversation does two things:
Banning the ADL would accomplish the opposite of a victory for We The People.
Exactly. And some digs on chans indicate that the ADL is behind this BanADL trend (we all know how they love to play victims).
ADL's undue influence must be completely eliminated, but they should be free to post whatever they want under their handle, and then let people see how they get ratio'ed.
Let them fail in the marketplace of ideas.
Only when there is a free marketplace, which is exactly what orgs like ADL try to suppress.
unfortunately the marketplace of ideas is fake. they control the media, they control the culture, they are flooding the forums with bots and "shills" to manufacture consensus, all of which programs your friends and neighbors to betray their god given instincts.
giving your mortal ENEMIES, "people" who want you dead or enslaved, a voice is a mistake. it is one of the primary factors enabling degeneracy & evil to run absolutely rampant in the modern world.
in current_year.jpg, you can't debate your enemies. you must simply destroy them.
You love tyranny. Its only the flavor you object to.
They should remove their undue influence
The only way to accomplish that is to let them speak, and allow for the other side to present all of the evidence that proves their lies.
This is the power of truly free speech.
Well.. I feel like catsfive was referring to their influence within the company, and that is indeed a problem as we have already seen in Elon's Twitter.
I didn't really get that, but I can see that now that you've said it. However, the solution remains the same. It's all about letting people speak.
But the ADL wants to ELIMINATE that as a possibility.
What about when ADL actually DOES get someone banned or censored?
What should be the punishment for those in the ADL who commit such a crime?
Of course it’s Catsfive that suppprts banning. What are you going to do if all the conversations you ban for taking place on here end up being true? What if all the people you call retards end up being right?
Also, are you gonna ban me for pointing out that you’ve stickied 3 of your own posts at once? Talk about a gate keeper
You mean it wasn't true when I said that General Flynn's story was a most important piece of the puzzle, was told it wasn't relevant, and banned? __ Monty Hall Monitor
Oh? Were they my posts? No, they were posts that someone else posted on PDW that I moved over here because they were super relevant to GAW. Did they already previously exist on GAW? No, I searched for the content from someone in search, you'll notice I don't steal other people's posts and sticking my own. It's embarrassing to be outlifted and out researched and outhustled by PDW. When you see three cats five posts sticky to the front page, it's not me that should be embarrassed, it's YOU.
Your last post on GAW was almost a year ago. Seriously, what do you care? You are exactly the kind of do nothing, low info, low effort loser we don't want shitting up the board. Welcome to embodying the exact reason we mod GAW the way we do.
TALK ABOUT BEING A MORON.
Yes. We must remove the AI NPCs before the human NPCs can be tuned from "nons" to "anons".
This. It's better to keep them around to ridicule anyway.
This is just a survey as a result of Torba being targeted and attacked by the ADL. Why is the ADL so anti-Christian? Why is the ADL opposed to constitutional values?
Any bets? The vast majority of Americans recognizes their anti-Christian agenda. And that is what it is. The ADL is blatantly opposed to Christian values and is the lead attack organization promoting Zionism. Don't believe me? Even Haaretz, a prominent Israeli publication recognizes this. The ADL targeted the John Birch Society. Now why would they do that? Here's an article from the Jerusalem Post revealing their spying operation. What gives the ADL the right to take on police powers to spy on other organizations? Could it be that the ADL should register as a foreign organization or FARA? Why hasn't this been enforced when it is clearly a foreign lobby group. Manafort and Flynn have been prosecuted on far less than what the ADL has been doing for decades without registering for FARA categorization. As Shane Burley and Ben Lorber have rightly opined, the ADL blindly equating the white Christian Right with pro-Palestinian human rights activism is actually setting American Jews in position of peril. Other American conservatives claim the ADL and SPLC go outside their mandate and label legitimate right-wing organizations, particularly with an anti-immigration position (e.g., Lou Dobbs), as hate groups. Dobbs called the ADL and SPLC as "absolute advocate groups for open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens" and said of the ADL, "They are a joke." ADL has targeted 'Turning Point USA' and other organizations like Steve Bannon's 'War Room'. The ADL even classifies being anti-'Antifa' as "white supremacist".
Absolutely. I'd bet anything. It is not difficult to go outside and ask people. I do it all the time (not about the ADL specifically, but on the broader scope of the Cabal and their methods of manipulation). People barely even know who the ADL is, much less that they are an agency of propaganda designed specifically to hide evidence. If you believe that 92% of America understands that, you are living in a fantasy world.
And I'd bet my house on it.
If it weren't already owned by the people who created the ADL
I know perfectly well who the ADL is, who created it, and why.
I also know that very few other people do. Including you if you think they are "anti-Christian." (Hint: they own all the Christian propaganda too. And of course they do. It's what they do! All one big happy controlled opposition family.)
I'm not privy to know who you associate with. Notwithstanding, in my survey with people it's pretty consistant that the ADL is overwhelmingly detested and are in favor of it being banned. Christians... real Christians know... They recognize it as a pro-Israel Zionist anti-Christian foreign lobby group. Lou Dobbs, Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon, Jim and Joe Hoff of The Gateway Pundit, Gen, Michael Flynn, Matt Staver of Liberty Counsel, Family Research Council (FRC), and even Trump knows. et. al. all know far too well the unchecked abusive power of the ADL. I'd argue the 'Q' group even recognizes it. And this is why in Q916, "We are saving Israel for last.".
u/#q916
What is terrifying is the FRC had been listed as an “anti-gay” group on the SPLC’s website since 2010. The FRC’s head complained in February 2014 that its presence on the SPLC’s “hate-watch” list inspired a terrorist attack against the organization. Floyd Corkins, the shooter, explicitly targeted the FRC in August 2012 and wanted to kill as many employees as possible precisely because the FRC had been listed as an “anti-gay” group on the SPLC’s website since 2010 … Both the SPLC and the ADL have a history of questionable claims relating to extremism. In a particularly recent example, the SPLC was forced to apologize after placing Ben Carson on an extremist watch list in early 2015, a move which generated serious public backlash.” "Despite its public portrayal of itself, the ADL isn’t a civil rights group in any meaningful sense, but rather, a veiled pro-Israel lobbying organization that uses superficial language of inclusiveness and anti-racism to defend Israel from criticism from the left." From this even the left recognizes what the ADL really is. If so, then why aren't they registered under FARA?
Even the Boston Review recognizes that," Under the guise of fighting hate speech, the ADL has a long history of wielding its moral authority to attack Arabs, blacks, and queers." ADL's history includes opposing the letter and spirit of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the California Constitution; it endorsed the pro-racial preferences Proposition 16 in California in November 2020 while that was opposed by 57% of Californians. There's another indication that most Americans oppose the ADL. The Anti-Defamation League has inserted itself into American politics in variety of ways over the decades primarily in the guise of a non-partisan, civil rights organization. Currently it has been allowed to have great influence nationally on bullying, diversity, equity and inclusivity issues in K-12 education systems in particular. ADL does not represent even the Jewish community as a whole and is regarded with distaste by a large segment of it. Oh and by the way, the "American Renaissance" writing this expose about the history of the ADL has set them in the "Hate group" category. Then, we have the following: "So Much for Free Speech: Twitter Shuts Down Generation Identity after Meeting with ADL’s Jonathan Greenblatt". Really? You can't make this sh&# up. It's that bad.
A meme that is supposedly a quote from Musk is interesting:
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I don't know if it was ADL members specifically, but certainly jews were behind the false narrative of "Judeo-Christian" blah blah.
Judaism and Christianity are two VERY different religions. The attempt to merge them is an infiltration of Christianity by jews.
That activity certainly IS anti-Christian, and if they "own all the Christian propaganda," it is not because they are pro-Christian. It is because they HATE Christianity, and are attempting to sabbotoge and destroy it from within.
Same thing they are doing to all White countries in the world with regard to genocide-by-replacement.
Jews have a long history of subversion of their host countries.
They have done it with religion, too.
Like you said, "it's what (((they))) do."
except the ADL works hand in glove with Google and Microsoft to warp reality by picking and choosing what their search engines produce
it's a conspiracy
💯 correct
Uber-based comment.
So what does a society/country do when there is a subversive element that is working to undermine the stability of the country and ultimately destroy the country using speech as one of it's strongest weapons? What do you do when that group invades academia and industry to brainwash generations of young people in order to meet those ends?
Do we just have the same fight forever because we believe in free speech? Or risk losing the way of life our forefathers fought and died for, free speech being part of it? There were groups of people we were kicked out of the original colonies because they were subversive and worked against what we were fighting for.
At some point you have to recognize enemy action and treat it as such. It cannot be a academic exercise forever.
Well-said.
Philosophical ideals are worthy of discussion and reflection.
But if there is something about them that does not work when applied to the facts and circumstancess of the real world, then there MUST necessarily be something lacking in those ideals.
Recognizing that there is an evil element that will attempt to use your pure ideals against you, and will continue to do so if left unchecked until your pure ideals lose in the end, is important in the overall understanding of what actions should be taken to best ensure that those pure ideals are successful in the real world.
Speech is not their strongest weapon. Their strongest weapon is the ability to control what people see and hear and believe. That is not accomplished by what they say (at least not primarily), it is accomplished by what people hear AKA censorship of opposing opinions; the creation of "opposing boxes" into which everyone gets placed. Censorship, overt and covert, and the "opposing boxes" and subsequent ad hominem/pro hominem are their strongest weapons. They are easily defeated once those weapons are seen and shut down.
If the weapons are shut down, people can be shown the truth in a way that they can see it. You do not defeat the enemy by silencing them, but by showing all the ways that they have silenced everyone else.
Notice I am using the word "show" and not "tell." You must show people the truth. That is done by evidence and debate, not by censorship. What we are seeing now is a showing of the methods of censorship. I think what the Q team has done is open the communication channels. I think speech is, at the moment, already mostly free. If it weren't, we wouldn't even know we were being censored, just like we haven't realized it for the past couple thousand years (but especially the past 150 years or so).
Truly free speech is the answer. When people can speak and show evidence against the lies, the liar hangs himself. With the open communication channels we have which gives us the ability to see the methods of censorship that have been employed and show the people the actual evidence of it, the Cabal hangs itself. That is The Plan, and that is what we are seeing all around us, every day in the broader population.
It will take time and likely a precipice to reach everyone (all but 4-6%), but that is, I believe, The Plan.
You continue to ignore your own contradiction.
If YOU are not able to use YOUR free speech as a counter to someone else's free speech because THEY have effectively shut off YOUR free speech (but not their own), then ... YOU LOSE.
It becomes a one-way street of you being censored while they can say whatever they want -- and even back up what want to say by putting YOU in prison for even attempting to challenge their free speech.
There are more than a dozen countries in this world that today WILL PUT YOU IN PRISON if you question the jewish narrative of the Holocaust. It makes no difference if you can prove any particular part false. The fact that you would even TRY to say it will land you in prison.
So, one side has free speech and the other does not.
Well, two can play that game.
If THEY want censorship, then censor THEM.
I have presented no contradiction. All of your replies to me in this thread (not counting the one on Christianity, which I largely (but not completely) agree with) rely on the premise that the Cabal retains control over the communication channels.
Please reread the response you are replying to.
I think there should be options to take down their posts when they claim someone is being anti-semitic/racist just because they recited some facts.
Absolutely. All ideas need to be put out there for debate, discussion and mockery, if necessary. Why would anyone want people like that to be able to go back into hiding?
Do we feel the same if ADL is AI? Because it’s entirely possible.
If you took a random selection of people, you would have a large percentage who has no idea who the ADL is. Furthermore, among those who have some idea, very few of them would have any idea why some people hate the ADL due to all the disgusting things they have done throughout their existence -- starting with being formed to provide legal assistance for someone who kidnapped, tortured, raped, and murdered a girl, and defended him ONLY because he was a jew.
A random selection of people have no idea who the ADL are, or what they are really all about.
This poll, OTOH, is most likely made up of people who do know. A poll of people who are educated on a particular subject is more valid that a poll of random know-nothings, IMO.
Generally speaking, nobody should swing their arms and punch you in the face. But if someone does it anyway, then you have every right to punch back, and punch back harder.
When the ADL is CONSTANTLY trying to censor and get people banned, then turnabout is fair play.
I stand for free speech. But as soon as a particular person or group of people make it clear that they want to push censorship, then they SHOULD become a target of censorship themselves.
We should all be made to live by the standards that we ourselves advocate.
If someone loots a store, then their home should be looted.
If someone randomly plays the knock-out game to unsuspecting and defenseless people, then they themselves should be routinely knocked out.
And if someone pushes for censorship, then they should be censored.
Your theory holds true in a perfect and rational world.
The only possible way to accomplish a perfect and rational world (or as close as we can come) is by allowing true debate to occur, and by learning how to listen.
Personally, I have a very hard time listening to arguments coming from the left. They follow "Rules for Radicals" to a T and it shuts down rational argument. Heck, I'm lucky if I can listen to anything from the left for more than 5 minutes max. How did Mark Twain say it? Never get into an argument with a fool; people will have a hard time telling the difference.