These Lahaina authorities have all said the bodies lost to the fire got "cremated" and "turned to dust". This is the same thing that the Chief police officer Pelletier said. This statement is so extraordinary for the following reason.
Carbon based fires such as those exemplified by grass, paper, wood, wood-framed homes and buildings do not reach the temperatures required to turn bone to dust. Not even close. Even in modern crematories temperatures do not reach this level. In crematorium businesses it is a well known fact the bones remain afterwards. An additional step is required to process the remaining bones. Crematoriums use a device called a 'cremulator' to crush the remaining bones into fine pieces. This machine uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender to pulverize the remaining bone.
The point here is that the bones are not destroyed in a cremation process or would they be in a carbon fire such as the one in Lahaina. Debunking Pelletier's statement is knowing that a carbon fire never reaches the high temperatures of incinerating human bones.
Notwithstanding, the Lahaina burned-out area is not characteristic of a carbon fire that I've ever seen. Everything there has been turned completely to ash. In a carbon fire, there would always be vast amounts of blackened wood within the burned area.. In all the pictures I've seen, there is no evidence of the black chars so characteristic of these carbon fires.
The symptoms do not necessarily provide the evidence though. That's just the point, we can deduce that some 'accelerant' had to be used, but we do not know what it was. In all the possibilities, many bags of thermite could have been somehow dumped for such an accelerant to create such an inferno as this. Basic thermite is composed of two very common ingredients; aluminum mixed with iron oxide dust. Bags of this could have been scattered in the wind. There's one major flaw to this theory though There's absolutely zero evidence this actually occurred. The same can be said of DEWS. There's no real definitive evidence. We are left with very strange fire.
I have no doubt, the DEW argument is real. I even asked whether the cell towers in Lahaina could have been weaponized for this to occur. However, this is also a hypothesis based on zero facts. The growing 'cover-up' is prima facie evidence that the general public can easily see. Focusing on this will eventually lead us to the 'how' argument though. It is said,'The cover-up becomes the bigger crime', and we have this benefit for the general public to see. With the Dr. Judy Wood example above, another web page viciously discredit's her by,
"One thing it does is demonstrate Dr. Wood’s refusal (after over a decade since the crime of 9/11) to even have an opinion on who perpetrated the crime – this in spite of the mountain of evidence unrelated to hers, which in fact points directly at 9/11 being ‘an inside job.’"
Even this critique asks the most important question, "Who" is responsible for the crime? The 'how' doesn't directly get us there and just like in the past, the enemy will use the 'conspiracy theory' narrative to discredit and derail the public's demand for 'who' is responsible.
a couple points
1 a burnt body is gonna be hard to id either way even if you have bones left dna is gonna be destroyed
2 wind blown fire burn way hotter forced induction is how a blacksmiths forge works
3 The reaction of the government here is more interesting than anything and with known instances of arson with candian and west coast forest fire i dont think its a stretch in hawaiis case
Did you read how crematoriums work and process the bones? Your #1 statement is something I didn't even address in my post. The reason for this is that it was not relevant to my point.
Bones do not turn to ashes in a carbon fire. A carbon fire does not reach a high enough temperature. Crematoriums are far more efficient and hotter than your #2 example.
"2 wind blown fire burn way hotter forced induction is how a blacksmiths forge works"
Even with a forge, which uses forced air, the temperature will not be high enough to turn bone to ash, but will make the bone harder.
I agree with you that there's much more to the story and a cover-up is definitely in the making.
its only 1500 degrees Fahrenheit to turn bone to ash crematoria dont do this because its cheaper to just burn of the flesh and meat the crush the bones and a blown furnace definately gets hotter than that
moreover you dont know the guy even meant the bones were ash you see traumatic shit you usually dont go into the greatest detail when someone you dont know just asks
It's sad that that you missed the entire point of my missive. I never disputed the "incineration" statements, per se. I'm only disputing it when it is characterized as an ordinary combustibles type fire. In other words, you missed that I was suggesting that the Lahaina conflagration was a different kind of fire that didn't at all follow the characteristics of an ordinary combustible type fire. It is possible that some artificial accelerant may have been used in order to get the resultant widespread complete burn seen in Lahaina. And as such, there are building and home structures in the midst of the conflagration that were left virtually untouched.
Lahaina experienced for the most part a 'CLASS A' type fire, which describes ordinary combustibles such as Wood (furniture, building, crafting or construction supplies, firewood), Paper (books, office supplies, magazines, newspapers, trash), Plastics, and even Rubber. All of these require fuel (something that will burn), heat (enough to make the fuel burn), air (oxygen), and the ensuing chemical reaction. This is called the 'fire tetrahedron', which dictates the temperature of a fire. The stages of an ordinary fire are never complete. Yet, the Lahaina fire is an impossible exception to this. What do I mean by this?
Natural carbon fires (ordinary combustibles) never burn completely all its fuel in any given spot. It ought to look like a widespread patch work of ruin consisting of buildings having blackened charred, partially burned, unburnt ordinary combustibles, with the ash. This is self-evident. Even in a controlled setting like a camp fire, there is always a distribution of blackened charred members to partially burnt members to ashes. Yet, in Lahaina we have very predominant ashes at all the sites of ruins. No standing structures of wooden beams. Everything is burnt to ashes. This suggests an artificial accelerant was involved for providing the excess oxygen. The wind is a poor factor for providing the constant level of excess oxygen for accomplishing this. Taking this in to consideration and the requirement for the speed of the winds to be present at all points of location and producing the same consistent level of extremely high temperature over such a wide area, it is simply not plausible to get a complete burn resultant burn to which ash is observable in such a wide area. A wind driven fire simply isn't capable of providing sustained excess oxygen to keep temperatures up constantly for turning all wood and human remains, including their bones, to ash. Let's look at the crematorium example again.
Most modern crematoriums requires about 2.5 hours to completely cremate the flesh on a single body. One completely cremated body requires 308 kWh, or 1.05MBtu of energy. For a visual perspective, this amounts to about 70 lbs. of coal. Now compare this with ordinary combustibles like wood, paper, and furniture. If we looked at natural gas, this would equate to 1.05 Mcf. An average home's basic natural gas needs for 4-days will use approximately 1Mcf of gas.
When a body is cremated, it is the skeletal remains that take the majority of time to break down and carbonize. The human skeleton is composed mostly of carbonates and calcium phosphates. These elements give bone its extraordinary strength and durability and allow it to survive the intense heat required for cremation when all other body tissues are destroyed. At approximately 1292 degrees Fahrenheit, calcium phosphates begin to fuse together and change in color and shape. The cremation process leaves behind bone fragments and require pulverization. Modern crematoriums use a pulverizing machine that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender and is called cremulator.
If anyone reviews the complete burn that took place throughout the 'burn area' of Lahaina, it defies explanation. Normal combustible fires do not burn like this. Not even a crematorium example explains what happened there. A forensic arborist called Robert Brame is interviewed and has examined over 38 aftermath fires, mostly in California, but has some very interesting things to say about the Lahaina Maui fire. Compliments to u/Merkava_4 for sharing this video with us.
These Lahaina authorities have all said the bodies lost to the fire got "cremated" and "turned to dust". This is the same thing that the Chief police officer Pelletier said. This statement is so extraordinary for the following reason.
Carbon based fires such as those exemplified by grass, paper, wood, wood-framed homes and buildings do not reach the temperatures required to turn bone to dust. Not even close. Even in modern crematories temperatures do not reach this level. In crematorium businesses it is a well known fact the bones remain afterwards. An additional step is required to process the remaining bones. Crematoriums use a device called a 'cremulator' to crush the remaining bones into fine pieces. This machine uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender to pulverize the remaining bone.
The point here is that the bones are not destroyed in a cremation process or would they be in a carbon fire such as the one in Lahaina. Debunking Pelletier's statement is knowing that a carbon fire never reaches the high temperatures of incinerating human bones.
Notwithstanding, the Lahaina burned-out area is not characteristic of a carbon fire that I've ever seen. Everything there has been turned completely to ash. In a carbon fire, there would always be vast amounts of blackened wood within the burned area.. In all the pictures I've seen, there is no evidence of the black chars so characteristic of these carbon fires.
Which lends credence to some type of DEW being used on these massive fires we've been seeing world wide.
The symptoms do not necessarily provide the evidence though. That's just the point, we can deduce that some 'accelerant' had to be used, but we do not know what it was. In all the possibilities, many bags of thermite could have been somehow dumped for such an accelerant to create such an inferno as this. Basic thermite is composed of two very common ingredients; aluminum mixed with iron oxide dust. Bags of this could have been scattered in the wind. There's one major flaw to this theory though There's absolutely zero evidence this actually occurred. The same can be said of DEWS. There's no real definitive evidence. We are left with very strange fire.
I have no doubt, the DEW argument is real. I even asked whether the cell towers in Lahaina could have been weaponized for this to occur. However, this is also a hypothesis based on zero facts. The growing 'cover-up' is prima facie evidence that the general public can easily see. Focusing on this will eventually lead us to the 'how' argument though. It is said,'The cover-up becomes the bigger crime', and we have this benefit for the general public to see. With the Dr. Judy Wood example above, another web page viciously discredit's her by,
Even this critique asks the most important question, "Who" is responsible for the crime? The 'how' doesn't directly get us there and just like in the past, the enemy will use the 'conspiracy theory' narrative to discredit and derail the public's demand for 'who' is responsible.
DEWs were not used on 9/11. DEWs aren't big enough for buildings that size.
Dr. Judy Wood said this and was attacked for claiming it. I never said DEWs were used in 9-11.
You also said, "DEWs aren't big enough for buildings that size." Can you provide sauce on this?
a couple points 1 a burnt body is gonna be hard to id either way even if you have bones left dna is gonna be destroyed 2 wind blown fire burn way hotter forced induction is how a blacksmiths forge works 3 The reaction of the government here is more interesting than anything and with known instances of arson with candian and west coast forest fire i dont think its a stretch in hawaiis case
Did you read how crematoriums work and process the bones? Your #1 statement is something I didn't even address in my post. The reason for this is that it was not relevant to my point.
Bones do not turn to ashes in a carbon fire. A carbon fire does not reach a high enough temperature. Crematoriums are far more efficient and hotter than your #2 example.
Even with a forge, which uses forced air, the temperature will not be high enough to turn bone to ash, but will make the bone harder.
I agree with you that there's much more to the story and a cover-up is definitely in the making.
its only 1500 degrees Fahrenheit to turn bone to ash crematoria dont do this because its cheaper to just burn of the flesh and meat the crush the bones and a blown furnace definately gets hotter than that
moreover you dont know the guy even meant the bones were ash you see traumatic shit you usually dont go into the greatest detail when someone you dont know just asks
It's sad that that you missed the entire point of my missive. I never disputed the "incineration" statements, per se. I'm only disputing it when it is characterized as an ordinary combustibles type fire. In other words, you missed that I was suggesting that the Lahaina conflagration was a different kind of fire that didn't at all follow the characteristics of an ordinary combustible type fire. It is possible that some artificial accelerant may have been used in order to get the resultant widespread complete burn seen in Lahaina. And as such, there are building and home structures in the midst of the conflagration that were left virtually untouched.
Lahaina experienced for the most part a 'CLASS A' type fire, which describes ordinary combustibles such as Wood (furniture, building, crafting or construction supplies, firewood), Paper (books, office supplies, magazines, newspapers, trash), Plastics, and even Rubber. All of these require fuel (something that will burn), heat (enough to make the fuel burn), air (oxygen), and the ensuing chemical reaction. This is called the 'fire tetrahedron', which dictates the temperature of a fire. The stages of an ordinary fire are never complete. Yet, the Lahaina fire is an impossible exception to this. What do I mean by this?
Natural carbon fires (ordinary combustibles) never burn completely all its fuel in any given spot. It ought to look like a widespread patch work of ruin consisting of buildings having blackened charred, partially burned, unburnt ordinary combustibles, with the ash. This is self-evident. Even in a controlled setting like a camp fire, there is always a distribution of blackened charred members to partially burnt members to ashes. Yet, in Lahaina we have very predominant ashes at all the sites of ruins. No standing structures of wooden beams. Everything is burnt to ashes. This suggests an artificial accelerant was involved for providing the excess oxygen. The wind is a poor factor for providing the constant level of excess oxygen for accomplishing this. Taking this in to consideration and the requirement for the speed of the winds to be present at all points of location and producing the same consistent level of extremely high temperature over such a wide area, it is simply not plausible to get a complete burn resultant burn to which ash is observable in such a wide area. A wind driven fire simply isn't capable of providing sustained excess oxygen to keep temperatures up constantly for turning all wood and human remains, including their bones, to ash. Let's look at the crematorium example again.
Most modern crematoriums requires about 2.5 hours to completely cremate the flesh on a single body. One completely cremated body requires 308 kWh, or 1.05MBtu of energy. For a visual perspective, this amounts to about 70 lbs. of coal. Now compare this with ordinary combustibles like wood, paper, and furniture. If we looked at natural gas, this would equate to 1.05 Mcf. An average home's basic natural gas needs for 4-days will use approximately 1Mcf of gas.
When a body is cremated, it is the skeletal remains that take the majority of time to break down and carbonize. The human skeleton is composed mostly of carbonates and calcium phosphates. These elements give bone its extraordinary strength and durability and allow it to survive the intense heat required for cremation when all other body tissues are destroyed. At approximately 1292 degrees Fahrenheit, calcium phosphates begin to fuse together and change in color and shape. The cremation process leaves behind bone fragments and require pulverization. Modern crematoriums use a pulverizing machine that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender and is called cremulator.
If anyone reviews the complete burn that took place throughout the 'burn area' of Lahaina, it defies explanation. Normal combustible fires do not burn like this. Not even a crematorium example explains what happened there. A forensic arborist called Robert Brame is interviewed and has examined over 38 aftermath fires, mostly in California, but has some very interesting things to say about the Lahaina Maui fire. Compliments to u/Merkava_4 for sharing this video with us.
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