Great speech by Tucker Carlson on abortion and courage: "If you're afraid of dying, you're doing it wrong"
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Do you not believe that there are pregnancies where the mother's life is in serious danger due to the pregnancy? Such as pre-eclampsia or a ruptured placenta that causes a hemorrhage?
It's easy to dismiss these cases until it affects you, personally. A person can believe they know what they will do in scenarios such as those, but until that time actually comes, it's impossible to know for certain what action they will take.
I live in a very conservative area of the country and most people I know are very pro-life. And some of my friends and family, who are very pro-life, and voted to ban abortions....eventually found themselves in situations where they chose to terminate their own pregnancy.
One case was a mother of 5 who developed pre-eclampsia and had three strokes before she and her husband decided to terminate.
Another was a 13-year-old who was attacked by a child predator.
The last was a pregnancy where the baby had severe physical problems and would not live very long after birth and would only know suffering.
I would hope that no matter what stance a person holds, they would still have empathy for others.
No abortion is needed to preserve the life of the mother. Delivery can always take place without a direct killing of the child. If the child is too young to survive, it will not be by direct abortion. You also don't kill a child directly if the doctors say it will suffer because they have been wrong on this point countless times. Even to the point of telling parents something is wrong with their child which often turns out to be utterly false. The conviction we live by HAS to be "do not kill innocent people" which means let GOD be the Author of life and death.
They said I and my brother would never be able to walk, she never told us. I was even a ballerina and we both danced any chance we got. She told us when we were in our 30's.
If you think there is no risk to the mother going into an abortion clinic and having her living, feeling child in the 2nd trimester torn apart limb from limb without anesthesia to the child (because that's how they do it at that stage) as compared with a C-Section delivery in a medical setting, then accompanying the child in its dying process, you are very mistaken. Perforation of the uterus in 2nd trimester abortions are very frequent. Also, hydroencephaly is NOT profoundly rare. People deliver their innocent babies with this condition all the time, and choose to hold their children until natural death. You said, "That wasn't a life anymore than a plant is a life." WOW You know what, human beings don't suddenly lose their humanity because of a handicap or a developmental defect. I can't even believe you wrote such a thing. But I guess, tell yourself what you want to, since it was a family member. But that doesn't make it right or accurate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysl1tRnk-ig
I'm sorry to hear about your family's tragic outcome. There are more cases like that than most people know.
The general population is largely ignorant of all the things that can go wrong in pregnancy unless they work in the field or have experienced it themselves, or know someone who has.
I aim to hopefully persuade people to become more educated on the things they have such strong opinions about.
I also hope to get people to look at things from various perspectives and to remember to have empathy for their fellow man.
Thank you for adding your experience to this post.
Are you familiar with ectopic pregnancies?
No, ectopic pregnancies are embryos and fetuses that get implanted outside the uterus. They are just as much a living being as embryos and fetuses inside the uterus.
There have been a few, very rare instances of ectopic pregnancies surviving full term.
With all due respect, you're rationalizing why abortion would be ok in this scenario.
I can be your bodyguard
Beg pardon?
Absolutely. That's apples to oranges, not a direct abortion at all.
So indirect abortions are ok?
One thing I've learned over the recent years is that most illnesses that doctors like to explain away with gentics this, genes that, and "it just happens" are actually caused by malnutrition. As in, it's preventable.
The other thing I learned is that people would rather die than question the word of modern doctors.
Really, you just happen to personally know 3 people with some of the rarest circumstances known to man
None of which necessitated an abortion for the life of the mother.
EXACTLY right... And Dr. Anthony Levatino, who also testified before Congress, agrees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysl1tRnk-ig
Pre-eclampsia is a serious risk to the.mother. Many women do die of it.
Please look up pre-eclampsia. It's one of the most common causes of maternal deaths. Around 70,000 die yearly due to it.
And 500,000 fetal deaths
Yes, I know quite a lot of people. I also work in healthcare.
Unfortunately, young girls getting impregnated by sexual predators is not that rare.
Neither is preeclampsia. But the condition the baby I mentioned had is extremely rare. Tay Sachs.
Well it doesnt count as "people you know" when you work in an abortion clinic and you just start rattling off reasons people came to you
I don't work in an abortion clinic. You assume much. And quite wrongly. I work in a free clinic in a very poor area in Mississippi. We do not provide abortions.
The Tay Sachs case was a cousin by marriage. The pre-eclampsia case was an old high school friend. The 13 year old was a patient at our clinic.
When you work in healthcare, your friends and family tend to come to you for free advice.
Just like accountants have friends and family ask for help during tax time. Or interior decorators are always asked what color to paint their walls.
It's just a reality that people who work in certain professions are constantly hit up for free advice from family and friends. Healthcare workers and lawyers are probably at the top of the list where they are constantly asked for free advice from friends and family.
Why would you assume I work in an abortion clinic when I clearly stated in one of my posts that I was against abortions?
Still not an excuse to murder the child.
Abortion is not just “terminating a pregnancy”. That white washed, clinical jargon is part of the problem.
If there is a situation whereby a baby has to be prematurely removed to save the mother’s life, then by all means do so as long as every attempt is made to also save the baby’s life. If those attempts fail, that is not murder.
What is murder is saying “the mom’s life might be in danger; time to chop up the baby’s limbs and suck its brain out with a syringe!”
And yes, that’s how abortions are actually done, and it is utterly barbaric. Future civilizations will think of abortion the same way we think of slavery and human sacrifice.
Ditto for incest and rape. Why butcher the baby for the sins of its parents? Since when has that ever been fair or just?
So you support abortions in certain situations?
No, I do not.
Attempting to save the life of both the child and the mother is neither an abortion nor murder, even if the child has to be prematurely removed from the mother.
That is why I said that abortion is more than just terminating a pregnancy. That deceptive use of language is how the Left disguises what abortion actually is. Abortion is murdering a child by chopping up their limbs and/or sucking the brain out through the back of the skull with a syringe.
Go watch some videos showing what abortions actually look like. You will rapidly find that there is nothing life-saving or "healthcare"-ish about them at all. It is a gruesome sacrifice laid on the altar of convenience and fornication. Moloch is alive and well to this day.
If that's what your definition of "not an abortion" is, I think you'd be surprised at how many liberals agree with you.
I'm aware of what abortions look like. I am pro-life.
My intention here is to hopefully compel people to remember to be empathetic, and acknowledge that sometimes we don't truly know how we will act in a situation until we are actually in that situation. Also, I hope to get people to be a bit more knowledgeable about things if they're going to speak on it with certainty.
I also like to speak of things philosophically. Such as your definition of abortion being through mechanical means. But what of medicinal abortions? Do you believe those to be abortions?
Sorry Al. This is the same dusty argument that abortion supporters have been saying forever. Americans don't need unlimited (up to the time of or even after birth in some states) access to abortions to address these health or moral issues.
I actually don't support abortion. I simply think empathy is needed for other people. I also see how often people change their mind on the matter when it happens to them.
I think what people need is all the information about what happens when a living baby is killed and removed from the women's womb. There are tremendous emotional, spiritual and sometimes physical ramifications from having an abortion that the woman will deal with for the rest of her life. Whether for the life of the mother or a rape situation those outcomes will still be there.
While we are certainly compassionate towards those suffering from a complicated pregnancy or rape, killing and removing the baby will leave the mother with side effects that will be profound. This is what's NOT being discussed anywhere.
It's especially tragic when the baby is planned, loved, and wanted, and yet it places the mother's life at risk.
I also wanted to ask, why do you specify Americans here? Are there countries where you would support abortions?
No. Absolutely not. It's just that I don't know about other countries. I do know how to the US medical industry, MSM et al obfuscate the reality of abortion.
I'm curious, how much does the US's access to good healthcare contribute to the stance someone holds on abortion?
Would opinions change if a person were pregnant, with serious medical issues during pregnancy, and living in a country with poor healthcare and no means of heroic measures being taken to save a high risk pregnancy?
How much does our healthcare system factor into our stances on abortion, considering so many of the pro-life arguments concern our ability to use advanced, routine healthcare to save high risk pregnancies?