Those guys nailed up Christ after all. And I saw a bit about how Christians didn't attack the empire directly, they just won the hearts of the people. It would make sense if we're in a rematch.
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If you want to get technical. They were just the tool. The Sanhedrin and Pharisees were the ones ultimately responsible.
As they had promised to stir up the people against the Roman Regime if they didn’t crucify Jesus. Because Jesus threatened their power. Which ultimately would have led to the deaths of Thousands both Roman and Jew alike.
Which is why the famous washing of hands of Pilate. A symbolic gesture indicating that his blood wasn’t on the hands of Pilate or the Garrison. They were just the tools wielded by the real culprits.
spot on Plebb!! the Romans did the nailing but the Pharisees did all the wailing. Jesus was a threat to the Pharisees, calling out all their lies and they couldn't have that.
Frankly. As long as he paid taxes and didn’t encourage rebellion against Rome. The Romans probably would have been content to leave him to preach.
As he at least in the eyes of the Empire. Was a religious preacher in a corner of the far frontier. Hardly a threat compared to their more conventional foes. Or the political intrigues of the Italian proper.
Pilate even was “Why the fuck did you bring him to me? He hasn’t broken Roman Law. Or done anything outside of offending your religious sensibilities.”
Then the Pharisees were like “If you don’t kill him. We will stir the people into rebellion.”
Suppose the real irony is the Romans were the decent people in this instance. Acting to prevent hundreds of thousands of needless deaths. Even if meant killing an innocent man.
Most Christian sources don’t really elaborate much on Pilates mindset. But I have to imagine condemning a Man you know has broken no law and harmed no one. To an excruciatingly slow fate normally reserved for Rebels, Bandits, Thieves and Murderers. Can’t have been an easy one.
Pontius Pilate simply washed his hands of the Jewish problem, (rather convenient). He knew the Jews were going to convict Jesus Christ, because the Jews had already convicted Jesus, but it was in a 'night court', and under Jewish law it would not allow 'night' time court. Jesus was tried 3 times in Roman courts and three times in Jewish courts (four if you count the night time conviction). Either way WE got our Savior as prophecy had foretold...Hallelujah, Jesus Christ is [Lord].....
Pilate was also not a big fan of his position or his constituents (the jews). He felt it was beneath him iirc and he found them quarrelsome and annoying and he regularly did things just to tick them off
This guy Catechisms
Why would letting Jesus live and threaten Pharisees, Sanhedrin power would that have lead to thousands of lives being lost? It's a curious statement, one I never heard before. So, just wondering if you could expand on it. Thanks.
Jesus was preaching he was the Messiah come. In the case of the Pharisees would have dramatically reduced the importance and power associated with their positions. Which were largely predicated on being the “Approved” conduit of dictating religious messages from on high.
In the case of the Sanhedrin. Why would the people care to bring their concerns and disputes before a group of Elders. When they had quite literally someone who was the Perfect Judge. This he would have greatly diminished if not outright destroyed their societal status and standing. Along with the power that would accompany it.
And it would have led to thousands, probably more like hundreds of thousands of Deaths. Simply from Armed Rebellion. Which the Pharisees threatened to incite if the Romans refused to kill Jesus. And the ensuing crackdowns by the Roman Legions.
Not to mention the 10s of Thousands of non-Jews and Roman Civilians in the province. Who wouldn’t easily be able to retreat into Fortresses like the Roman Garrisons and Auxiliaries. In the event of armed conflict. Leaving them easy pickings for Rebels and Bandits.
Very interesting. Again I've never really contemplated what would have happened to the social order if Jesus had been allowed to live. Thanks for the insight. The story seems to have profound indications for society today.
Will we allow our spirits to be crushed or do we rise up and live even though it could mean a disruption to the social order and lives could be lost.
They were afraid of a rebellion and Rome was not playing around given the history of problems with that area and the population.
Remember even the disciples were expecting a messiah that would remove the yoke of Rome- A new king. Not the suffering servant
Yes I suppose I forgot about all that political unrest going on at that time. Really so much like today when so many of us are waking up to our spiritual power, taking our country back and recognizing a true prophet and leader in DJT. I guess that's why we say "IT GONNA BE BIBLICAL!."
and Messiah delivered for real, Rome become Christian ... but not Jewis . Huh what a bummer...