Can you please read these pages (each of which addresses one of the quotes or ideas from the meme above) carefully with an open mind, then tell me what you think?
Interesting, will keep an open mind and look further. Question everything indeed. Thanks fren, I just want the truth (or as close as I can get to), so if the criticisms/accusations are incorrect or out of context, or if they are spot-on/close enough, then I can adjust accordingly.
It's a fake quote. It's supposedly from chapter 17 of "Jore Dia" (the real name of which is Yoreh Deah). However the real Yoreh Deah's chapter 17 not only doesn't include that quote but is about an entirely different subject (rules related to slaughtering animals).
Here's the full chapter:
Seif 1 When one slaughters a healthy animal and after slaughtering it does not make convulsive movements, it is permitted. However regarding an animal that is dangerously ill, i.e., one which cannot maintain itself when others cause it to stand it up, even if it eats the food of healthy animals. If such an animal is slaughtered and does not make any convulsive movements at all, it is a nevelah and one is liable for lashes [for partaking] of it. If it makes convulsive movements, it is permitted. The convulsive movements must be made at the end of the slaughter. If they are made at the beginning, they are of no consequence.What is meant by convulsive movements? For a small domesticated animal and for both a small and a large wild beast, the intent is that it extended its foreleg and returned it, extended its hind leg even though it did not return it, or merely bent its hind leg. This is considered a convulsive movement and [the animal] is permitted. If, however, it merely extended its foreleg and did not return it, it is forbidden. This movement is merely a result of the expiration of the soul. If it either extended its foreleg or its hind leg without bending it or bent its foreleg or hind leg without extending it, it is considered as a convulsive movement and it is permitted. If, however, it neither extended or bent its foreleg or its hind leg at all, it is considered as a nevelah.With regard to a fowl, even if it only blinked its eyelid or swatted its tail, it is considered a convulsive movement.
This page covers quotes two similar quotes that are on the meme (#4 and #5):
Is it your position that the Talmud has nothing about how to treat those who aren't them? I'm just wondering if you're saying that all the negative things reported about what's in the Talmud are just made up lies.
Is it your position that the Talmud has nothing about how to treat those who aren't them?
It does have various statements guidelines on how to treat non-Jews, some of which directly contradict one another (the Talmud is made up of the teachings of many Rabbis over many years, some of which disagreed - sometimes vehemently - with one another).
I'm just wondering if you're saying that all the negative things reported about what's in the Talmud are just made up lies.
Most if not all are either fake or taken out of context to twist the meaning.
And sometimes quotes from the Jerusalem Talmud (which is not seen as authoritative within Judaism) are misrepresented as being from the Babylonian Talmud (which is seen as the final, authoritative Talmud within Judaism). When people say "The Talmud", they are referring to the Babylonian Talmud.
For instance, the statement "Kill the best of Gentiles" by Rabbi Simeon ben Ioḥai (who had a grudge against Gentiles due to seeing his teacher flayed to death by Romans and having to hide from the Romans in a cave for 14 years) is genuine, but it's from the Jerusalem Talmud, not the Babylonian Talmud, and thus not considered authoritative within Judaism.
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Can you please read these pages (each of which addresses one of the quotes or ideas from the meme above) carefully with an open mind, then tell me what you think?
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/three.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/three.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/lie.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/man.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/man2.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/theft.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/wages.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/cheat.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/kill.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/short.html
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/gentiles.html
Interesting, will keep an open mind and look further. Question everything indeed. Thanks fren, I just want the truth (or as close as I can get to), so if the criticisms/accusations are incorrect or out of context, or if they are spot-on/close enough, then I can adjust accordingly.
Look to #12 above.
It's a fake quote. It's supposedly from chapter 17 of "Jore Dia" (the real name of which is Yoreh Deah). However the real Yoreh Deah's chapter 17 not only doesn't include that quote but is about an entirely different subject (rules related to slaughtering animals).
Here's the full chapter:
This page covers quotes two similar quotes that are on the meme (#4 and #5):
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/lie.html
My question to you, Rocketeer, is this...
Is it your position that the Talmud has nothing about how to treat those who aren't them? I'm just wondering if you're saying that all the negative things reported about what's in the Talmud are just made up lies.
It does have various statements guidelines on how to treat non-Jews, some of which directly contradict one another (the Talmud is made up of the teachings of many Rabbis over many years, some of which disagreed - sometimes vehemently - with one another).
Most if not all are either fake or taken out of context to twist the meaning.
And sometimes quotes from the Jerusalem Talmud (which is not seen as authoritative within Judaism) are misrepresented as being from the Babylonian Talmud (which is seen as the final, authoritative Talmud within Judaism). When people say "The Talmud", they are referring to the Babylonian Talmud.
For instance, the statement "Kill the best of Gentiles" by Rabbi Simeon ben Ioḥai (who had a grudge against Gentiles due to seeing his teacher flayed to death by Romans and having to hide from the Romans in a cave for 14 years) is genuine, but it's from the Jerusalem Talmud, not the Babylonian Talmud, and thus not considered authoritative within Judaism.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/718279/jewish/The-Two-Talmuds.htm