the word "Palestine" was put there by the Roman government while they ruled the region, based on their word for the Israelite enemy, Philistines. the Philistines were a seafaring invader and it's not clear where they came from originally, but 1. they were defeated by Israel and Egypt, and only ever had a few cities
2. the cities were few and far between, and never established a country called "philistia" or "palestine"
the arabs living in Gaza today have no claim to "the nation of palestine", because there never was one. and even tho they could potentially have petitioned for a state and gotten one, as the Jews did following the fall of the Ottoman empire, their commitment to war and terrorism has basically disqualified them from statehood. Nobody, jew or Arab, wants a Palestinian in their nation because they are completely hate-filled suicide bombers from birth. It isnt the "nation of Palestine" truly at issue, or any sympathetic neighboring country could just say, "come here and settle". but they dont. The palestinians hate the nation of Israel and want to see it wiped out. "from the river to the sea" means they will take out all the territory Israel has, in a sort of "manifest destiny". so even if Israel granted them more space, or if Egypt or Jordan or Syria took in the palestinians, they would use their newfound space and wealth to create more terrorist attacks and international incidents. nobody wants them. they have been raising their kids to attack Israel since the 1950s.
This is why I don't really take sides in this issue. Everything you say about the Palestineans is pretty much true about the Israelis. Israel is an apartheid terrorist state. They did 9/11 for peats sake. Maybe the Palestineans are a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths, but after the way they have been treated, how you would you act towards the people that threw you and your family out of your home and ancestral lands? I actually knew a Palestinean family who came to the US once they were forcibly removed from their home so a jewish family could live there. No one wants to talk about that though. God forbid!
except that israel bothered to get recognized by global treaty, and defended their claim via war in the 6 Days War. neither of those things have happened for the palestinian people. any overtures towards "wanting to be a state" are just lipstick over the ugly goal "wanting to be a state with the exact same boundaries as modern Israel, where Jews are wiped out".
there are like 50 muslim nations in the world and 1 jewish nation. so while I agree israel has misdeeds to answer for, their claim and the palestinian claim are not comparable. israel has a right to exist as a state
I am not arguing that. The west divided up the world on political lines after WWII. They created their globalist organization the United Nations and if these countries didn't register then they didn't exist. Prior to this countries existed by conquest and the rest of the world accepted it. This is how the Cherokee Nation became Georgia... I think it was the Cherokees. Does anyone argue that native american nations existed before white man came? They had their lands and fought over them and defended them. Their nations consisted of their people on loosely accepted borders. White man took that through conquest and not because we registered with the United Nations before the Indians did. The rest of the world accepted that America was a new nation.
well my point is Israel is both a registered nation AND took the land by conquest during the 6 days war. so by any laws you want, the land is theirs. and if you want to go by the whole "our forefathers were here" bit, so were Israel's. israel has as much right or more to exist and defend itself as any other nation.
the word "Palestine" was put there by the Roman government while they ruled the region, based on their word for the Israelite enemy, Philistines. the Philistines were a seafaring invader and it's not clear where they came from originally, but 1. they were defeated by Israel and Egypt, and only ever had a few cities 2. the cities were few and far between, and never established a country called "philistia" or "palestine"
the arabs living in Gaza today have no claim to "the nation of palestine", because there never was one. and even tho they could potentially have petitioned for a state and gotten one, as the Jews did following the fall of the Ottoman empire, their commitment to war and terrorism has basically disqualified them from statehood. Nobody, jew or Arab, wants a Palestinian in their nation because they are completely hate-filled suicide bombers from birth. It isnt the "nation of Palestine" truly at issue, or any sympathetic neighboring country could just say, "come here and settle". but they dont. The palestinians hate the nation of Israel and want to see it wiped out. "from the river to the sea" means they will take out all the territory Israel has, in a sort of "manifest destiny". so even if Israel granted them more space, or if Egypt or Jordan or Syria took in the palestinians, they would use their newfound space and wealth to create more terrorist attacks and international incidents. nobody wants them. they have been raising their kids to attack Israel since the 1950s.
This is why I don't really take sides in this issue. Everything you say about the Palestineans is pretty much true about the Israelis. Israel is an apartheid terrorist state. They did 9/11 for peats sake. Maybe the Palestineans are a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths, but after the way they have been treated, how you would you act towards the people that threw you and your family out of your home and ancestral lands? I actually knew a Palestinean family who came to the US once they were forcibly removed from their home so a jewish family could live there. No one wants to talk about that though. God forbid!
except that israel bothered to get recognized by global treaty, and defended their claim via war in the 6 Days War. neither of those things have happened for the palestinian people. any overtures towards "wanting to be a state" are just lipstick over the ugly goal "wanting to be a state with the exact same boundaries as modern Israel, where Jews are wiped out". there are like 50 muslim nations in the world and 1 jewish nation. so while I agree israel has misdeeds to answer for, their claim and the palestinian claim are not comparable. israel has a right to exist as a state
" israel has a right to exist as a state"
I am not arguing that. The west divided up the world on political lines after WWII. They created their globalist organization the United Nations and if these countries didn't register then they didn't exist. Prior to this countries existed by conquest and the rest of the world accepted it. This is how the Cherokee Nation became Georgia... I think it was the Cherokees. Does anyone argue that native american nations existed before white man came? They had their lands and fought over them and defended them. Their nations consisted of their people on loosely accepted borders. White man took that through conquest and not because we registered with the United Nations before the Indians did. The rest of the world accepted that America was a new nation.
well my point is Israel is both a registered nation AND took the land by conquest during the 6 days war. so by any laws you want, the land is theirs. and if you want to go by the whole "our forefathers were here" bit, so were Israel's. israel has as much right or more to exist and defend itself as any other nation.