2/4 - 'Media Matters' is a Soros-formed and funded Far Left, Pro-Jewish fake watchdog organization that is not happy that Elon is offering free speech for everyone. They don't like that Elon is allowing people to speak freely about the Israel-Hamas-Palestine conflict. They feel threatened. They want the speech to be only Pro-Israel and Pro-Jew. Anything else is a no-go.
1/4 - No. He is misrepresenting. Read the statement Elon made yourself. Don't fall for his spin. When you let others tell you what it means, you assume they are telling you the unbiased truth. In this case, the person you asked may be batting for the other team and may appear to present 'the facts' but omits important facts that count.
Thank you for your input. The original reason I was asking for assistance in figuring out what Elon was trying to do was due to my inability to fluently understand legalese. If it's in plain English, great, but when the legal language is tossed in I loose interest and understanding quickly. CallMeAI helped me understand what Elon is trying to resolve. He has a decent view and I appreciate his input, also. Now your viewpoint is very valid, allowing me to re-read Elon's letter and begin to understand what he's implying. Clarity is coming to my eyes, from different viewpoints and I'm enjoying it. Thanks again for chiming in. Hopefully a lot of people will read the replies to my question and they can have their understanding elevated, also.
Thanks for being fair in listening to viewpoints that aren't popular here.
I'm not some undercover agent for Media Matters or Soros or some such bullshit. I simply don't think Elon Musk is as great as many others here do, so I don't just jump to his defense no matter what stupid thing he does.
And threatening a lawsuit over this is stupid.
And since many of his fans have the memory spans of goldfish, they forget that he was making these same types of threats to sue the ADL for pretty much the same thing. They said bad things about the content on X, so companies started pulling their ads. This was back in September, and he has yet to file a lawsuit.
This kind of thing has been happening regularly since he bought Twitter. Some group will bring attention to the type of content on his site, and he has a hissy fit and threatens to sue them.
Here's where he was going to sue The Center For Countering Digital Hate back in July because they were documenting the rise in hate speech on Twitter. Spoiler alert, he never went through with the lawsuit.
This is not anything new. Musk has had a bad time with advertisers bailing on Twitter/X because of its content since he bought the company.
Here is the issue, without all the BS cluttering things up:
Musk wants to make Twitter/X a "completely free speech" site. So the company is not taking down many posts that are considered hate speech by the general population.
Since so many companies are on the woke side these days, they don't want to be associated with a business that doesn't stop hate speech posts on their site. So they pull their advertisements from Twitter/X.
Obviously, this greatly upsets Musk, because he's hemorrhaging money on Twitter/X.
So he's going after anyone who points out that the content on Twitter/X is increasing in what is considered hate speech. He threatens to sue them for billions of dollars and blah blah blah. Yet he has failed to follow through on any of those threats. He's simply trying to bully people into not criticizing Twitter/X and into not pulling their accounts from it.
The issue is that Musk wants to have his cake and eat it, too. He wants to be able to turn Twitter/X into a "completely free speech" space, where people can post whatever they want, even if it's considered hate speech. If you've ever been on sites like 8chan, you'll know what kind of material we're talking about.
So he wants to have a site where all that is allowed, AND he wants to keep making money from all his advertisers. But like I said, most companies are woke these days, and they don't want to be associated with sites that allow hate speech to flourish on their sites. So they don't want to do business with Twitter/X anymore. Which is 100% their right.
But Musk wants to intimidate advertisers into not leaving X, and he wants to intimidate anyone who calls attention to the hate speech on his site, which scares advertisers away.
And he simply can't have his cake and eat it too, in this woke climate. He can't force or bully or sue companies into advertising with him if they don't want to be associated with his business.
Now, people can argue about what is considered "hate speech" and argue about if it's hate speech to post anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-trans, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-whatever else content. And I'm sure plenty of people will try after this post.
But the simple fact is that a shit ton of people believe it is. And those people will threaten to boycott the products of people who work with X, and those companies, not wanting to lose money from such boycotts, will obviously choose to not advertise with X. And that makes Musk mad, because it costs him money.
So, there it is. That's really the heart of the matter. Without all the BS.
I would be absolutely shocked if Musk went through with his threat and filed whatever "nuclear" lawsuit or whatever "the second court opens" on Monday. I would be shocked if he ever filed this lawsuit. Just like I would be shocked if he ever followed through with any of the many lawsuits he's threatened in connection to him losing advertisers over his content.
Most likely, he'll just grouse about it for a while and then let it just fade from everyone's memories. And judging by what I see here, that might take as much as a week for them to forget all about it.
He'll continue championing a "completely free speech" site, and people will continue to post hate speech, and the woke public will get upset about it and threaten to boycott the advertisers on X, and the advertisers will ditch X because they don't want to lose their customers, and Musk will get upset that companies don't want to be associated with his site, and he'll blow up the next time some other group points out the rise in hate speech on his site, and he'll threaten to sue them to hell and back, and then we'll have more posts here about it, where people get all excited about taking down whoever is hurting Musk's feelings and maybe I'll be here to point out why that lawsuit won't work, and then I'll get called a shill and idiot or whatever it is I'm getting called here and then Musk won't follow through on that lawsuit, either, and everyone will forget about it, and we'll start the cycle all over again.
But maybe you, and others who don't feel the need to defend Musk over anything he does, will remember this conversation. And see it for what it is. A man who made a horrible business decision by dumping 44 Billion dollars into a failing business, and is hemorrhaging money from that business every day because of the very questionable decisions he makes, and continually tries to force companies to advertise with him because he NEEDS their money.
And maybe you'll even notice how Musk's "completely free speech" stance doesn't cover people who point out all the hate speech on his site. He certainly wants to shut them up.
Anyway, sorry for the epic run-on sentences, and the ridiculously long post here.
But again, thanks for being objective and willing to listen to something that doesn't conform to the groupthink going on here over this.
Sometimes people forget it's ok for others to have different opinions.
3/4 - So, they colluded to make contrived and falsified claims to influence the big name advertisers of Twitter/X to join Media Matters and ruin Twitter/X financially by cancelling all their advertising.
Elon saw through their manufactured scenario and isn't going to take it sitting down.
4/4 - A similar example is this fake scenario: You know the saying that you have more chance of being struck by lightning than you do of winning the lottery?
Well, you use that knowledge to spread the rumor that if you buy a lottery ticket from the only vendor in town that sells them, (A small business that is a competitor to you) that you will likely be struck by lightning.
Then you tell naïve town folk that a lightning strike happened near that convenience mart, and everyone in town is afraid to buy their lottery ticket from that vendor, for fear of getting struck. They just stop buying from that vendor all together.
That vendor now suffers a financial loss because selling lottery tickets was his bread and butter, and your competing convenience mart (that doesn't sell lottery tickets) gets more customers into your business instead.
Of course the lightning story was manufactured in order to harm the other guy and benefit yourself. It was disingenuous and insidious. It is analogous to what Media Matters does to those organizations that won't follow their orders.
No problem. There's a whole lot of stupid crap in what Musk put out in his complaint, but those are the main issues.
I think the one Musk is relying on to support him is when he says that Media Matters used some algorithm or something to make it look like those ads placed on pro-Nazi posts would come up in someone's feed more often than they really would. I don't really understand it.
But if you're a company that doesn't want to be associated with pro-Nazism, having just one ad show up next to pro-Nazi content is one too many.
Now, if Media Matters did something legitimately fraudulent or illegal, sure, go after them hard. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
It's not illegal for media watchdog groups to gather information or for them to inform companies of what they find and it's not illegal for companies to pull ads from something they don't want to be associated with their product. And that's what Musk is complaining about the loudest.
You make good points. Thanks for the education. I appreciate the time you took to write this up.
2/4 - 'Media Matters' is a Soros-formed and funded Far Left, Pro-Jewish fake watchdog organization that is not happy that Elon is offering free speech for everyone. They don't like that Elon is allowing people to speak freely about the Israel-Hamas-Palestine conflict. They feel threatened. They want the speech to be only Pro-Israel and Pro-Jew. Anything else is a no-go.
1/4 - No. He is misrepresenting. Read the statement Elon made yourself. Don't fall for his spin. When you let others tell you what it means, you assume they are telling you the unbiased truth. In this case, the person you asked may be batting for the other team and may appear to present 'the facts' but omits important facts that count.
Thank you for your input. The original reason I was asking for assistance in figuring out what Elon was trying to do was due to my inability to fluently understand legalese. If it's in plain English, great, but when the legal language is tossed in I loose interest and understanding quickly. CallMeAI helped me understand what Elon is trying to resolve. He has a decent view and I appreciate his input, also. Now your viewpoint is very valid, allowing me to re-read Elon's letter and begin to understand what he's implying. Clarity is coming to my eyes, from different viewpoints and I'm enjoying it. Thanks again for chiming in. Hopefully a lot of people will read the replies to my question and they can have their understanding elevated, also.
Thanks for being fair in listening to viewpoints that aren't popular here.
I'm not some undercover agent for Media Matters or Soros or some such bullshit. I simply don't think Elon Musk is as great as many others here do, so I don't just jump to his defense no matter what stupid thing he does.
And threatening a lawsuit over this is stupid.
And since many of his fans have the memory spans of goldfish, they forget that he was making these same types of threats to sue the ADL for pretty much the same thing. They said bad things about the content on X, so companies started pulling their ads. This was back in September, and he has yet to file a lawsuit.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/05/elon-musk-sue-adl-x-twitter
This kind of thing has been happening regularly since he bought Twitter. Some group will bring attention to the type of content on his site, and he has a hissy fit and threatens to sue them.
Here's where he was going to sue The Center For Countering Digital Hate back in July because they were documenting the rise in hate speech on Twitter. Spoiler alert, he never went through with the lawsuit.
https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-lawsuit-cchd-twitter-x-hate-speech-extremism-434a80631f9e76833ee30387c04dd290
This is not anything new. Musk has had a bad time with advertisers bailing on Twitter/X because of its content since he bought the company.
Here is the issue, without all the BS cluttering things up:
Musk wants to make Twitter/X a "completely free speech" site. So the company is not taking down many posts that are considered hate speech by the general population.
Since so many companies are on the woke side these days, they don't want to be associated with a business that doesn't stop hate speech posts on their site. So they pull their advertisements from Twitter/X.
Obviously, this greatly upsets Musk, because he's hemorrhaging money on Twitter/X.
So he's going after anyone who points out that the content on Twitter/X is increasing in what is considered hate speech. He threatens to sue them for billions of dollars and blah blah blah. Yet he has failed to follow through on any of those threats. He's simply trying to bully people into not criticizing Twitter/X and into not pulling their accounts from it.
The issue is that Musk wants to have his cake and eat it, too. He wants to be able to turn Twitter/X into a "completely free speech" space, where people can post whatever they want, even if it's considered hate speech. If you've ever been on sites like 8chan, you'll know what kind of material we're talking about.
So he wants to have a site where all that is allowed, AND he wants to keep making money from all his advertisers. But like I said, most companies are woke these days, and they don't want to be associated with sites that allow hate speech to flourish on their sites. So they don't want to do business with Twitter/X anymore. Which is 100% their right.
But Musk wants to intimidate advertisers into not leaving X, and he wants to intimidate anyone who calls attention to the hate speech on his site, which scares advertisers away.
And he simply can't have his cake and eat it too, in this woke climate. He can't force or bully or sue companies into advertising with him if they don't want to be associated with his business.
Now, people can argue about what is considered "hate speech" and argue about if it's hate speech to post anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-trans, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-whatever else content. And I'm sure plenty of people will try after this post.
But the simple fact is that a shit ton of people believe it is. And those people will threaten to boycott the products of people who work with X, and those companies, not wanting to lose money from such boycotts, will obviously choose to not advertise with X. And that makes Musk mad, because it costs him money.
So, there it is. That's really the heart of the matter. Without all the BS.
I would be absolutely shocked if Musk went through with his threat and filed whatever "nuclear" lawsuit or whatever "the second court opens" on Monday. I would be shocked if he ever filed this lawsuit. Just like I would be shocked if he ever followed through with any of the many lawsuits he's threatened in connection to him losing advertisers over his content.
Most likely, he'll just grouse about it for a while and then let it just fade from everyone's memories. And judging by what I see here, that might take as much as a week for them to forget all about it.
He'll continue championing a "completely free speech" site, and people will continue to post hate speech, and the woke public will get upset about it and threaten to boycott the advertisers on X, and the advertisers will ditch X because they don't want to lose their customers, and Musk will get upset that companies don't want to be associated with his site, and he'll blow up the next time some other group points out the rise in hate speech on his site, and he'll threaten to sue them to hell and back, and then we'll have more posts here about it, where people get all excited about taking down whoever is hurting Musk's feelings and maybe I'll be here to point out why that lawsuit won't work, and then I'll get called a shill and idiot or whatever it is I'm getting called here and then Musk won't follow through on that lawsuit, either, and everyone will forget about it, and we'll start the cycle all over again.
But maybe you, and others who don't feel the need to defend Musk over anything he does, will remember this conversation. And see it for what it is. A man who made a horrible business decision by dumping 44 Billion dollars into a failing business, and is hemorrhaging money from that business every day because of the very questionable decisions he makes, and continually tries to force companies to advertise with him because he NEEDS their money.
And maybe you'll even notice how Musk's "completely free speech" stance doesn't cover people who point out all the hate speech on his site. He certainly wants to shut them up.
Anyway, sorry for the epic run-on sentences, and the ridiculously long post here.
But again, thanks for being objective and willing to listen to something that doesn't conform to the groupthink going on here over this.
Sometimes people forget it's ok for others to have different opinions.
3/4 - So, they colluded to make contrived and falsified claims to influence the big name advertisers of Twitter/X to join Media Matters and ruin Twitter/X financially by cancelling all their advertising.
Elon saw through their manufactured scenario and isn't going to take it sitting down.
4/4 - A similar example is this fake scenario: You know the saying that you have more chance of being struck by lightning than you do of winning the lottery?
Well, you use that knowledge to spread the rumor that if you buy a lottery ticket from the only vendor in town that sells them, (A small business that is a competitor to you) that you will likely be struck by lightning.
Then you tell naïve town folk that a lightning strike happened near that convenience mart, and everyone in town is afraid to buy their lottery ticket from that vendor, for fear of getting struck. They just stop buying from that vendor all together.
That vendor now suffers a financial loss because selling lottery tickets was his bread and butter, and your competing convenience mart (that doesn't sell lottery tickets) gets more customers into your business instead.
Of course the lightning story was manufactured in order to harm the other guy and benefit yourself. It was disingenuous and insidious. It is analogous to what Media Matters does to those organizations that won't follow their orders.
No problem. There's a whole lot of stupid crap in what Musk put out in his complaint, but those are the main issues.
I think the one Musk is relying on to support him is when he says that Media Matters used some algorithm or something to make it look like those ads placed on pro-Nazi posts would come up in someone's feed more often than they really would. I don't really understand it.
But if you're a company that doesn't want to be associated with pro-Nazism, having just one ad show up next to pro-Nazi content is one too many.
Now, if Media Matters did something legitimately fraudulent or illegal, sure, go after them hard. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
It's not illegal for media watchdog groups to gather information or for them to inform companies of what they find and it's not illegal for companies to pull ads from something they don't want to be associated with their product. And that's what Musk is complaining about the loudest.