Just a minute. That's so reductive and simplistic.
Thinking that the FBI is a monolithic unified organization that perpetrates evil plans is very much like Arab hating the United States because "The United States created war in the Middle East".
Just as the USA is not a unified entity, but rather, has been subverted by distinct elements (aka the Deep State) that work to pervert the true purpose of the USA, We need to get away from blanket thinking that says "the FBI is behind this" as opposed to elements within the FBI potentially fostering or being connected to evil people with evil purposes.
If not, we become adherents of simplistic reasoning, and drift towards focusing our attention only on one surface layer of facts, instead of seeing more deeply and the complexities that riddle our society and world.
Is Germany evil because the German govt support and encouraged the Ukraine war, and if 'Germany' is evil, does this mean German people are evil? Is the US evil because elements within the US fostered and colluded with drug cartels from South America to destroy America and generate money for black ops? And if so, and the US is evil then are the American people evil?
DJT has on numerous occasions affirmed that there are many good people within the FBI, and the Q operation plus other information ("the seventh floor") reveals that as an organization, certain elements aka the top echelon were responsible for Operation Hurricane, for example.
Infiltration and subversion is the name of the game for the Cabal - as it was for communism during the Cold War. As such, we need to develop more nuanced perspectives that actually identify where the evil is, how it operates, and to also identify good, and where that operations. That's necessary to the work of exposing the truth and waking up society to the reality behind the scenes.
We cannot do that by adopting simplistic views that ignore the reality that good and evil are both active within many spheres of operation, including organizations, etc.
The full tweet was this" Karenga also founded the United Slaves Organization, a violent black nationalist organization with ties to the FBI."
The truth is also that ties can exist without a cause-effect, originator-instrument relationship being the case.
Maybe elements within the FBI fostered the USO, but what elements were they, and were they representative of the FBI?
Also, was the FBI 50 years ago the same as the FBI today?
Thinking that the FBI is a monolithic unified organization that perpetrates evil plans is very much like Arab hating the United States because "The United States created war in the Middle East".
I never said that, nor did I state that every single FBI agent is evil, which is what you seem to be implying I said.
It's the same as with any group of people (well, most); there are some good and some bad; hopefully more good than bad.
The good people of any group do bear some responsibility for allowing evil to happen / flourish in their organization.
What I actually said was that I believe that - as with virtually every single mass shooting over the past 20+ years - the FBI is 100% responsible for these acts.
I believe it is a relatively small group of evil people in the FBI who are behind stuff like this, but the problem is;
a) They are EXTREMELY sick & evil.
b) I believe the FBI has progressed to the point where evil people might very well significantly outnumber the good ones, or at the very least, the evil have effectively totally neutered the good people.
I know there are SOME good people in the FBI. That's not a question.
The problem is, I don't think anyone can honestly argue that the organization as a whole is good and serves its mission and the people of this country.
The REAL question is; why don't the good people do something about it?
Thanks for clarifying your thoughts on this. I guess I was implying that you are thinking of the FBI in those terms.
Personally, I find it hard to simply accept the idea that "the FBI" was behind the establishment of kwaanza almost 60 years ago by Maulana Karenga because he had 'ties to the FBI'.
I think that's a pretty big leap, myself. If there is clear evidence, or even a significant body of circumstantial evidence, I'd consider it.
You cite mass shootings over the past 20+ years. That's a significantly shorter time frame than 60 years. So, is the assertion that the FBI of 60 years ago was in the same state and condition and equally controlled by the same forces that it is today? That seems to be the implication of your statement.
But as I said, thanks for sharing your thoughts (and beliefs) about this. However, I find such remarks as "the FBI is 100% behind this" to be rather flippant, from where I sit. You may be right, but I'll happily play devil's avocado and question your reasoning!
I mean; my theory isn’t a hill to die on. It’s just not the first time that I heard it said that “white FBI Agents invented Kwanzaa” so apparently others have their own suspicions too.
As for the mass shootings; all of my comments regarding that & my suspicion that the FBI is behind them;
You have a point re: last 20/60 years.
I’ll bet the FBI is behind all of them, period. I said “the last 20 years” because I thought “mass shootings” - like Vegas, etc - were extremely rare over 20 years ago. They seem to have become a lot more common over the past ~20-30 years, concurrent with the drastic rise of the police & surveillance state, serious efforts at the state & federal level to drastically curtail gun ownership, known major targeting of certain conservative groups by major govt. agencies - IRS & Tea Party, etc.
The basis for my suspicion is; the alleged perpetrator of virtually every single mass shooting has had the following things said about them by the media;
They were “known to the FBI”
The FBI investigated them & “found no reason for concern / to follow up”
The FBI received MULTIPLE tips about the shooter, but - “oops” - dropped the ball & failed to follow up / follow thru.
Virtually every single one.
I could be wrong, but I just look at patterns & do not believe in coincidences…At all.
I appreciate the dialogue and certainly appreciate my views being questioned - it’s How we learn. :-)
We are all frens here, aren’t we??
It is incredibly sad & disgusting that I could even have thoughts like these - a serious suspicion / strong belief that a government agency routinely violently murders its citizens - but that’s the state of today’s world. That’s who we have come to learn lords over us.
I mean not unified in the sense that there are different factions vying for control, and conflicting national objectives. Unity is possible in diversity of thought, but not in diversity of purpose. The goals, objectives and purposes of the Deep State and their establishment proxies (democrats, establishment GOP, etc) are diametrically opposed to the objectives of DJT, Maga and the Great Awakening.
More importantly, imo, many actions undertaken by 'America' over the past 100 years would not be supported or agreed to by a large majority of Americans, if they knew the reality of who was doing what.
In terms of the governance system, the states are united and 'unified'. In terms of political direction and social cultural objectives, they are not unified in that same sense.
Just a minute. That's so reductive and simplistic.
Thinking that the FBI is a monolithic unified organization that perpetrates evil plans is very much like Arab hating the United States because "The United States created war in the Middle East".
Just as the USA is not a unified entity, but rather, has been subverted by distinct elements (aka the Deep State) that work to pervert the true purpose of the USA, We need to get away from blanket thinking that says "the FBI is behind this" as opposed to elements within the FBI potentially fostering or being connected to evil people with evil purposes.
If not, we become adherents of simplistic reasoning, and drift towards focusing our attention only on one surface layer of facts, instead of seeing more deeply and the complexities that riddle our society and world.
Is Germany evil because the German govt support and encouraged the Ukraine war, and if 'Germany' is evil, does this mean German people are evil? Is the US evil because elements within the US fostered and colluded with drug cartels from South America to destroy America and generate money for black ops? And if so, and the US is evil then are the American people evil?
DJT has on numerous occasions affirmed that there are many good people within the FBI, and the Q operation plus other information ("the seventh floor") reveals that as an organization, certain elements aka the top echelon were responsible for Operation Hurricane, for example.
Infiltration and subversion is the name of the game for the Cabal - as it was for communism during the Cold War. As such, we need to develop more nuanced perspectives that actually identify where the evil is, how it operates, and to also identify good, and where that operations. That's necessary to the work of exposing the truth and waking up society to the reality behind the scenes.
We cannot do that by adopting simplistic views that ignore the reality that good and evil are both active within many spheres of operation, including organizations, etc.
The full tweet was this" Karenga also founded the United Slaves Organization, a violent black nationalist organization with ties to the FBI."
The truth is also that ties can exist without a cause-effect, originator-instrument relationship being the case.
Maybe elements within the FBI fostered the USO, but what elements were they, and were they representative of the FBI?
Also, was the FBI 50 years ago the same as the FBI today?
Details are important.
Indeed they are:
I never said that, nor did I state that every single FBI agent is evil, which is what you seem to be implying I said.
It's the same as with any group of people (well, most); there are some good and some bad; hopefully more good than bad.
The good people of any group do bear some responsibility for allowing evil to happen / flourish in their organization.
What I actually said was that I believe that - as with virtually every single mass shooting over the past 20+ years - the FBI is 100% responsible for these acts.
I believe it is a relatively small group of evil people in the FBI who are behind stuff like this, but the problem is;
a) They are EXTREMELY sick & evil.
b) I believe the FBI has progressed to the point where evil people might very well significantly outnumber the good ones, or at the very least, the evil have effectively totally neutered the good people.
I know there are SOME good people in the FBI. That's not a question.
The problem is, I don't think anyone can honestly argue that the organization as a whole is good and serves its mission and the people of this country.
The REAL question is; why don't the good people do something about it?
Thanks for clarifying your thoughts on this. I guess I was implying that you are thinking of the FBI in those terms.
Personally, I find it hard to simply accept the idea that "the FBI" was behind the establishment of kwaanza almost 60 years ago by Maulana Karenga because he had 'ties to the FBI'.
I think that's a pretty big leap, myself. If there is clear evidence, or even a significant body of circumstantial evidence, I'd consider it.
You cite mass shootings over the past 20+ years. That's a significantly shorter time frame than 60 years. So, is the assertion that the FBI of 60 years ago was in the same state and condition and equally controlled by the same forces that it is today? That seems to be the implication of your statement.
But as I said, thanks for sharing your thoughts (and beliefs) about this. However, I find such remarks as "the FBI is 100% behind this" to be rather flippant, from where I sit. You may be right, but I'll happily play devil's avocado and question your reasoning!
I mean; my theory isn’t a hill to die on. It’s just not the first time that I heard it said that “white FBI Agents invented Kwanzaa” so apparently others have their own suspicions too.
As for the mass shootings; all of my comments regarding that & my suspicion that the FBI is behind them;
The basis for my suspicion is; the alleged perpetrator of virtually every single mass shooting has had the following things said about them by the media;
Virtually every single one.
I could be wrong, but I just look at patterns & do not believe in coincidences…At all.
I appreciate the dialogue and certainly appreciate my views being questioned - it’s How we learn. :-)
We are all frens here, aren’t we??
It is incredibly sad & disgusting that I could even have thoughts like these - a serious suspicion / strong belief that a government agency routinely violently murders its citizens - but that’s the state of today’s world. That’s who we have come to learn lords over us.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.
Discussion is good when we engage with an open mind and willingness to question ourselves and our own hypotheses, etc.
Thanks again.
uh, was that the What States of America
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I mean not unified in the sense that there are different factions vying for control, and conflicting national objectives. Unity is possible in diversity of thought, but not in diversity of purpose. The goals, objectives and purposes of the Deep State and their establishment proxies (democrats, establishment GOP, etc) are diametrically opposed to the objectives of DJT, Maga and the Great Awakening.
More importantly, imo, many actions undertaken by 'America' over the past 100 years would not be supported or agreed to by a large majority of Americans, if they knew the reality of who was doing what.
In terms of the governance system, the states are united and 'unified'. In terms of political direction and social cultural objectives, they are not unified in that same sense.