The Greatest Reset: Beast Rising BIBLICAL (I searched GAW and did not find this so I'm posting)
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While it's true that there are numerous ancient texts beyond the 66 books of the Bible, the process of canonization involved careful consideration and theological scrutiny. The decision to include certain books and exclude others was not solely driven by a desire for power and control. Early Christian communities sought to preserve teachings consistent with apostolic tradition and the message of Jesus.
The process of canonization aimed at preserving the core tenets of Christianity based on theological criteria. While individual connection to the Creator and the Holy Spirit is emphasized in Christian spirituality, the organized church plays a role in providing communal worship, fellowship, and guidance. The removal of certain texts was often due to concerns about their theological consistency with established doctrines. However, the belief in a personal connection to the divine doesn't negate the importance of communal aspects within Christianity. The exclusion of specific texts does not inherently invalidate the profound individual connection to God that many believers experience.
I did not post anything wanting to argue over it. You do what you believe. I don't need any other books!
By the leaders of specific groups.
It's important to appreciate exactly who was doing the consideration and exactly which "theological scrutiny" was involved. There were a lot of theologies in competition at the time.
The first thing to appreciate, that almost no one does, is that everyone involved of note was from the upper crust of society (call it "top one percent"(ish)). All of the Christian leaders who are quoted were all born into wealth and community power. This is a recurring theme in history, and one that is almost never considered. Information, schooling, etc., were not available to most people. They never have been. You had to born to the right class to have a voice at all. This is how it was in the Jewish community, and how it was in the Roman Empire. The plebeians were just that; ignorant and voiceless. They were controlled by the ruling class who had access to writings, had the training in how to read, and had the time to do so, all of which means wealth, station, and some level of power. The same is true of the leaders of the Christian community.
Prove it. It is easy to show that everyone involved was born to the people who already had at least some level of power and control in the community. For those that have power, one of the common motivating factors for action taken is to keep power (or more likely, increase it). There is plenty of evidence that the motivations were to keep power in what actually happened after the fact (see the Constantine Church). Why assume that what resulted wasn't also a part of the motivation?
FTFY.
There were a metric fuckton of people (according to evidence) that were not in the Pauline camp. They were all killed, or silenced, or their books burned; called "heretics" or "gnostics" or whatever. This is the reality of how the "teachings were made consistent with tradition". The tradition was forced, by bloodshed, ad hominem, and propaganda from those who had power in the community.
FTFY
Perhaps this is because you cannot be disconnected from Source. It is impossible. You can only be convinced to ignore the connection (or misconstrue what it means). Just because I think there was fuckery in the "Christianity" we got doesn't mean there is no truth in there. The best lies are built on the Truth. It is made a lie not by stating non-truths, but by leaving important things out,. and giving a narrative overlay that matches with your design.
That is how the news is run today (on both sides). There is plenty of evidence that suggests that is how the world has always been run. Why assume it was any different then when the results were exactly the same in the case of the development of Christianity (consolidation of power through control of beliefs).
We actually have a significant number of ancient manuscripts dating back to various time periods.
These manuscripts, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Codex Sinaiticus, and the Codex Vaticanus, provide us with a wealth of textual evidence for the New Testament.
The sheer quantity and diversity of these manuscripts make it impossible for any group to confiscate and change all of them without leaving any trace.
Moreover, the early church fathers, such as Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, and Origen, wrote extensive commentaries and references to the biblical texts.
These writings, along with the translations of the Bible into various languages, further validate the accuracy and consistency of the biblical text throughout history.
Additionally, the process of textual criticism, which involves comparing and analyzing different manuscript copies to establish the original text, ensures that any discrepancies or errors can be identified and corrected.
Scholars have dedicated their lives to studying these manuscripts and have developed rigorous methods to ensure the accuracy and reliability of the biblical text we have today.
Considering the vast number of manuscripts and the widespread dissemination of the Bible, it is highly unlikely that any group could successfully manipulate or confiscate all copies and commentaries without detection.
The evidence we have at our disposal affirms the integrity and preservation of the biblical text throughout history, enabling us to have confidence in the accuracy of the Bible we possess today.
Therefore, when considering the logical and historical evidence, it is reasonable to conclude that the claim of a group confiscating and altering all biblical manuscripts and early church commentaries is simply not possible.
The availability of ancient manuscripts and the extensive writings of the early church fathers provide strong support for the authenticity and reliability of the Bible as we know it.
Thank you friend for defending the true word of God. Anyone that talks about the nature of mankind being the primary determinate of what went into the bible and what was left out, in my view, seem to minimize one important factor, the God Inspired part.
God inspired does not mean that God said, "I want you to put this in, and leave that out", necessarily. I could mean that over a period of time he shaped mans character, including their flaws, such that decisions would be made, even self-serving decisions, that ultimately resulted is his will be accomplished. A God that can form the universe in all it's wonder and complexity can certainly write, and direct the play of man to end the final act exactly where he intends it to end.
Amen!
The God of all creation can draw a straight line with a crooked stick.
He can also preserve His message throughout the millenniums, which is precisely what He did.
Scholarship is controlled. Our modern day version (worldwide) was created and controlled by Rockefeller. Everything since the late 19th century has had to pass that filter. It is controlled by methods of funding. But much more important, it is controlled by methods of publishing. When you start investigating how things get published, you come to realize that all publishers have been controlled for forever. No one has a voice unless the PTB wish it. Thus all commentary that makes it "mainstream" in every stream (secular, Christian, Islam, Jewish, science, history, etc., etc.) must make it past the gatekeepers. Investigation further proves that there is only one gatekeeper, and there always has been.
You laud the similarities of the various ancient texts, but ignore the differences. If you watch the video I linked above, it talks about how the Johannine Comma was inserted through force, and was not in the original Greek texts. Other than those few verses (John 5:7-8), the entire concept of the Trinity has extremely weak support within the book we have. It does have support in Mithraism (the religion of Constantine and many other notable people of the period and region), but is completely absent in the teachings of Jesus. Without that verse, which substantial evidence suggests was inserted after the fact, it wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. Indeed, it wasn’t even a part of the doctrine until 383 AD. So yes, it was very much a “gradual” thing. I agree completely. Just because I name explicitly the 325AD event as momentous doesn’t mean I think there was nothing else that went on. What’s important is looking at the connections between events. When you look at the connections, and what was purposefully left out and/or silenced, the “organicness” of it comes into question.
Many of the books found in the NH had zero surviving copies (not counting previously displaced fragments) until they were dug up and dated to the fourth century, exactly the time when it became illegal, under penalty of death, to have such beliefs. Why is that? What happened to all the copies of say, the gospel of Mary, or Thomas, etc.. Were they all burned by the winning group who made all the rules? It's unlikely they were destroyed by the adherents. This lack of any other copies is very important evidence that is not included in the “scholarship” that is espoused by Christian apologists.
All of your arguments assume no fuckery in scholarship. On the contrary, there is nothing but evidence of control of scholarship. If the PTB want something to make it big, it gets promoted. If they don't, it gets silenced. Some things are just "obscure." Some things are lost for millennia (the DSS/NH). Some things are gone forever. We piece together history by looking at what evidence is available. We revise history based on what we want to be there. We ignore pieces of evidence as "irrelevant" if it doesn't make it to "consensus." We don't think to ask, "can consensus be created?" "Who said it wasn't relevant?"
If the scholarship agrees with our beliefs, we say, "look, everyone agrees." If it doesn't we generally ignore it. If we happen to dig deeper we find substantial evidence that the scholarship seems to have not addressed certain peices of evidence. Rather they too have relied on previous scholarship to have "figured it out." We trust in previous scholarship, assuming that it can't possibly have been controlled, even though all scholarship is controlled today.
When looking at history, there are a ton of very interesting bits that come up once you leave the mainstream. Have you investigated the Empire of Tartary for example? It is quite fascinating. As it turns out, it seems there was a concerted effort to remove Tartary from history.
As a place to begin that investigation, see Walter Kolartz, Russian and Her Colonies.,1952 (starts on page 31) where he writes about how the USSR finally eliminated all Tartarian culture and history through their alphabet revolutions.
For a specific statement on page 32 he says:
It elaborates how the history of the Tartars was subsequently destroyed by burning all the Tartarian books, through the forced changing of the alphabet, and through forced “reeducation,” making any books that may have survived the purge unreadable by new generations.
From that point on, the Tartarians were wiped out of history, and thus their connection to the Scythians. There's more to it than that, because there is a lot of effort to ensure they remain disconnected and a "conspiracy theory," but it's a good start of the story.
The connection between the Scythians and the Tartarians is ubiquitous in history all the way up until the early 20th century. Looking at absolutely any historian prior to about 1850 or so, if you look up “Tartary” it says, “The Tartarians are the Scythians.”
For example, the 1773 Encyclopedia Britannica:
Petes, History of Ghengizcan the Great, 1722, page 15 (and many other places in the book):
Sir Walter Raleigh, History of the World, ~1560 (page 247):
Denis Petau, The History of the World, or, An Account of Time, 1659 (page 760):
There are numerous other references, both within the books here presented, and other books, that show that all the way up until the 20th century, everyone considered “Tartary” to be an Empire, a continuation of the Scythian Empire. Importantly the Scythians/Tartarians were multi-ethnic, as were all Empires of large enough size (such as Rome, which was a fraction of the size of the Empire of Scythia/Tartary). It is the multi-ethnic quality, which has been noted by pretty much every historian for three millennia that allows them to remain hidden today.
The Royal Scythians were the Ruling Aristocracy of the Scythians. Their form of government was very much a “Game of Thrones” type of thing, with various tribes (all the leaders of the tribes/Khanates were related, part of the same family, just like today) paying tribute to whoever was the biggest and strongest at the time. Every once in a while, a single “Khan of Khans” would arise, uniting all the various Khanates, and would go border expanding, getting large areas under their control. A couple examples of this border expansion (getting more Tributes) that you have probably heard of were Genghis Khan, and Attila the Hun, though there were several more. Of note, I think the “Bronze Age Collapse” (around 1200BC) was exactly such a Scythian border expansion event as well. There is a fair bit of evidence that supports that, but no one can make that connection, because the Scythians have been completely disconnected, and the Tartarians completely erased.
These Royal Scythians had blonde or red hair, and blue or green eyes. Not all Scythians/Tartarians had those phenotypes, but the Ruling Class did. You can track the Scythians through history, the same people doing the same thing in the same way in the same area of the world, by following these phenotypes in the Aristocratic leadership class (mummies in royal burial mounds, genetic samples, ancient writing, etc.), For example, history separates out the “Gokturks” as such a “not Scythians” group even though they were exactly that; the exact same people doing the exact same thing in the same way in the same area as the Scythians they "replaced" (according to official history) with an aristocratic leadership class with blond/red hair, and blue/green eyes. The term “Aryan” means “Iranian.” Iran was originally under the control of the Scythians (later called Parthia, which was just a Scythian Khanate, and eventually called Iran). The term Aryan comes from the Royal Scythians, the Nordic phenotype group that ruled the Iranian region way back in the day.
In other words, the Royal Scythians were the Aryan Race. I think that is why they have been removed from history. Not because they wanted to hide them out of loathing or contempt, but because the current leadership class of the world doesn’t want people to know their own heritage. That is speculative, but it fits all the evidence.
I have written up hundreds of pages on this and will publish it at some point. I use this instead of doing the same by questioning “biblical scholarship” because I think it is an easier sell. You don’t have any particular beliefs (presumably) tied to the Tartarians/Scythians. Odds are you’ve never even heard of them, or if you have, thought it was just a “crazy conspiracy theory” or “irrelevant ancient history.” As it turns out it is a conspiracy theory. There is evidence of all sorts of injections in the the “history of Tartary” by nefarious groups (likely the CIA), adding in things like “free energy” and “giants”, etc. specifically to keep people from looking at the actual historical evidence.
This is how the world works. This is how scholarship is controlled. We base our “truth” on scholarship. We love things that agree with our beliefs, and we ignore, or “force into compliance” those things that don’t. We don’t really dig in, allowing for any possibility to be true.
I personally don’t have any horse in this race. I don’t care what the truth is. I only care that I allow myself to look at all of the evidence in earnest. In the case of Christianity, I’ve been studying it for decades. First as a theologians son and adherent, then as a questioner (reforming my belief systems), then as a curious scholar (what does everyone else have to say), then, finally and only recently, as a person who has had a Black Swan event that was forced to look at the evidence without assumption of any truth, nor belief that what I’ve found that has been hidden is the truth, nor any need for any particular thing to fit “my truth,” because I don’t have one.
I suggest unless you can let go of a need for evidence to fit your beliefs, you can never be a true investigator. That’ doesn’t mean you need to forgo all biases. I suggest that is impossible. But if you can’t entertain that you may not already know the truth, you can’t possible see, or genuinely consider evidence to the contrary.
A lot to unpack here but I’ll address each assertion you make:
Johannine Comma: This refers to a disputed passage in 1 John 5:7-8 regarding the Trinity. While some manuscripts include this passage, many critical editions, including modern translations, omit it due to limited manuscript support. However, the absence of this specific passage doesn't negate the broader concept of the Trinity, which is supported by various other verses in the New Testament (e.g., Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
Support for the Trinity: While the term "Trinity" isn't explicitly used in the Bible, the concept is reflected in verses portraying Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit as distinct yet unified (e.g., John 14:16-17, 26; Matthew 28:19). Early Christian writers, such as Ignatius of Antioch and Justin Martyr, also alluded to this triune understanding.
Mithraism Influence: The assertion that the Trinity concept derives from Mithraism is debated among scholars (I know this statement will trigger you). While Mithraism and Christianity existed concurrently, drawing direct lines of influence is challenging. The development of Christian doctrine involves complex theological discussions and debates within the early Christian community.
Council of Constantinople (381 AD): The explicit declaration of the Nicene Creed, including the affirmation of the Trinity, took place during the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD. This event solidified and clarified theological language but doesn't imply a sudden introduction of the concept. The discussions on Christ's divinity and the nature of God had been ongoing since earlier councils.
While specific verses or terms may not be universally present, the theological groundwork for the Trinity is discernible in various parts of the New Testament and evolved through early Christian theological deliberations. The intricacies of these developments require nuanced exploration within their historical and theological contexts.
Your bringing up of Tartaria (of which I am familiar) is simply a red herring. However, I’d like to address some of your other points you make about the Trinity, but thought I should first address a presupposition you appear to bring to every conversation regarding the topics we are discussing:
There is a curious irony the lies veiled behind your main claims. The irony lies in the paradox of claiming all sources are controlled while simultaneously asserting a privileged perspective that transcends this control.
Criticizing scholars as controlled by certain entities implies a supposed immunity to such influence, creating a self-defeating loop where one claims authority while denouncing authority.
It's crucial to engage in constructive dialogue, recognizing the complexities of information dissemination, rather than dismissing entire fields based on assumptions of control.
I’ll respond to your other assertions later…
Let's delve deeper into the concept of the Trinity in the New Testament and explore additional verses:
Matthew 28:19 (The Great Commission):
John 14:16-17:
2 Corinthians 13:14:
John 1:1-14 (Prologue of John's Gospel):
Colossians 2:9:
John 10:30:
These verses collectively contribute to the New Testament's presentation of a triune Godhead, where the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit exist in a relational unity. While the term "Trinity" is not explicitly used, the theological implications of these passages formed the foundation for later doctrinal developments and the articulation of the Trinity in Christian creeds.
Here are additional verses that highlight the personal nature of the Holy Spirit:
Grieving the Holy Spirit:
Teaching and Reminding Role of the Holy Spirit:
Intercession by the Holy Spirit:
Sending by the Father in the Name of Jesus:
These verses provide additional insights into the personal attributes and roles of the Holy Spirit, portraying the Spirit not merely as an impersonal force but as a distinct person within the Triune Godhead.
The New Testament, through a collection of verses and teachings, lays a foundational framework for the modern understanding of the Trinity. While the specific term "Trinity" may not be explicitly mentioned, the concept emerges from the combined testimony of the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit as distinct persons within the Godhead.
Numerous passages portray Jesus as both divine and in a unique relationship with the Father. Moreover, the Holy Spirit is presented as a personal presence, involved in teaching, guiding, and interceding for believers.
The relational dynamics among the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, along with the shared divine attributes ascribed to each, form the biblical basis for the doctrine of the Trinity, affirming the interconnectedness of these three distinct persons in one Godhead.
Furthermore, concept of the Trinity, as reflected in the New Testament, didn't suddenly emerge at a specific council but evolved within the early Christian community.
The councils, such as the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, played a role in codifying this existing doctrine rather than inventing it.
From the beginning, the biblical texts presented the Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit as distinct persons sharing a divine essence. The councils aimed to articulate and safeguard this foundational Christian belief against theological controversies, confirming and clarifying what had been part of Christian understanding since the earliest days.
While it’s true that Christianity, at times, intersected with influential figures, we mustn’t overlook its foundational years.
In the face of intense persecution, Christians flourished, often at great personal cost. The growth of Christianity wasn’t solely a product of those in power; rather, it often thrived against opposition, showcasing its resilience and appeal beyond political structures.
Early believers faced challenges, not only from external forces but also internal debates that shaped the diverse landscape of early Christian thought.
The early church fathers extensively quoted the biblical text in their writings, providing valuable insights into the state of the New Testament during their time.
While the exact number of quotations varies (some scholars report over 30,000 quotations), it is true that a substantial portion of the New Testament can be reconstructed from their quotes (minus roughly 11 verses).
These extensive quotations from the early church fathers provide a robust foundation for reconstructing the New Testament's content, doctrines, and teachings. It's a testament to the widespread dissemination and acceptance of these writings in the early Christian community. Even if I grant you the assertion (which I won’t) that the original manuscripts were lost, changed or edited, these quotations would serve as a substantial basis for understanding the core tenets of the Christian faith as transmitted by the apostles and disciples.
The consistency across these quotes reinforces the reliability of the biblical text.
Several early Christian influencers and teachers emerged from non-privileged backgrounds, embodying the diverse nature of the movement:
Peter: A fisherman by trade, Peter became a prominent disciple of Jesus and a key figure in the early Christian community.
Paul: Though educated, Paul's background as a tentmaker and his initial opposition to Christianity before his conversion offer a different perspective.
Lydia of Thyatira: A businesswoman, Lydia was a seller of purple goods and one of the first European converts to Christianity.
Priscilla and Aquila: A married couple, Priscilla and Aquila were tentmakers like Paul and played a significant role in early Christian missionary efforts.
Phoebe: Described as a deacon in the early Christian community, Phoebe was likely involved in various forms of ministry.
These examples illustrate the diverse social and economic backgrounds of early Christian influencers, demonstrating that the movement was not exclusively led by those from privileged classes.
Slyver, you’re smart enough to know that the Church was around long before Constantine arrived on the scene.
As far as “proving it” goes, you’re the one making the positive claim that the Bible has been changed beyond recognition and trustworthiness. Therefore, the burden proof rests squarely upon your shoulders to provide evidence of such a claim. Give us some reputable, primary source references that we can all go to check your claims.
Yet you provide or quote NONE. Just fanciful assertions under the guise of “knowledge;” Gnostic knowledge at that. Let the reader beware, this type of reasoning is what will be used to persecute those who do not conform to the New Age/Golden Age (Beast) system.