Holy Trojan Horse, Batman!
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Interesting, the recent arguments against government-funded school choice. Before now, I hadn't really thought about it.
Check out education on Agenda47……
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/agenda47-president-trumps-ten-principles-for-great-schools-leading-to-great-jobs
Much rather see something like, "We will be respecting the 10th Amendment and be closing down the Department of Education. We will stop using federal dollars as unconstitutional carrots to dangle before the states to ensure compliance with swampy mandates."
He says at 3:17 that he'll close the Dept of Education in DC.
Not sure why you hate this, as its clearly a step in the right direction and much better than the current debacle. I see your memes as simply bashing the good because it's not perfect.
Power to the parents seems like a good interim step to leverage the existing educational infrastructure and redirect it constructively, without the chaos of an abandon-destroy-rebuild scenario.
The "power" to the parents you speak of is granted to them through the government. The concern many of us have is that the government will (as it always does) exert control over what it is funding. As of now my homeschool is flying under the radar and that's where I want it to stay. But as more homeschoolers and private schoolers accept government funds, homeschool will get dumped into the definition of private schools (we have already fought this fight in my state). If homeschooling is to remain free from government control, then it must remain free from government funding.
I agree with your statement that government funding leads to government control. Public schools are a testament to this. But school choice, as expressed in Trump's Agenda 47, is a move to transfer control of existing schools away from government in favor of families. As things stand today, how is that a bad move?
I see this as a smart move to get away from where we are today, destroying the influence of teachers' unions and education system bureaucrats. You don't need to agree, but I think you're demonizing a good solution because you want a perfect one instead.
In fact, there's a lot to be said for public commitment to education: homeschooling rarely produces a well-tooled machine shop, science labs, or large swimming pools. Removing all government funding from one day to the next would create a lot of chaos, and an incremental approach to change is not horrible. And unless you want centrally controlled schools, which you clearly don't, allowing parents to direct the funds instead of bureaucrats will ensure that the good parts don't get thrown away. I still think it's a good step.
Allow me to clarify my point. I'm not opposed to the existence of government-funded schools. In fact, I believe they are necessary. It will be a glorious day when they are brought back to the state level and the DOE is dismantled, however.
My opposition is to the encroachment of the government into the private and homeschool sectors. Allowing this money to trickle in will eventually make those schools vulnerable to larger governmental control. It's a Trojan horse. Those of us who have opted out of the government system are watching with trepidation as newcomers to the private and homeschooling worlds bring the government with them.
And the government knows EXACTLY what they are doing.
Fair enough. Trump's plan, as stated in his agenda, involves closing the DOE and sending the money direct to states and guaranteeing it can be directed by parents who choose to do it.
That will still be vulnerable to state and city unions who loathe losing control and will work to claw it back. Their efforts should be fought against with every tooth and nail.
This has been happening repeatedly in many parts. I've seen it in L.A. County as charter schools are approved under law and certificates granted after agencies are obligated by lawsuits to do so, and then later decertified by administrative BS led by teacher union admins (not even the teachers themselves) and public school admin bureaucrats who want to claw back the funding and indoctrination power. It's definitely a war. But the more power the parents have, the better. If diverting DS resources to do it is possible, I'm all for it.
But in the end, a public commitment to an educated populace is a good thing. Public pooled resources are useful to accomplish that. But centrally controlling it is a big no-no.
For now, Trump is not in office, and his plan is not in effect. Our efforts must reflect our reality if they are to have any positive outcomes in the here-and-now. Vouchers, ESAs, and School Choice are DANGEROUS to homeschoolers. Private schools are in danger, too, for what it's worth.
I'm actually wondering what the legal definition of homeschool is state by state. Our state refers to it as "a non-accredited private school with less than one employee." How will this definition help or hurt us when and if education (rightfully) returns to the states? How else can we shore up the private and homeschool arenas so that they are immune to potential governmental controls?
Have you read The 1776 Report? I printed and bound that beauty the day of its release. https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/The-Presidents-Advisory-1776-Commission-Final-Report.pdf
I just pray that man gets into office. I don't agree with him on everything, obviously, but our freedoms were never more secure than with him in charge.
Yeah, that's a great document.
Ron Paul has a number of published positions on homeschooling, one of my favorite was when he said that "all these homeschooling programs emphasize that they teach according to government standards, but the whole point of homeschooling is to have your own standards."
I don't think you and I will agree. I think vouchers are a good way to wrest power away from the current corrupt structure while saving much of the infrastructure and of the good people inside the awful system. You think it's a Trojan horse. But it's only a Trojan horse when the bad people are pushing it. You might be right at a local level, but from what I've seen the bad people are lining up against it on a federal level.
I see it kind of like a fire department or a prison system. Both of those have ingrained unions that routinely hold the taxpayers hostage to their demands, with corrupt politicians happily giving away money that only their (supposed) constituents are liable for. Ending the corruption is necessary, but ending either department has serious consequences that are best avoided if you can do it. Obviously it's not a perfect parallel, but as far as it goes, I think school choice is a great step at the federal level.
WWG1WGA, fren.
Indeed. WWG1WGA, pede.
The government doesn't give any American Taxpaying Citizen anything. We invest our taxes for education. The government then allocates the money As We the People request. Schools that produce the results that Parents desire will lead to Competition to improve education everywhere. Parents everywhere will be responsible for their choices. This is the American Way. European constructs hinders American Excellence and Ingenuity.
This is a false statement. Vouchers can also be used at private schools in Christian schools. Maybe they’re not all awoke, and there are some great private schools out there.
Also, the difference between having a voucher for a private school and a public school, means that you have some control over what happens with your child because you’re paying a private school not a government school. I know because my daughter went to a private school almost her entire life. Are used to call it bitching rights!
As the HSLDA points out, when government is funding something, government will exert controls over it. If not immediately, then soon after the program is in place. "Teach this inclusive curriculum or you get no federal funding." It only sets up extortion, and it's never NOT happened.
Yup. Government money comes with strings. It may still be a private school, but they will have to do X, Y or Z to qualify to receive the public funds.
But then it’s not school choice. So what’s the point?🤷♀️. As a single mother, I paid $300-$500 a month for my child to be in private daycare and private school. We did without many other things, but it was worth every penny, because I knew my child with safe where she was. Anybody who has a child in public school at this point in time, and this timeline, it’s a complete idiot. I’m sorry there’s no amount of house or car or clothing. That’s worth your child mind being brainwashed daily. When I see people posting about their kids in public school, I just don’t get it. I did not make a lot of money, but the money I did make I spent on, ensuring my child was in a private Christian school. This was a while ago, but I always was hoping for school vouchers. Maybe it was a good thing. It never worked out that way?
Litcola2 is correct. Government money comes with strings. It may still be a private school, but they will have to do X, Y or Z to qualify to receive the public funds. I'm guessing that your child finished school before covid started, because the private schools happily went along with the ridiculous mandates because they knew the government could close their schools for good if they didn't.
Good for you for understanding that private school was the better choice for your child, and for sacrificing to make it happen.
When the churches behind the Christian schools sign up for the data-tracking, mindless bot-producing Common Core, even those schools aren't safe. I was frustrated as well, but the more I read, the no or it was clear that nothing works be safe from the deep state's hands unless it was never in their power to begin with. The only way I see to do it right until real tax reform occurs is: flat tax deduction for educational expenses per child, to do with to with as we wish, no tracing at all.
Yeah, the schools that my daughter went to never used common core. What a catastrophe that was. I like the idea of a tax credit though. That’s a great idea. Unfortunately, yes, some of the Christian schools now are becoming woke. Set times. I’m glad I don’t have a kid in school right now, because I would be perpetually angry
Tax credit can be the best option. Later, flat tax or fair tax is even better!
Thanks for this! Ill be sharing with all my cuckservative friends that keep parroting the school choice talking points!