"Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth." My wife and I have been talking about the end coming for a good while now. Revelation is a maze of cryptic messages that is up to us to interpret correctly. How many of these Movie Stars, Rap Stars, Rock Stars are going to fall? Watch for the signs for the return of our Lord and Savior
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A third of the host of heaven rebelled against God with Lucifer leading them. The dragon, Satan, drags a third of the heavenly host down with him via the rebellion.
Amen! Titus 2:13 “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” We pray to God they repent and come to Jesus. HalleluYAH!
The hermeneutic used to interpret the stars in Revelation 12:4 as angels who fell is largely based on the context of the passage, symbolic language, and intertextual connections within the book of Revelation and other biblical texts. We should always allow the biblical texts to interpret themselves whenever possible.
Context: In Revelation 12, the passage describes a great red dragon (Satan) who sweeps a third of the stars out of the sky with his tail. This is followed by a description of a cosmic battle between the dragon and the archangel Michael. The context suggests a celestial and spiritual conflict rather than a literal event.
Symbolic Language: The book of Revelation is known for its extensive use of symbolic language. Stars are often used symbolically to represent angels or heavenly beings in the Bible (Job 38:7; Daniel 8:10; Revelation 1:20). In this context, the stars being swept from the sky by the dragon likely symbolize angels who rebelled against God and were cast out of heaven.
Intertextual Connections: The imagery of a dragon and stars can be traced back to Old Testament passages such as Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:12-17, which are often interpreted as referring to the fall of Satan and his rebellion against God. These passages provide a backdrop for understanding the symbolism in Revelation 12.
Consistency with Other Biblical Themes: The idea of angels falling from heaven due to pride and rebellion is a consistent theme in the Bible. For example, Lucifer's fall is described in Isaiah 14:12-15, and Jesus himself refers to seeing Satan fall like lightning from heaven (Luke 10:18).
Understanding the Old Testament symbols and imagery is key to understanding/decoding the book of Revelation.
P Diddlers high school is called Mount St Michael and has that famous statue of St Michael the Archangel slaying Satan… right in front of the school.
The best way to interpret the Bible is to use the Bible. Scripture interprets scripture. Stars in the OT many times refer to angels. We know Lucifer ran a rebellion against God and here we see how many angels were with him.
I have a belief that we (humans) are the fallen angels and got put on Earth and tested to see where our allegiances lie. Jesus came to give us a way back to God.
I imagine it like a spectrum from one side the angels that fully embraced satan and the other side got tricked into rebelling through satans lies.
I think we're all being separated as we speak with those aligned with satan taking prominent places in society and the other side of the spectrum coming to Jesus for forgiveness.
I can't prove these belief's as there's not much in the Bible to prove any theory, but it makes sense why we're in a world where there is suffering and pain and a sort of detachment from God.
we are not the angels or the fallen angels. The Bible says we were created by God with the angels already existing at that time. Other scripture indicates we were made a little lower than the angels. Additionally, salvation was not offered or given to the fallen angels. We are created in God's image while the angels are never referred to as image bearers of the Living God.
I agree, think it's something like this^ we're being sorted by our inner allegiances. they're giving people Lots of chances to show who they really are.
if you have an archive.org account, there's a book about fallen angels by Elizabeth Clare Prophet. really interesting, and would explain why she gets such bad press. I trust General Flynn & it was an ECP prayer that he was criticized for saying.
ECP ….Reall? Ascended Masters? Nope.
she says angels are our teachers/fellow family, and she follows Jesus.
but yeah I know many don't like her, which to me is more reason to investigate.
think of it like a lawyer defending a client, ECP is innocent until proven guilty.
there must be a reason General Flynn said her prayer...
and yes, I don't believe in all of her material, but she sure does have a lot of facts & knows a lot about church history.
she's extremely logical for a female, suppose church hierarchy doesn't like that.
If you look to scripture to help you interpret scripture, then one thing you might notice is God addresses individual people where ever they are at, leaders of nations, and the nations themselves. People whom simply entertain (ie tv / movie / music stars) or their ancient analogue are not a focus anywhere.
You may find this next part odd, but I'll preface with how I see the world (satan's plan) working out things to ignore or deny Christ (God's plan).
Basically, if Revelations is more literal than people give credit for, then Satan would need a deception (or alternative explanation) potent enough to continue to deceive people who are witnessing the unfolding of Revelations prophesies coming true in front of them. In many ways science (not by itself an issue) is utilized incorrectly by unbelievers to replace in their minds the position of God thus allowing them to exist without a creator ( in their minds) and thus they deny and ignore the Living God while holding onto their imperfect science.
The judgements (seals, trumpet, bowl) in revelation all describe fantastic and disturbing things happening in quick succession harming the earth and the creatures and people of the earth. What we see lately coming out of scientific study in archeology, in astronomy, in solar observation, in geology all point to a 6000 and 12000 year catastrophy cycle. The cycle is connected to what science identifies as natural recurring processes from the galactic center which involve a current sheet polarity shift of the galactic magnetic field our sun and planets are moving through. Although local to our sun, the solar magnetic field is prevalent, the sun's field which is expanded far out past Pluto by the steady stream of solar wind (charged plasma), the polarity shift the sun travels through about every 6000 years results in dusty plasma that rides on this galactic current sheet becoming far more dense and penetrating further into our solar system. The result ultimately in an accumulation of more material at the surface of the star leading to normal solar wind streams getting more or less stuck on the sun (choking the star). This cascades into a solar micronova (x1000- x10000) flare event sending a massive coronal mass ejection of the corona's shell in nearly all directions. So we would basically observe as this process keeps progressing ( since all the planets and the sun have shown many observed and measured changes to the magnetic fields and ionosphere independently of each other) and the sun flares and we have a darkening of the star before the flare, followed by flare, followed by massive amounts of plasma shell flying off the sun in our direction. The moon gets hit directly causing the surface to go molten red the stars are obscured in 1/3rd of the sky by all the debris and plasma, the earth is struck in the waters by wormwood, 1/3 of all living things basically die. Most every power grid fails in ways that will take decades to bring back online fully. The continents may well turn over 90 degrees on the surface of the earth ( Greenland and Antarctica are on the equator, the oceans may abandon their natural place for a short period as this continental shift is not matched to the normal intermediate stable rotation we experience today and like a basin of water that is shoved, the water first pushes forward and then sloshes back. For survivors, wars happen, crops fail, starvation and disease ensue worldwide, people having this science explanation reject God's revelation and choose to follow a "great" leader of their time whom has promised to get us through the cataclysm.
But that's ridiculous you might say, and to that, I would direct your attention to all the astronomical articles and papers in the last couple years documenting observed micro nova in stars that are core-ward (toward galactic center) from our relative position in the galaxy (especially in stars observed in our local group of the galaxy). Also recorded history on caves depicting strange things in the sky ( experimentally congruent with the collapse of the earth's magnetic field and broad level plasma interaction with the upper atmosphere (by the way, if / when the L-shells of our magnetic field collapse to ground level, plasma bolt energy discharges could carve the grand canyon in less than a minute out of the rock) and Noah and many other indications of a great flood 6000 years ago and other cataclysms in that same time range. Oh one more thing, the earth's magnetic field is weakening substantially and moving to flip polarity which in geologic history appears to also conclude with these solar events too.
Bottom line, I do not see Revelations as cryptic or apocalyptic ( ie not literal) literature in the Bible. Frankly, Satan also takes it far more literally than you suggest it is meant to be else there would be no need for science to discovery and observe in earnest lately these things that are heading toward our solar system. Why have a scientific explanation that says everything that is happening in revelation is a natural galactic process ready to go before things kick off? It would not be necessary if revelations was not being literal about the events and plagues.
From my perspective, God created this universe in time and set all things into motion that would correspond to His plan and timing for our time bound universe. Where God desired, He intervened in the universe directly altering his Creation's timeline as He saw fit for His purpose. Jesus ( the greatest example of God radically altering the timeline of Creation's path) is the author and finisher of our faith and He will return in the midst of these judgements to re-conquer the earth, subdue Satan and the fallen angels, and finally for those whom have believed and trusted him rid us of any/ all sin, suffering, and death.
Thanks for sharing that as I got a lot out of it to think about.