For whatever reason this is one of the conspiracies I haven't done much independent research on. Thoughts appreciated. Mainly, how are the commercial airlines complicit if this is a real thing? How does something like this not have a whistleblower? I am seeing people like Attkinson and Naomi Wolf post about this on Twitter so I am leaning towards maybe its a thing.
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Zero effect. I see persistent contrails all the time, living below the approach corridor of an international airport. If we only had contrails to worry about, we would have the sunniest climate in North America. The people who worry about solar blockage have not lived in a cloudy climate.
Turbojet vs. turbofan is an irrelevant issue. The cause is the production of water vapor, which is independent of engine type and only depends on fuel consumption. Airplanes now fly at much higher altitudes than decades ago, where the formed ice crystals are at a lower ambient temperature and less able to sublimate into vapor.
Water vapor contrails would not sputter out and the plane continue completely 100 percent clear with zero contrails off into the horizon.
For someone who designs deathrays, your lack of ability to simply observe and research is mind boggling.
The “it’s just contrails” lie, Might have worked for simps in the past, at this point the evidence is overwhelming and makes you look like a chump.
You should try harder and do better.
If the air is "dry" (relative humidity lower than 100%), the contrails sublime into vapor. Easier if the air is "warm." For someone who designs deathrays, which must propagate through the atmosphere, and has observed contrails for nearly 70 years, my ability to know my material is solid. Your ability to comprehend atmospheric science is zero.
But since they are only contrails, what does it make of you who are convinced of a hoax? There is no "evidence." All you have are stray pieces of information that would add up to something ONLY if the actual activity could be proven to occur. You don't seem to consider what that would mean. (1) The actual act would have to be detected and confirmed by chemical assay of the contrail. (2) The culprit airplane would have to be legally identified and impounded. (3) Specific and unique systems would have to be identified by open analysis of the airplane's flight systems. Then you would have a case. Short of that, all you have is "It might be true." As for the odd metals in the environment, "acid rain" was a thing, too, until they finally found out it was the chemistry of beds of conifer needles that was causing the acidity. That topic has been over with for decades. You don't ask yourself what becomes of the ~50 tons/day of meteoric dust. Or actual industrial pollution. You jump to an assumption...which is not just bad logic, it is the absence of logic.
Speaking of chumps, I have seen a popular photograph purporting to show a commercial airplane with a "chemtrail" tankage system being installed below decks. This was a hoax, because the reality was that it was a photo of a Boeing airplane in its developmental process, and they had a water ballast system installed so they could change the location of the center of gravity while in flight (as contrasted with having to land and rearrange ballast weights). No such systems are installed on operational aircraft. How would I know? Gee, whiz. I only worked for a company where the planes were built and participated in program development reviews of several such. No discussion of "chemtrail" subsystems. You don't keep secrets in an environment with thousands of people working on an airplane that is open to view.
Your acting as if there is actually an honest and transparent government that doesn’t have a history of spraying our cities and conducting tests on it’s people without their knowledge, using chemical and biological weapons.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK233494/
Your acting as if the government that conducted the Tuskegee experiments, has somehow changed into a benevolent steward and covid wasn’t designed in a lab simultaneously with a bio weapon meant for genocide.
The fact that they tell you their spraying you for the reason of weather modification and your here trying to say it’s just water is quite baffling but you go ahead and continue to trust what they tell you and don’t read into it, you’ll be safe.
Don’t look up either, you might notice that what they spray doesn’t act like regular moisture in an atmosphere.
All you are saying is that you suspect the government of crimes. And so do I. But I have no right to suspect them of imaginary crimes, and all this talk of "chemtrails" is imaginary, by people who don't even understand contrails. Or what it would actually take to do something that would have a significant effect. Imagine: all this spraying...and no results?
No. It starts with a profound ignorance of the phenomenon, and I don't back down from that because it is my area of expertise. Persistent contrails are still only contrails, and you have nothing else to go on except prejudicial suspicion.
Evidence.
Once again I point to the first hand observation of a thick trail behind a plane travel half way across the sky then sputter out and remain absolutely 100 percent clean and pure the rest of the way across the sky.
Regarding 1- aluminum and barium have absolutely been measured in ppm in rain water and ground water Including other mixtures depending on when and where they spray.
2- Legally identified yes. Planes have been identified and the corporations identified as well. When it’s the c_a involved, with documented evidence of Brennan on record telling you they spray for weather modification, why they aren’t impounded is obvious when it’s the government and their fascist corporations committing the crime.
I don’t ask myself about meteors because the history of ppm concerning rain water in the past compared to today speaks for itself and once again shows who is gullible to a conspiracy theory about meteor causing those heavy metals to dismiss the reality of high concentrations of specifically aluminum? Where did your meteor study come from and what testing was done to show its accuracy? Are there historical records of before and after just like the scientists who are gathering info and testing these chemtrails and their effects on us and the earth/water?
Your experience in aircraft is relative to your experience in aircraft. For fucks sake do you not understand how compartmentalization works in order to obtain opsec?
“Well I didn’t see it so it must not have happened” your joking right? Or are you just that arrogant?
Once again, I point to the fact that this is an atmospheric phenomenon and the air may have regions of higher (persist) and lower humidity (fade).
You can detect all kinds of things in rain water and ground water. The problem is finding out where they are coming from. "Acid rain" was a big cause celebre, until it was shown to be entirely natural, having nothing to do with the rain per se.
Brennan? CIA? Weather modification? Where and when? What corporations? Any actual effort to seed clouds, for example, can occur only on limited scales due to the necessity of large operations. Where would it be a crime? Weather modification has been (rainmaking) has been attempted since the 1950s with spotty success. No crime in making rain. You are conflating occasional, limited exercises with a large-scale, all-enveloping, and effective program. I haven't seen any evidence of weather control and I live where there is plenty of weather. No control for the past 70 years. Seems like a useless investment, if it is real.
I have my doubts about the metal concentrations, but the sources are unidentified. Could it be that airplanes corrode/erode in service? More of them are flying now than before. Much more. "These scientists" sound more like people who have axes to grind, which is a poor basis for doing science, and one that will fail to objectively consider all angles. Any data on the net production of aerosols from volcanic events? More questions than answers.
I worked in compartmented activities, so, yes, I know all about compartmentalization. I also know that there is hardly anything less "secret" than the construction of an airplane, having been in the factories and on the program development review boards. I was also involved in the early work on the KC-46 tanker program. Can you say the same?
The problem is not that I haven't seen things. It is that you are "seeing things" that are not what you suppose they are. "Chemtrails" is one of them. You clutch your ignorance about atmospheric effects to your chest to protect you from the prosaic truth that they are only contrails after all, different because they are occurring at higher altitudes where there is greater persistence.
Another side note is that planes flying the grid pattern spraying are not commercial aircraft. They do not fly commercial flight paths. So if your experience is with commercial airplanes then your experience is irrelevant.
They are commercial aircraft. Perhaps you haven't noticed that air routes overlap and cross each other. I see this all the time, and I live near a large international airport. It is not too unusual on cross-country flights to look out and seen another airplane passing us, going in a different direction. Since my experience backs what I say, I have to wonder about your experience.