For whatever reason this is one of the conspiracies I haven't done much independent research on. Thoughts appreciated. Mainly, how are the commercial airlines complicit if this is a real thing? How does something like this not have a whistleblower? I am seeing people like Attkinson and Naomi Wolf post about this on Twitter so I am leaning towards maybe its a thing.
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If the air is "dry" (relative humidity lower than 100%), the contrails sublime into vapor. Easier if the air is "warm." For someone who designs deathrays, which must propagate through the atmosphere, and has observed contrails for nearly 70 years, my ability to know my material is solid. Your ability to comprehend atmospheric science is zero.
But since they are only contrails, what does it make of you who are convinced of a hoax? There is no "evidence." All you have are stray pieces of information that would add up to something ONLY if the actual activity could be proven to occur. You don't seem to consider what that would mean. (1) The actual act would have to be detected and confirmed by chemical assay of the contrail. (2) The culprit airplane would have to be legally identified and impounded. (3) Specific and unique systems would have to be identified by open analysis of the airplane's flight systems. Then you would have a case. Short of that, all you have is "It might be true." As for the odd metals in the environment, "acid rain" was a thing, too, until they finally found out it was the chemistry of beds of conifer needles that was causing the acidity. That topic has been over with for decades. You don't ask yourself what becomes of the ~50 tons/day of meteoric dust. Or actual industrial pollution. You jump to an assumption...which is not just bad logic, it is the absence of logic.
Speaking of chumps, I have seen a popular photograph purporting to show a commercial airplane with a "chemtrail" tankage system being installed below decks. This was a hoax, because the reality was that it was a photo of a Boeing airplane in its developmental process, and they had a water ballast system installed so they could change the location of the center of gravity while in flight (as contrasted with having to land and rearrange ballast weights). No such systems are installed on operational aircraft. How would I know? Gee, whiz. I only worked for a company where the planes were built and participated in program development reviews of several such. No discussion of "chemtrail" subsystems. You don't keep secrets in an environment with thousands of people working on an airplane that is open to view.
Your acting as if there is actually an honest and transparent government that doesn’t have a history of spraying our cities and conducting tests on it’s people without their knowledge, using chemical and biological weapons.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK233494/
Your acting as if the government that conducted the Tuskegee experiments, has somehow changed into a benevolent steward and covid wasn’t designed in a lab simultaneously with a bio weapon meant for genocide.
The fact that they tell you their spraying you for the reason of weather modification and your here trying to say it’s just water is quite baffling but you go ahead and continue to trust what they tell you and don’t read into it, you’ll be safe.
Don’t look up either, you might notice that what they spray doesn’t act like regular moisture in an atmosphere.
All you are saying is that you suspect the government of crimes. And so do I. But I have no right to suspect them of imaginary crimes, and all this talk of "chemtrails" is imaginary, by people who don't even understand contrails. Or what it would actually take to do something that would have a significant effect. Imagine: all this spraying...and no results?
No. It starts with a profound ignorance of the phenomenon, and I don't back down from that because it is my area of expertise. Persistent contrails are still only contrails, and you have nothing else to go on except prejudicial suspicion.
Not true death ray.
You can’t even get past a simple and basic scientific observation because you think you know but just look like a chode.
One very real effect of spraying these chemtrails is evident in California wild fires. What happens when you combine sabotage through poor forestry stewardship, drought manipulation, intentionally draining reservoirs and then spraying dry trees with aluminum particles?
Here you go mr science, here’s one effect of spraying that is extremely evident and very real.
https://firefighterinsider.com/aluminum-flammable/
“Will Aluminum Dust Explode/Spontaneously Combust?
However, it’s important to recognize that, as with many substances, aluminum dust does not behave in the same way as solid aluminum does.
When you make a material into a powder or dust, you dramatically increase the available surface area in comparison to the volume of material.
This has the effect of dramatically reducing the ignition point of the material and in the case of aluminum it means that aluminum dust can explode in the presence of a naked flame or an electrical spark.
Take a look:
It’s important to work very carefully with dust on any description and a full health and safety assessment should be done on the work environment and the individual working before any work is carried out.
There is quite a bit of evidence that says aluminum dust can spontaneously combust, though it would need to reach a fairly substantial concentration in the air to do so.
It is also worth noting that if the air contains any moisture, aluminum dust can react with the water, using the oxygen in the water to oxidize and freeing up hydrogen gas.
This is a major safety concern as hydrogen is highly flammable and can also spontaneously combust and will catch light very easily, indeed, in the presence of a naked flame or electrical spark.”
This is a bore. I am a rocket scientist and have known all about the use of powdered aluminum in solid rocket fuel. Experimental use of aluminum liquid slurries was carried out in the 60s, leading to higher energy release than its carrier liquid. For similar reasons, boron was explored as a "zip fuel" for the pending B-70 bomber, but had to be abandoned because of inconvenient combustion products.
Aluminum oxide is essentially incombustible, and that is the only natural form of aluminum. Aluminum dust from a machining environment (freshly-created, unoxidized surfaces) is a slightly different creature. It all depends on exactly what you have. Raw (unprotected) aluminum will in fact exothermically react with water.
All this is true, but you have proven nothing. Trace quantities of aluminum oxide will not catch fire. Raw aluminum can be melted by an open flame without catching fire (we used to do that to cast metal in my junior high school metalshop). No evidence of aluminum in the various wildfires. Nor of any aerial spraying.
Evidence.
Once again I point to the first hand observation of a thick trail behind a plane travel half way across the sky then sputter out and remain absolutely 100 percent clean and pure the rest of the way across the sky.
Regarding 1- aluminum and barium have absolutely been measured in ppm in rain water and ground water Including other mixtures depending on when and where they spray.
2- Legally identified yes. Planes have been identified and the corporations identified as well. When it’s the c_a involved, with documented evidence of Brennan on record telling you they spray for weather modification, why they aren’t impounded is obvious when it’s the government and their fascist corporations committing the crime.
I don’t ask myself about meteors because the history of ppm concerning rain water in the past compared to today speaks for itself and once again shows who is gullible to a conspiracy theory about meteor causing those heavy metals to dismiss the reality of high concentrations of specifically aluminum? Where did your meteor study come from and what testing was done to show its accuracy? Are there historical records of before and after just like the scientists who are gathering info and testing these chemtrails and their effects on us and the earth/water?
Your experience in aircraft is relative to your experience in aircraft. For fucks sake do you not understand how compartmentalization works in order to obtain opsec?
“Well I didn’t see it so it must not have happened” your joking right? Or are you just that arrogant?
Once again, I point to the fact that this is an atmospheric phenomenon and the air may have regions of higher (persist) and lower humidity (fade).
You can detect all kinds of things in rain water and ground water. The problem is finding out where they are coming from. "Acid rain" was a big cause celebre, until it was shown to be entirely natural, having nothing to do with the rain per se.
Brennan? CIA? Weather modification? Where and when? What corporations? Any actual effort to seed clouds, for example, can occur only on limited scales due to the necessity of large operations. Where would it be a crime? Weather modification has been (rainmaking) has been attempted since the 1950s with spotty success. No crime in making rain. You are conflating occasional, limited exercises with a large-scale, all-enveloping, and effective program. I haven't seen any evidence of weather control and I live where there is plenty of weather. No control for the past 70 years. Seems like a useless investment, if it is real.
I have my doubts about the metal concentrations, but the sources are unidentified. Could it be that airplanes corrode/erode in service? More of them are flying now than before. Much more. "These scientists" sound more like people who have axes to grind, which is a poor basis for doing science, and one that will fail to objectively consider all angles. Any data on the net production of aerosols from volcanic events? More questions than answers.
I worked in compartmented activities, so, yes, I know all about compartmentalization. I also know that there is hardly anything less "secret" than the construction of an airplane, having been in the factories and on the program development review boards. I was also involved in the early work on the KC-46 tanker program. Can you say the same?
The problem is not that I haven't seen things. It is that you are "seeing things" that are not what you suppose they are. "Chemtrails" is one of them. You clutch your ignorance about atmospheric effects to your chest to protect you from the prosaic truth that they are only contrails after all, different because they are occurring at higher altitudes where there is greater persistence.
“I worked in compartmented activities, so, yes, I know all about compartmentalization. I also know that there is hardly anything less "secret" than the construction of an airplane, having been in the factories and on the program development review boards”
So the government hasn’t worked on or created any aircraft in secrecy? Got it
The government cares about your teeth and you need to drink fluoride, it’s safe and effective. got it
The metals are form corroding airplanes? Got it
They tell you they’re spraying you with chemical heavy metal mixtures to reflect the sun because of global warming but death ray says it’s just water. Got it
The grid patterns that only happen on certain days which turn the sky into hazy stringy clouds that look like they’re falling aren’t heavy metals they’re just water that doesn’t act like water. Got it.
Clear blue skies with no chemtrails on certain days when no planes are spraying and yet commercial flights are still flying over commercial flight paths with no trails is just an anomaly and it’s the atmospheric condition of the day and not the absence of these other planes flying these abnormal flights paths, got it.
Thanks for the gas light session.
The complaint is that airliners are emitting "chemtrails." This is bunk.
The fact that the Air Force has developed aircraft in secret is not pertinent to the above. Airliners are not built in secret, as I said. I have been where they are built and seen for myself. I have been privy to the management reviews of development programs, where there is no mention of "chemtrail" equipment. In this respect, I have the real-world experience you do not.
As for fluoride, I have heard the caution ever since I was old enough to read. But I have never seen an iota of evidence that the caution is substantiated. How can something be bad for you---but have no effect?
I have no idea where the metals are coming from, but I did offer two reasonable possibilities. The point is, you have no idea where the metals are coming from, just a huge dose of prejudice.
The "grid patterns" are just the result of crossing airplane trajectories, with no plan associated with them. High-altitude contrails slowly dissipate in shreds, or unwrap, because they are only clouds, often stirred up by admixture into the trailing air vortices made by the wings. As clouds, they are only water. You might pay more attention to how water actually acts, than to your imagination of how water is supposed to act.
The presence of contrails is determined by the relative humidity of the air they are in. It has always been so. When your car putters a steamy exhaust on a cold winter morning, it is the same thing.
THIS! deathraydesigner is nothing more than a low-iq LARP attempting to gaslight this community. I have called him out numerous times before for his bullshit pushing 'MSM is not telling lies' / 'its been debunked', 'I created a high tech laser so I know things..' narrative. Needs a permanent ban from here IMO
Another side note is that planes flying the grid pattern spraying are not commercial aircraft. They do not fly commercial flight paths. So if your experience is with commercial airplanes then your experience is irrelevant.
They are commercial aircraft. Perhaps you haven't noticed that air routes overlap and cross each other. I see this all the time, and I live near a large international airport. It is not too unusual on cross-country flights to look out and seen another airplane passing us, going in a different direction. Since my experience backs what I say, I have to wonder about your experience.
My experience is in sweeping floors and making tea, but it always makes me smile running across educated fools like yourself. The vaccine is safe and effective and still is, go get you some brother.
Why would I want to? It's death on wheels. You lowly-educated make very stupid assumptions.