I wonder if there will ever come a time when a real conservative could get behind legalizing (and thus regulating) all currently scheduled drugs. That'd be some libertarian shit and the war on drugs has only made everything worse.. idk if it would be good or bad but something has to change and these substances aren't going away. God put them on the planet for a reason and I think we should find a way to: help those who abuse them and create a regulated market for them like we do for alcohol and tobacco. People who abuse alcohol and tobacco, and any other substance, stubbornly, will naturally "phase themselves out", and we can keep our prisons empty for those who are actually menaces to society who commit actual crimes..
As for hospitalizations due to OD and the like, perhaps a special treatment facility for addicts which is separate from the conventional hospital system could be implemented. It could be a wing of the larger addiction system, with an incarceration (rehab) prison attached, as well as therapists or whatever else we need for that. A one-stop shop help center.
I think I'm pretty much quite conservative & I'm torn on legalizing drugs, but could definitely get behind it.
I think we can answer our own question; haven't some of the pacific NW looney-bin states legalized all drugs within the past few years?
I've only seen a couple headlines, but it does not sound like its gone well.
At all.
I think maybe legalize virtually all drugs so we can undo like 90%+ of the police state; take all the funding that has been wasted on getting even mayberry-sized sheriff & police departments kitted out like CAG, then increase penalties for drug-related crimes.
i.e.; if you steal to support your drug habit, like double the current penalty or something?
What they did was decriminalize small amounts of it but there is no regulation, so it was a black market open air drug den. BUT one could say this is also just the addicts self-sorting out of the population.. kind of cruel but true, anyways I was thinking more like what Portugal has done, though maybe there's no perfect template anywhere yet. I don't have strong opinions on it either way, only that what's being done now is not working, and I've always struggled with the concept of making possession of an object a crime, whether that be a plant product or a M80 machine gun. Where do you draw the line? The Constitution seems to favor the libertarian point of view.
BUT one could say this is also just the addicts self-sorting out of the population..
Yep, that's absolutely frankly a benefit.
By all means; make treatment / rehab / therapy more widely available, but some people just literally can't break their addiction, for myriad reasons.
I definitely agree 1,000,000% that the war on drugs is unsupportable & completely insane what it's doing / done to society & people.
Something definitely has to change; even if it's a short, 5-10 year legalization / de-criminalization; SOMETHING needs to change......
As for where I personally draw the line; if you can find me specifically & exactly where in the Constitution it explicitly delegates to the fed gov the rights & powers to regulate / control drugs, chemicals, substances, etc; if you can show me that, I'll support keeping the status quo.
Until then, in my smooth little brain; if it's not explicitly in the Constitution, it was written that way by design, and that's the document we agree to adhere to as Americans.
They definitely had drugs / alcohol back then....weren't some of the founding fathers pretty big hemp growers or is that more stoner propaganda? 😂
Not in favor of legalization. In favor of decriminalization.
Normalization and ease of acquisition have not been very positive in a lot of places, but it is easy money for the cities and states to pull from because of the number getting into them.
I have noticed a significant increase in bad and batshit insane drivers since legalization in my area, and it is almost always accompanied with the smell of pot blasting through my intake when driving behind them.
I still remember when they said "no one will smoke pot and drive, they'll obey the law!" as justification for legalization.
Saw through it then, living through it now.
Who knows what other drugs are being consumed, ones you can't even smell, and their effects on drivers.
I have noticed a significant increase in bad and batshit insane drivers since legalization in my area, and it is almost always accompanied with the smell of pot blasting through my intake when driving behind them.
I still remember when they said "no one will smoke pot and drive, they'll obey the law!" as justification for legalization.
Saw through it then, living through it now.
HA......damn, you totally reminded me; I think my state made "medical" (YEAH FUCKING RIGHT!!!) marijuana legal years ago; You reminded me that I distinctly remember smelling a TON more weed out on the road while driving.
A TON.
So yeah; I've had the exact same experience as you.
Worst part; IDK if there's any sort of realistic, feasible MJ / intoxication test that any cop can run in the field, right??
What a mess......
"Medical Marijuana" = "homos just want to love & marry whoever they want. We don't want to fuck your kids. Promise!"
I wonder if there will ever come a time when a real conservative could get behind legalizing (and thus regulating) all currently scheduled drugs. That'd be some libertarian shit and the war on drugs has only made everything worse.. idk if it would be good or bad but something has to change and these substances aren't going away. God put them on the planet for a reason and I think we should find a way to: help those who abuse them and create a regulated market for them like we do for alcohol and tobacco. People who abuse alcohol and tobacco, and any other substance, stubbornly, will naturally "phase themselves out", and we can keep our prisons empty for those who are actually menaces to society who commit actual crimes..
As for hospitalizations due to OD and the like, perhaps a special treatment facility for addicts which is separate from the conventional hospital system could be implemented. It could be a wing of the larger addiction system, with an incarceration (rehab) prison attached, as well as therapists or whatever else we need for that. A one-stop shop help center.
I think I'm pretty much quite conservative & I'm torn on legalizing drugs, but could definitely get behind it.
I think we can answer our own question; haven't some of the pacific NW looney-bin states legalized all drugs within the past few years?
I've only seen a couple headlines, but it does not sound like its gone well.
At all.
I think maybe legalize virtually all drugs so we can undo like 90%+ of the police state; take all the funding that has been wasted on getting even mayberry-sized sheriff & police departments kitted out like CAG, then increase penalties for drug-related crimes. i.e.; if you steal to support your drug habit, like double the current penalty or something?
IDK......
What do YOU think?
What they did was decriminalize small amounts of it but there is no regulation, so it was a black market open air drug den. BUT one could say this is also just the addicts self-sorting out of the population.. kind of cruel but true, anyways I was thinking more like what Portugal has done, though maybe there's no perfect template anywhere yet. I don't have strong opinions on it either way, only that what's being done now is not working, and I've always struggled with the concept of making possession of an object a crime, whether that be a plant product or a M80 machine gun. Where do you draw the line? The Constitution seems to favor the libertarian point of view.
Yep, that's absolutely frankly a benefit. By all means; make treatment / rehab / therapy more widely available, but some people just literally can't break their addiction, for myriad reasons.
I definitely agree 1,000,000% that the war on drugs is unsupportable & completely insane what it's doing / done to society & people.
Something definitely has to change; even if it's a short, 5-10 year legalization / de-criminalization; SOMETHING needs to change......
As for where I personally draw the line; if you can find me specifically & exactly where in the Constitution it explicitly delegates to the fed gov the rights & powers to regulate / control drugs, chemicals, substances, etc; if you can show me that, I'll support keeping the status quo.
Until then, in my smooth little brain; if it's not explicitly in the Constitution, it was written that way by design, and that's the document we agree to adhere to as Americans.
They definitely had drugs / alcohol back then....weren't some of the founding fathers pretty big hemp growers or is that more stoner propaganda? 😂
Yep, well; there you go.... I believe it isn't going much better in portlandia / washington states.......
Not in favor of legalization. In favor of decriminalization.
Normalization and ease of acquisition have not been very positive in a lot of places, but it is easy money for the cities and states to pull from because of the number getting into them.
I have noticed a significant increase in bad and batshit insane drivers since legalization in my area, and it is almost always accompanied with the smell of pot blasting through my intake when driving behind them.
I still remember when they said "no one will smoke pot and drive, they'll obey the law!" as justification for legalization.
Saw through it then, living through it now.
Who knows what other drugs are being consumed, ones you can't even smell, and their effects on drivers.
HA......damn, you totally reminded me; I think my state made "medical" (YEAH FUCKING RIGHT!!!) marijuana legal years ago; You reminded me that I distinctly remember smelling a TON more weed out on the road while driving.
A TON.
So yeah; I've had the exact same experience as you. Worst part; IDK if there's any sort of realistic, feasible MJ / intoxication test that any cop can run in the field, right??
What a mess......
"Medical Marijuana" = "homos just want to love & marry whoever they want. We don't want to fuck your kids. Promise!"