EXCLUSIVE: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano Summoned to Vatican to be Excommunicated
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I think Jesus was God in the flesh.
If He had come out and told people, "I am God," that would be a VERY different conversation than, "I am the son of God," because everyone else could claim the same thing.
God created Adam. But His people were not following his rules. So, he wiped out most of His people (not the entire world, but only a local area) via the flood, and left it up to Noah to repopulate because Noah was "perfect in his ancestry."
Later, His people were again not following The Law, so He sent Moses to make it more concrete.
Later still, they were still not doing what He wanted, so He made a special promise for Abraham, that his descendents would multiply across the world and spread the Word.
Again, His people were screwing up, so He came to Earth, in the flesh, to TEACH directly what He wanted His people to do, to set an example, to reveal more truth to again make it more clear, and also to die for their sins, so they would not have to die (as was the rule from the OT). He also clarified what sin is (1 John 3:4 -- Sin is the transgression of The Law), and forever removed death as the penalty for sin.
He gave a lot of information in His time on Earth, but most people (once again) have forgotten, never learned, or ignored.
Jesus never claimed to be God, true. But He did things that ONLY God could do, which (to me) makes it obvious that He was, and understandable why He would not come right out and say it.
This is explained by him being anointed by God. After that happened he got the power and authority to break or bend natural laws, hence the term "super-natural", or "above natural laws".
I think Jesus existed in Heaven with God long before he came to the earth, but I don't think he was God. I think he was clear in his relationship TO God, as he said he was God's son. Later on it was made more clear that he was God's FAITHFUL son, unlike Adam. I could be wrong and in the grand scheme of things I don't believe this is an ultra-important issue to debate and we should focus on what Jesus taught us, but I'm down to explore it more!
Jesus did claim to be God tho?
John 8:58 John 10:30 John 20:28 John 1:1 John 10:33 Matthew 4:7 Luke 4:12 Revelation 22:13
Imagine claiming OTHER people aren't Christians while espousing blatant Gnostic heresies refuted in the New Testament.
Educate yourself!!
Jn. 8:58 - claims he existed before Abraham, which can be explained as God having a son before Abraham was alive.
Jn. 10:30 - claims to be "one with the Father" (see: https://biblehub.com/greek/1520.htm to dig into the word used for one) this is not an automatic "I am Him" statement.
Jn. 20:28 - Thomas called him his Lord and God. Does Thomas' statement have enough weight to make the stretch? Up to you. Many of his disciples had wrong impressions of various aspects of his ministry, and not all were openly refuted by Jesus.
Jn 1:1 - The only one you posted which possibly could mean Jesus is God Himself.
Jn. 10:33 - Jesus told the devil that it's a sin to "test the Lord your God" , because the devil was compelling Jesus to jump off a cliff and see if angels would rescue him. Who exactly is being tested by this act to see if they'd help Jesus? Think about it.
Lk. 4:12 - Same as Jn. 10:33
Rev. 22:13 - Jesus is the alpha and omega, beginning and end. Was it not said something along the lines of "God created the worlds THROUGH him (his son)? So we have Creator and we have Maker (the one who does the work according to the Creator's plan)
I ask you, is being regarded equal with someone the same as you being that someone?
Why did Jesus pray to the Father if he was the Father? Why has "all authority in heaven and on earth" been given to Jesus if he was the one who gave it to him? Who had it before?
Jesus "ascended into Heaven and sat down at the right hand of the Father" - how is this possible if Jesus was the Father?? He sat down at his own right hand?
I must address one point of yours directly:
I disagree that the NT refuted them, that they are heretical, and that even if you were right, that somehow I'd lose MY RIGHT to call out Babylonian paganism wrapped in Christ's name! I also clearly stated that I could be wrong in my earlier comment above. This isn't a topic which alters the doctrines Christ taught us, so it shouldn't be one for Christian division, in my opinion.
edit- I assume the downvote will be accompanied by a response? Hello fren let's discuss, it shouldn't be hard and I don't bite! Well if I do I usually get convicted on the inside and relent my ego out of it 🥲
Funny how God would send us a new testament warning us about Gnostic false teachers just so people can embrace these same lies 2000 years later. Your view of Jesus is basically identical to Islam, except they don't agree he was the son of God.
John 14:7-10 --
If the Father dwelleth in Jesus how does that make them the same person? It sounds like two different beings in some form of unity to me. If Jesus dwelleth in me as a believer, does that make me Jesus?
Here's my response to the other post https://greatawakening.win/p/17tLAw7P7v/x/c/4ZCZxBYuFqV what do you think?
This is a fun topic! I wasn't expecting it to turn into this discussion but now I'm having a blast, I love talking about this stuff. I learn a lot myself 😅