You've been lied to about Israel. The Israel in the Bible are Christians; those who have accepted Christ, not the boundaries of the land the United Nations gave them in 1948.
There is a goal by jews to expand the current boundaries into what they call Greater Israel. Look at these maps and ask yourself if you are okay with the results. Do you think a few people may have a problem with giving jews the city of Mecca?
I agree we are in a spiritual batter and God wins. As a country, we shouldn't let any other country push our policy and drag us into war. No Iranian ever tried to push our kids into a drag queen story hour or try to subvert every aspect of our culture.
I think for myself. Simply because I have revelation of why Israel is so important in these latter days in no way indicates I have been lied to. I don't google Israel, I don't use any msm outlet for the truth about that land, and I will always stand with them. This is my perspective & my choice.
God established a covenant w/ Israel. He gave them that land. He keeps His promises. And He judges all accordingly.
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Rom. 3:4 ...Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
Gen. 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
This is the spirit of the Beast system which will eventually kill Jews (the Harlot in Revelation 17) AND Christians for being perceived as the Worlds problems, ushering in the false light kingdom of the Antichrist.
...the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God."
John 16:2
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
Not all Christians are "brainwashed" friend. Only Christians who have been taught "dispensationalism" which originated from the Scofield Reference Bible in 1830. Mike Johnson is obviously a dispensationalist. What these false teachings might led to is unconditional support of the modern nation of Israel. Our sons & daughters could be sent overseas to fight for Israel. Not good!
Romans 12:19 - "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord" - The Lord took vengeance on apostate Israel in 70 AD when the Temple & city of Jerusalem were destroyed by Roman General Titus & his army.
Romans 3:4 - you pulled a scripture out of context. Keep reading in Romans 3:9-10 - "What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:". What's the point Paul was trying to make? Isn't it that no one is righteous? Neither Jew nor Gentile?
Gen 12:3 - God here is speaking of Abraham. Was this a reference to the nation state of Israel? If so the United States has been "blessing" the nation state of Israel for about 75 years. Or we as a nation "blessed"? I certainly don't think so.
How is Gen 12:3 ultimately fulfilled? Read Galatians 3:27-29 - "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Yes God did give them "that land". Joshua 21:43 "And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein." So that land promise was fulfilled along time ago. Israel was under a covenant relationship with God which they failed to live up to.
To be more specific it's Protestants who follow the system of biblical interpretation called "dispensationalism". Some groups who hold to this belief system are: Baptists, Assembly of God, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, etc. Of course there are exceptions to this list and it's not an all inclusive list. Also many within these groups are finally starting to question this whole notion that Christians must support "Israel" no matter what they do!
The Israel today is not the same Israel of the bible. This belief was created in 1900 by a single man named scoville. You will see that prior to this 1900 there was not a hint of any Christians believing such a thing.
You're right that God wins. That means it Israel needs Jesus.
Thank you! Excellent summary & true! When I first came to Christ over 40 years ago I was introduced to the teachings of E. I. Scofield. That system of theology is called "dispensationalism" right? It took me over 20 years to realize that dispensational teaching was wrong. I am reading some of the comments on this thread and it reminds me of the power of false teaching. Guys like us really have our work cut out for us!
Men like SOTH Mike Johnson seem to be a staunch dispensationalist. That is somewhat frightening to me. All I can say is that he can send his sons/daughters/grandchildren to fight and die for "Israel". But as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. In some circles this would be called "antisemitic" LOL!
BTW I come from an Ashkenazi "Jewish" background thru my father's side of the family. My Gr-Gr-grandfather was 1 of 10 men who founded a synagogue in a town in New Hampshire. I did a lot of digging into this "Jewish" question. What I've concluded is that today's "Jews" have no connection with the ancient Hebrews or Israelites. The Jews in Israel are Europeans who have adopted the Jewish religion. I'd say most aren't even religious and don't even believe in God. I think the scriptures in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 says it all - "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan" (Rev 2:9).
I could go on and on friend because this is a subject near and dear to my heart. But it's encouraging to read comments like yours! It gives me hope that American Christians are starting to wake up to the deception.
I'm proud of you that you that you decided to seek the truth instead of seeking a special class because of your bloodlines.
It amazes me how many Christians repeat the alleged promise of God will bless those the bless israel. The history of Israel seems to show that did not apply even to the biblical israel.
The Roman empire conquered Israel in 63 BC. They then slaughtered around a million Hebrews in 70 ad. If anything should trigger a curse you would think this would be it, instead the Roman empire prospered for hundreds of more years.
Why do so many Christians ignore so many beautiful and important promises of blessings or curses from the new testament? Whatever you do to the least of these you do onto me. Blessed are the peacemakers. Blessed are the poor in spirit.
It seems the only blessings that many modern day Christians get excited about is the blessings that come from giving money to their offering plate and the blessing that comes from giving money to the state of israel.
Seems like there is some manipulation behind this theology, wouldn't you say?
I’ll say this- u/Young_Patriot, are on fire this morning, kiddo! I got a rush from seeing someone younger knowing their Bible as well as you do! May God bless you and your family richly.
This is a spiritual battle, & Israel is of the utmost importance.
Fear not & pray w/out ceasing. God wins.
You've been lied to about Israel. The Israel in the Bible are Christians; those who have accepted Christ, not the boundaries of the land the United Nations gave them in 1948.
There is a goal by jews to expand the current boundaries into what they call Greater Israel. Look at these maps and ask yourself if you are okay with the results. Do you think a few people may have a problem with giving jews the city of Mecca?
I agree we are in a spiritual batter and God wins. As a country, we shouldn't let any other country push our policy and drag us into war. No Iranian ever tried to push our kids into a drag queen story hour or try to subvert every aspect of our culture.
I think for myself. Simply because I have revelation of why Israel is so important in these latter days in no way indicates I have been lied to. I don't google Israel, I don't use any msm outlet for the truth about that land, and I will always stand with them. This is my perspective & my choice.
God established a covenant w/ Israel. He gave them that land. He keeps His promises. And He judges all accordingly.
This is the spirit of the Beast system which will eventually kill Jews (the Harlot in Revelation 17) AND Christians for being perceived as the Worlds problems, ushering in the false light kingdom of the Antichrist.
John 16:2
Revelation 20:4
Not all Christians are "brainwashed" friend. Only Christians who have been taught "dispensationalism" which originated from the Scofield Reference Bible in 1830. Mike Johnson is obviously a dispensationalist. What these false teachings might led to is unconditional support of the modern nation of Israel. Our sons & daughters could be sent overseas to fight for Israel. Not good!
I noticed you didn't have an answer for "Greater Israel". Are you really okay with that?
Apologies- was I supposed to answer it?
If I said yes, how would my opinion on the ideology of Greater Israel affect your day?
Only God the Father knows the boundaries of the land He promised to give them. My opinion on this particular question is moot.
Romans 12:19 - "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord" - The Lord took vengeance on apostate Israel in 70 AD when the Temple & city of Jerusalem were destroyed by Roman General Titus & his army.
Romans 3:4 - you pulled a scripture out of context. Keep reading in Romans 3:9-10 - "What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:". What's the point Paul was trying to make? Isn't it that no one is righteous? Neither Jew nor Gentile?
Gen 12:3 - God here is speaking of Abraham. Was this a reference to the nation state of Israel? If so the United States has been "blessing" the nation state of Israel for about 75 years. Or we as a nation "blessed"? I certainly don't think so.
How is Gen 12:3 ultimately fulfilled? Read Galatians 3:27-29 - "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Yes God did give them "that land". Joshua 21:43 "And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein." So that land promise was fulfilled along time ago. Israel was under a covenant relationship with God which they failed to live up to.
Excellent. I learned some new things
To be more specific it's Protestants who follow the system of biblical interpretation called "dispensationalism". Some groups who hold to this belief system are: Baptists, Assembly of God, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, etc. Of course there are exceptions to this list and it's not an all inclusive list. Also many within these groups are finally starting to question this whole notion that Christians must support "Israel" no matter what they do!
The Israel today is not the same Israel of the bible. This belief was created in 1900 by a single man named scoville. You will see that prior to this 1900 there was not a hint of any Christians believing such a thing.
You're right that God wins. That means it Israel needs Jesus.
Thank you! Excellent summary & true! When I first came to Christ over 40 years ago I was introduced to the teachings of E. I. Scofield. That system of theology is called "dispensationalism" right? It took me over 20 years to realize that dispensational teaching was wrong. I am reading some of the comments on this thread and it reminds me of the power of false teaching. Guys like us really have our work cut out for us!
Men like SOTH Mike Johnson seem to be a staunch dispensationalist. That is somewhat frightening to me. All I can say is that he can send his sons/daughters/grandchildren to fight and die for "Israel". But as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. In some circles this would be called "antisemitic" LOL!
BTW I come from an Ashkenazi "Jewish" background thru my father's side of the family. My Gr-Gr-grandfather was 1 of 10 men who founded a synagogue in a town in New Hampshire. I did a lot of digging into this "Jewish" question. What I've concluded is that today's "Jews" have no connection with the ancient Hebrews or Israelites. The Jews in Israel are Europeans who have adopted the Jewish religion. I'd say most aren't even religious and don't even believe in God. I think the scriptures in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 says it all - "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan" (Rev 2:9).
I could go on and on friend because this is a subject near and dear to my heart. But it's encouraging to read comments like yours! It gives me hope that American Christians are starting to wake up to the deception.
I'm proud of you that you that you decided to seek the truth instead of seeking a special class because of your bloodlines.
It amazes me how many Christians repeat the alleged promise of God will bless those the bless israel. The history of Israel seems to show that did not apply even to the biblical israel.
The Roman empire conquered Israel in 63 BC. They then slaughtered around a million Hebrews in 70 ad. If anything should trigger a curse you would think this would be it, instead the Roman empire prospered for hundreds of more years.
Why do so many Christians ignore so many beautiful and important promises of blessings or curses from the new testament? Whatever you do to the least of these you do onto me. Blessed are the peacemakers. Blessed are the poor in spirit.
It seems the only blessings that many modern day Christians get excited about is the blessings that come from giving money to their offering plate and the blessing that comes from giving money to the state of israel.
Seems like there is some manipulation behind this theology, wouldn't you say?
I’ll say this- u/Young_Patriot, are on fire this morning, kiddo! I got a rush from seeing someone younger knowing their Bible as well as you do! May God bless you and your family richly.