The "things" you refer to have nothing to do with this incident, in the sense that the Father was not going to change anything. The only thing he could do is lose and traumatize his child.
Tell me... is the lawsuit and money (that would have come anyway) going to make things better for this child's traumatic moment? This scar is going to be for half the rest of his life, at least.
But complying is a wimpy way out, I suppose in your mind? Right. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, and picking a losing fight in front of your child is NOT the moment.
I should add... there is a place for defiance. I just don't think it was the right moment in front of his 5 year old son with no one else to take the son so now the dad is risking the son having to be watched over by the popo that just took his father.
I happen to agree with you. Here's the thing. I'm a father. I like doing things with my sons. But I'm also aware of the assumptions people have about men by themselves, and men with children. What if that guy hadn't been that boy's father? In the father's mind, it may have been a sweet thing he does to bond with his son--go on walks early in the morning before work. If I did that though, before the sun came up, I think I'd understand if a cop stopped me just to make sure my boy was ok. Had that not been his son, we'd be looking at this video a lot differently. We'd all be talking about how the cops had been guided there by God to save him from a predator and how grateful we all were that he had followed that feeling he had. The father HADN'T done anything wrong, no. And that WAS his son. And my guess is, when that other cop came back and saw how terrified the boy was of him, he knew he'd messed up. And all of that could have been avoided by the father stepping inside the shoes of those cops and seen things from their perspective. It did look a little weird. A little more explanation and cooperation would have resolved the matter easily. And from there on out, they couol have continued those walks and if those cops ever saw them again they'd know what there were seeing and would likely have warm feelings about what they were seeing. Ok, the cops were wrong. But the dad lacked situational awareness and that was really the result any of us should have expected in that situation if we had reacted that defensively. I hate to say it, and it's hard to say right after watching that poor boy cry like that, but if the cops suspicions had been right, they'd look like god-sensitive heroes to us. Ok they were wrong. But I can't blame them for being concerned and if the dad hadn't been so defensive I fully believe it wouldn't have gone down like that.
I totally agree with you. I'm a father, too. I am glad those cops stopped to talk. It should not have gone down that way. It didn't have to. Neither side handled it well.
If we expect cops to do an impossible job, there's a little bit of give and take on our part to get through the situation normally without a take-down.
But because I think that, I'm a communist, haha (the other guy's comment).
The "things" you refer to have nothing to do with this incident, in the sense that the Father was not going to change anything. The only thing he could do is lose and traumatize his child.
Tell me... is the lawsuit and money (that would have come anyway) going to make things better for this child's traumatic moment? This scar is going to be for half the rest of his life, at least.
But complying is a wimpy way out, I suppose in your mind? Right. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, and picking a losing fight in front of your child is NOT the moment.
I don't believe complying is the wimpy way out, but you don't protect your rights by not exercising them, you lose them.
So true!
Not if you pursue them afterwards. It could have been easy to go to the station later in the day and file a complaint.
Oh, a complaint… that’ll show em 🙄
You've obviously never filed a complaint with a station.
I should add... there is a place for defiance. I just don't think it was the right moment in front of his 5 year old son with no one else to take the son so now the dad is risking the son having to be watched over by the popo that just took his father.
I happen to agree with you. Here's the thing. I'm a father. I like doing things with my sons. But I'm also aware of the assumptions people have about men by themselves, and men with children. What if that guy hadn't been that boy's father? In the father's mind, it may have been a sweet thing he does to bond with his son--go on walks early in the morning before work. If I did that though, before the sun came up, I think I'd understand if a cop stopped me just to make sure my boy was ok. Had that not been his son, we'd be looking at this video a lot differently. We'd all be talking about how the cops had been guided there by God to save him from a predator and how grateful we all were that he had followed that feeling he had. The father HADN'T done anything wrong, no. And that WAS his son. And my guess is, when that other cop came back and saw how terrified the boy was of him, he knew he'd messed up. And all of that could have been avoided by the father stepping inside the shoes of those cops and seen things from their perspective. It did look a little weird. A little more explanation and cooperation would have resolved the matter easily. And from there on out, they couol have continued those walks and if those cops ever saw them again they'd know what there were seeing and would likely have warm feelings about what they were seeing. Ok, the cops were wrong. But the dad lacked situational awareness and that was really the result any of us should have expected in that situation if we had reacted that defensively. I hate to say it, and it's hard to say right after watching that poor boy cry like that, but if the cops suspicions had been right, they'd look like god-sensitive heroes to us. Ok they were wrong. But I can't blame them for being concerned and if the dad hadn't been so defensive I fully believe it wouldn't have gone down like that.
I totally agree with you. I'm a father, too. I am glad those cops stopped to talk. It should not have gone down that way. It didn't have to. Neither side handled it well.
If we expect cops to do an impossible job, there's a little bit of give and take on our part to get through the situation normally without a take-down.
But because I think that, I'm a communist, haha (the other guy's comment).
Thanks for your comments.
I’ve never seen anyone sign their hole as deep as you. This is entertaining.
Yeah, ad hominem commentsare why this board is so invigorating.