He's with his son. A criminal usually doesn't bring a kid to do a crime.
Both not carrying any obvious equipment to do a crime - looks like just a t-shirt and shorts.
There's more signs that he's just taking a walk with his son than there's signs he's up to criminal activity. Taking this all into account. Let the man go.
The suspected crime was obviously human trafficking. The Cop should had, while being ready for any extreme action, clearly expressed the crime suspected and proceed to clearly and politely ask the father to prove he is indeed who he claims he is. At said point they should accompany them both to their home where the father can then procure his ID, or better yet have the mother fetch it for him. It is a potentially dangerous situation for the cop. But facing danger for the sake of the people is what they are supposed to do.
5:30 am may be his usual time to take a walk with your son, But that is not a common practice and one can clearly suspect the child to be in danger after seeing this. How many more parents do you see around walking with their kids at that time?
So the problem is that the first officer failed to properly communicate with the father. More than likely due to poor ass training and never being actually taught the laws they are supposed to enforce or how to even properly do it to begin with.
And the second guy was just the usual police asshole. Who lacks understanding and is likely on a power trip. Easy pitfall when you are used to dealing with criminals. But not every one is a criminal and the police often forgets this.
The precursor to everything that went wrong was the first officer failing hardcore at communication... and well, the second officer was just an asshole so... yeah...
Actually, You would be surprised. Grooming is complex in many way. The victim can be a "willing" participant. Or simply fooled into what they should not do. In fact, the "Coyotes" often tell the children they traffic that if they (the kids) are caught by American police they (the kids) will be thrown in jail. And kids being kids, believe them. Also in cases of American criminals they often convince they minors they predate on that they (the kids) are willing participants and would "get in trouble" if caught.
Years ago, I had the misfortune of learning of a child prostitution ring in West Palm Beach, Florida... What the children involved had to say was often extremely disturbing and mind boggling. I learned then that common sense cannot apply to these types of situations.
The thing with children is that they simply do not know better. And can be manipulated easily. So obvious restrains are often not actually needed.
And this is merely one example of the plethora of different possibilities, circumstance and specifics that can take place.
Of course the education a child has received or not is a factor that influences this matter, But in the instance you spot a child with an adult at a rather unlikely time you really should not assume that nothing wrong.
I am by no means justifying the cops either. I already posted the hows and whys of their wrongdoings. The police were clearly at fault here. But not in the way expressed before.
To properly combat a problem, one must understand the problem fully. We must arm ourselves with accurate information in order to have a shot at fixing things.
Look at this. People downvoting a perfectly reasoned response, the same people who get all upset about human trafficking any other time on this board because they lack critical thinking skills and yet will call other people sheep.
I don't know about "not common practice", getting your kid accustomed to exercise at an early age will pay dividends in their future lives, and plenty of people have similar routines.
But you're right, there obviously is a suspected crime. But it's not like the kid has a way to identify himself, so IDing him on its own would not really accomplish a lot.
Correct. The point is the officers frankly sucked at proper communication.
I agree, plenty of people do, but for example, here in my city (yeah I know...) you would never see something like that. It would be extremely rare and odd.
The cops should have taken into account:
There's more signs that he's just taking a walk with his son than there's signs he's up to criminal activity. Taking this all into account. Let the man go.
The cops should have taken a lot more into account.
No one not suspected of committing a crime is obligated to talk to or present ID to an officer.
Cops don't like people telling them no.
The suspected crime was obviously human trafficking. The Cop should had, while being ready for any extreme action, clearly expressed the crime suspected and proceed to clearly and politely ask the father to prove he is indeed who he claims he is. At said point they should accompany them both to their home where the father can then procure his ID, or better yet have the mother fetch it for him. It is a potentially dangerous situation for the cop. But facing danger for the sake of the people is what they are supposed to do.
5:30 am may be his usual time to take a walk with your son, But that is not a common practice and one can clearly suspect the child to be in danger after seeing this. How many more parents do you see around walking with their kids at that time?
So the problem is that the first officer failed to properly communicate with the father. More than likely due to poor ass training and never being actually taught the laws they are supposed to enforce or how to even properly do it to begin with.
And the second guy was just the usual police asshole. Who lacks understanding and is likely on a power trip. Easy pitfall when you are used to dealing with criminals. But not every one is a criminal and the police often forgets this.
It was a simple fix. Take the guy to house and checkout his story. If they were honestly that concerned for the child they would have taken the time.
This I agree with.
The precursor to everything that went wrong was the first officer failing hardcore at communication... and well, the second officer was just an asshole so... yeah...
And what human trafficker lets their mark just free walk 1-2 feet away?
Actually, You would be surprised. Grooming is complex in many way. The victim can be a "willing" participant. Or simply fooled into what they should not do. In fact, the "Coyotes" often tell the children they traffic that if they (the kids) are caught by American police they (the kids) will be thrown in jail. And kids being kids, believe them. Also in cases of American criminals they often convince they minors they predate on that they (the kids) are willing participants and would "get in trouble" if caught.
Years ago, I had the misfortune of learning of a child prostitution ring in West Palm Beach, Florida... What the children involved had to say was often extremely disturbing and mind boggling. I learned then that common sense cannot apply to these types of situations.
The thing with children is that they simply do not know better. And can be manipulated easily. So obvious restrains are often not actually needed.
And this is merely one example of the plethora of different possibilities, circumstance and specifics that can take place.
Of course the education a child has received or not is a factor that influences this matter, But in the instance you spot a child with an adult at a rather unlikely time you really should not assume that nothing wrong.
I am by no means justifying the cops either. I already posted the hows and whys of their wrongdoings. The police were clearly at fault here. But not in the way expressed before.
To properly combat a problem, one must understand the problem fully. We must arm ourselves with accurate information in order to have a shot at fixing things.
Look at this. People downvoting a perfectly reasoned response, the same people who get all upset about human trafficking any other time on this board because they lack critical thinking skills and yet will call other people sheep.
It saddens me a bit.
I don't know about "not common practice", getting your kid accustomed to exercise at an early age will pay dividends in their future lives, and plenty of people have similar routines.
But you're right, there obviously is a suspected crime. But it's not like the kid has a way to identify himself, so IDing him on its own would not really accomplish a lot.
Correct. The point is the officers frankly sucked at proper communication.
I agree, plenty of people do, but for example, here in my city (yeah I know...) you would never see something like that. It would be extremely rare and odd.