He's with his son. A criminal usually doesn't bring a kid to do a crime.
Both not carrying any obvious equipment to do a crime - looks like just a t-shirt and shorts.
There's more signs that he's just taking a walk with his son than there's signs he's up to criminal activity. Taking this all into account. Let the man go.
The suspected crime was obviously human trafficking. The Cop should had, while being ready for any extreme action, clearly expressed the crime suspected and proceed to clearly and politely ask the father to prove he is indeed who he claims he is. At said point they should accompany them both to their home where the father can then procure his ID, or better yet have the mother fetch it for him. It is a potentially dangerous situation for the cop. But facing danger for the sake of the people is what they are supposed to do.
5:30 am may be his usual time to take a walk with your son, But that is not a common practice and one can clearly suspect the child to be in danger after seeing this. How many more parents do you see around walking with their kids at that time?
So the problem is that the first officer failed to properly communicate with the father. More than likely due to poor ass training and never being actually taught the laws they are supposed to enforce or how to even properly do it to begin with.
And the second guy was just the usual police asshole. Who lacks understanding and is likely on a power trip. Easy pitfall when you are used to dealing with criminals. But not every one is a criminal and the police often forgets this.
The precursor to everything that went wrong was the first officer failing hardcore at communication... and well, the second officer was just an asshole so... yeah...
Actually, You would be surprised. Grooming is complex in many way. The victim can be a "willing" participant. Or simply fooled into what they should not do. In fact, the "Coyotes" often tell the children they traffic that if they (the kids) are caught by American police they (the kids) will be thrown in jail. And kids being kids, believe them. Also in cases of American criminals they often convince they minors they predate on that they (the kids) are willing participants and would "get in trouble" if caught.
Years ago, I had the misfortune of learning of a child prostitution ring in West Palm Beach, Florida... What the children involved had to say was often extremely disturbing and mind boggling. I learned then that common sense cannot apply to these types of situations.
The thing with children is that they simply do not know better. And can be manipulated easily. So obvious restrains are often not actually needed.
And this is merely one example of the plethora of different possibilities, circumstance and specifics that can take place.
Of course the education a child has received or not is a factor that influences this matter, But in the instance you spot a child with an adult at a rather unlikely time you really should not assume that nothing wrong.
I am by no means justifying the cops either. I already posted the hows and whys of their wrongdoings. The police were clearly at fault here. But not in the way expressed before.
To properly combat a problem, one must understand the problem fully. We must arm ourselves with accurate information in order to have a shot at fixing things.
Look at this. People downvoting a perfectly reasoned response, the same people who get all upset about human trafficking any other time on this board because they lack critical thinking skills and yet will call other people sheep.
I don't know about "not common practice", getting your kid accustomed to exercise at an early age will pay dividends in their future lives, and plenty of people have similar routines.
But you're right, there obviously is a suspected crime. But it's not like the kid has a way to identify himself, so IDing him on its own would not really accomplish a lot.
Correct. The point is the officers frankly sucked at proper communication.
I agree, plenty of people do, but for example, here in my city (yeah I know...) you would never see something like that. It would be extremely rare and odd.
By your logic, if I were to do the same as the father I would be suspicious?
1.- I am a naturalized American. I have a hell of an accent. Does having an accent makes me not American? Also, for your information, Americans like everyone else too commit crimes. So you are not above suspicion. (This is one of the reasons the left finds it so easy to call you a racist. Because people like you are actually racist and probably do not even notice it.)
2.-The Crime the father is suspected of is obviously human trafficking. 5:30 am is not an common time for a father and son walk. How many other parents do you see walking with their kids at that time?
3.- As stated human trafficking is not always straight forward but the assumption of obvious equipment is just wrong.
While these cops did failed at their job in a rather spectacular manner. You would had done no better than them.
In reply to @Datasinc I clearly explained how the cops failed at their duties. Please read it and be better informed.
I urge you to think things clearly before mindlessly posting here. The standard for us is way higher than it should be for the average person. Do better.
"In reply to @Datasinc I clearly explained how the cops failed at their duties. Please read it and be better informed."
"mindlessly posting, we have higher standards, be better informed, do better" -
Why is it that responses to posts MUST CONTAIN VITRIOL? In your case, "polite" vitriol.
You know what? I did not read your post. I committed a great SIN.
So is everyone supposed to read all the posts before commenting? ESPECIALLY YOURS? Is that written in the handbook? Should people run their opinions by you before posting?
I saw the video, and used my discernment and INTUITION. Then I stated my opinion. Who are you to chastise me for that?
Get over yourself!
Discussions are meant to bring up different opinions, scenarios. Not just yours. I better check if my post doesn't support Drakeford's post! If everyone needs to check their posts with you before posting, this place would be dead.
I told you about my post since you had already posted and I did not wanted to write the same thing all over again and clutter the thread. Since @Datasinc had also replied to the same post from you I thought it would be easy for you to find the post I was talking about. I apologize. In hind sight, it may had been better to type it all out again to avoid misunderstandings.
Yes, you did use your intuition and fell a bit short. And in the spirit of debate, I pointed at the flaws I saw with the argument you proposed. Please, do not take offense to this. I've fallen short many times in my life. It took people willing to talk to me help me expand my thoughts.
Am I saying I am superior to you? Hell no. I merely pointed at some mistakes on your logic this one time and tried to explain as politely as I could why so. If you were to observe me long enough, you would get plenty of chances to help me out.
So no. I am not trying to be condescending to you in any way. If anything, I merely wanted to engage in a conversation with you. That was all.
As you probably guessed by now, English is not my first language, so I apologize if I unwittingly sounded like some asshole. After all, the fact that you are in this forum with the rest of us, means that you love this nation and the people in general.
But assuming an individual actions are suspicious or not based on statics is a clear mistake, since of course, just asserting the he is American does not in fact make it so that he is not capable of committing a crime.
Surely you understand where I am coming from with this. The part that ignored this fact is where the "racism" comes in.
Of course, we are not leftist lunatics here. And there are plenty of times when I overlooked important facts as brain fart or out of my own stupidity.
As I am sure you know. We are in a war. I personally believe in using every tool at out disposal to win. So I implore you to try and be as mindful as you can when speaking and writing. I want you to be a powerful as you can possible be as our fellow fighter for the good of this nation and mankind.
The cops should have taken into account:
There's more signs that he's just taking a walk with his son than there's signs he's up to criminal activity. Taking this all into account. Let the man go.
The cops should have taken a lot more into account.
No one not suspected of committing a crime is obligated to talk to or present ID to an officer.
Cops don't like people telling them no.
The suspected crime was obviously human trafficking. The Cop should had, while being ready for any extreme action, clearly expressed the crime suspected and proceed to clearly and politely ask the father to prove he is indeed who he claims he is. At said point they should accompany them both to their home where the father can then procure his ID, or better yet have the mother fetch it for him. It is a potentially dangerous situation for the cop. But facing danger for the sake of the people is what they are supposed to do.
5:30 am may be his usual time to take a walk with your son, But that is not a common practice and one can clearly suspect the child to be in danger after seeing this. How many more parents do you see around walking with their kids at that time?
So the problem is that the first officer failed to properly communicate with the father. More than likely due to poor ass training and never being actually taught the laws they are supposed to enforce or how to even properly do it to begin with.
And the second guy was just the usual police asshole. Who lacks understanding and is likely on a power trip. Easy pitfall when you are used to dealing with criminals. But not every one is a criminal and the police often forgets this.
It was a simple fix. Take the guy to house and checkout his story. If they were honestly that concerned for the child they would have taken the time.
This I agree with.
The precursor to everything that went wrong was the first officer failing hardcore at communication... and well, the second officer was just an asshole so... yeah...
And what human trafficker lets their mark just free walk 1-2 feet away?
Actually, You would be surprised. Grooming is complex in many way. The victim can be a "willing" participant. Or simply fooled into what they should not do. In fact, the "Coyotes" often tell the children they traffic that if they (the kids) are caught by American police they (the kids) will be thrown in jail. And kids being kids, believe them. Also in cases of American criminals they often convince they minors they predate on that they (the kids) are willing participants and would "get in trouble" if caught.
Years ago, I had the misfortune of learning of a child prostitution ring in West Palm Beach, Florida... What the children involved had to say was often extremely disturbing and mind boggling. I learned then that common sense cannot apply to these types of situations.
The thing with children is that they simply do not know better. And can be manipulated easily. So obvious restrains are often not actually needed.
And this is merely one example of the plethora of different possibilities, circumstance and specifics that can take place.
Of course the education a child has received or not is a factor that influences this matter, But in the instance you spot a child with an adult at a rather unlikely time you really should not assume that nothing wrong.
I am by no means justifying the cops either. I already posted the hows and whys of their wrongdoings. The police were clearly at fault here. But not in the way expressed before.
To properly combat a problem, one must understand the problem fully. We must arm ourselves with accurate information in order to have a shot at fixing things.
Look at this. People downvoting a perfectly reasoned response, the same people who get all upset about human trafficking any other time on this board because they lack critical thinking skills and yet will call other people sheep.
It saddens me a bit.
I don't know about "not common practice", getting your kid accustomed to exercise at an early age will pay dividends in their future lives, and plenty of people have similar routines.
But you're right, there obviously is a suspected crime. But it's not like the kid has a way to identify himself, so IDing him on its own would not really accomplish a lot.
Correct. The point is the officers frankly sucked at proper communication.
I agree, plenty of people do, but for example, here in my city (yeah I know...) you would never see something like that. It would be extremely rare and odd.
By your logic, if I were to do the same as the father I would be suspicious?
1.- I am a naturalized American. I have a hell of an accent. Does having an accent makes me not American? Also, for your information, Americans like everyone else too commit crimes. So you are not above suspicion. (This is one of the reasons the left finds it so easy to call you a racist. Because people like you are actually racist and probably do not even notice it.)
2.-The Crime the father is suspected of is obviously human trafficking. 5:30 am is not an common time for a father and son walk. How many other parents do you see walking with their kids at that time?
3.- As stated human trafficking is not always straight forward but the assumption of obvious equipment is just wrong.
While these cops did failed at their job in a rather spectacular manner. You would had done no better than them.
In reply to @Datasinc I clearly explained how the cops failed at their duties. Please read it and be better informed.
I urge you to think things clearly before mindlessly posting here. The standard for us is way higher than it should be for the average person. Do better.
"In reply to @Datasinc I clearly explained how the cops failed at their duties. Please read it and be better informed."
"mindlessly posting, we have higher standards, be better informed, do better" -
Why is it that responses to posts MUST CONTAIN VITRIOL? In your case, "polite" vitriol.
You know what? I did not read your post. I committed a great SIN.
So is everyone supposed to read all the posts before commenting? ESPECIALLY YOURS? Is that written in the handbook? Should people run their opinions by you before posting?
I saw the video, and used my discernment and INTUITION. Then I stated my opinion. Who are you to chastise me for that?
Get over yourself!
Discussions are meant to bring up different opinions, scenarios. Not just yours. I better check if my post doesn't support Drakeford's post! If everyone needs to check their posts with you before posting, this place would be dead.
Stick to the facts, ma'am.
Relax ^^. I am not you enemy.
I told you about my post since you had already posted and I did not wanted to write the same thing all over again and clutter the thread. Since @Datasinc had also replied to the same post from you I thought it would be easy for you to find the post I was talking about. I apologize. In hind sight, it may had been better to type it all out again to avoid misunderstandings.
Yes, you did use your intuition and fell a bit short. And in the spirit of debate, I pointed at the flaws I saw with the argument you proposed. Please, do not take offense to this. I've fallen short many times in my life. It took people willing to talk to me help me expand my thoughts.
Am I saying I am superior to you? Hell no. I merely pointed at some mistakes on your logic this one time and tried to explain as politely as I could why so. If you were to observe me long enough, you would get plenty of chances to help me out.
So no. I am not trying to be condescending to you in any way. If anything, I merely wanted to engage in a conversation with you. That was all.
As you probably guessed by now, English is not my first language, so I apologize if I unwittingly sounded like some asshole. After all, the fact that you are in this forum with the rest of us, means that you love this nation and the people in general.
Statistics aren’t racist. Calm down.
Correct. They are not.
But assuming an individual actions are suspicious or not based on statics is a clear mistake, since of course, just asserting the he is American does not in fact make it so that he is not capable of committing a crime.
Surely you understand where I am coming from with this. The part that ignored this fact is where the "racism" comes in.
Of course, we are not leftist lunatics here. And there are plenty of times when I overlooked important facts as brain fart or out of my own stupidity.
As I am sure you know. We are in a war. I personally believe in using every tool at out disposal to win. So I implore you to try and be as mindful as you can when speaking and writing. I want you to be a powerful as you can possible be as our fellow fighter for the good of this nation and mankind.