Stop and Search is Unconstitutional, in most States....
The only thing I would have changed is that I would have been asking them to tell me Exactly what CRIME they suspected me of having Committed, otherwise, they have No Fucking Excuse for Molesting and Abusing that man an his Son....
IF they can't name a specific CRIME, then there is No Crime, and he should be free to go, if they cannot name a specific crime that has been reported in the area, then he should be free to go....
And you sit there pretending to know law???
Please get OFF the Police Force you Jack Boot, YOU are part of the problem, not the solution....
With good Cops, it is possible to ask Questions an if they cannot answer them, you will normally be left alone....
With Bad Cops, it doesn't matter what you do, you're going to jail, because in their eyes, you're Guilty of something, they're just not sure of what just yet....
There was One Cop that didn't DO shit, he could have told the Asshole to just Drop it....
So, in my eyes, there were TWO CORRUPT COPS on scene....
As for asking questions repeatedly... what do you do when the first asshole cop is advancing and taking you down without really answering your questions?
Listen, I totally understand what you're saying. I'm agree with that. You don't seem to think that I agree with you--but look at my original post and re-read that I said both cops deserve to be fired.
You hit the nail on the head above... "because in their yes, you're Guilty of something," and that's my whole point--if you take your approach of asking questions (which is what I meant by saying test the waters) and you discern that the cop thinks you're guilty no matter what... well... that's when it's time to let him have his moment, and not do anything that jeopardizes your son, your ability to take care of your son, your self, or your ability to prosecute later that day.
You think I am a cop. Well, I'm not. I am a realist. I would have recognized in that situation that I could not win against a dirty cop with his mind made up. And that is my larger point--people need to understand what they're up against, and use body cam footage or their own cell phone footage to prosecute, rather than risk getting hurt and/or risk doing something that then nullifies the opportunity to prosecute.
All I hear from you is "rights" "rights" "rights". That's the obvious thing. What happens when the cop doesn't care about you asking your questions and just hears your questions as resistance, because he doesn't even know the law?
It occurs to me that you might be a glowie, yourself, trying to get people to do stupid shit.
I have not proclaimed to know law. So fuck you about that.
And, you still haven't said what you would do. Oh... ask them what crime you've committed?
Okay... is that as far as you can think? Then what? Obviously those two cops were not interested to answer questions or be reasonable... so whatcha gonna do now, tough guy? Pick up your son and run? Really... what's next in your scenario in which you've asked these two bad cops what crime you've committed? You think they are going to stop when they've made up their mind that they need to make sure you're not trafficking the boy?
Come on, Hoser... tell me the answer. Tell me what your magical solution is in this situation.
My solution was to navigate it differently... go along with the bullshit in the moment, and go after them later. But no... that's being a boot-licking coward in your book. So, you must not appreciate Trump's often-used strategy of looking weak when he's strong, and "we have it all" approach to getting the bad guys in a sting. That isn't a viable strategy.
So, I think you're the glowie, trying to instigate people into confronting police at every chance.
No, I always ask Questions, REPEATEDLY, until I get an answer, even if it takes all day....
First Question as I said, Do you suspect me of having committed a Crime???
If NO, Ok, am I free to leave???
If no, I repeat the first one, keep doing that, an ask for their IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR....
IF YES, Ok Officer, What Specific Crime do you suspect me of having Committed???
Again, I Ask for a Supervisor....
I didn't say shit about acting like a Tough guy, but I will Stress that people MUST know what their Rights are, an I NEVER answer questions Directly, that's a 5th Amendment thing, you're a Cop, so you probably don't know anything about that, or you were trained to flat out Reject it....
Suspicious Person is Not a Crime....
Stop and Search is Unconstitutional, in most States....
The only thing I would have changed is that I would have been asking them to tell me Exactly what CRIME they suspected me of having Committed, otherwise, they have No Fucking Excuse for Molesting and Abusing that man an his Son....
IF they can't name a specific CRIME, then there is No Crime, and he should be free to go, if they cannot name a specific crime that has been reported in the area, then he should be free to go....
And you sit there pretending to know law???
Please get OFF the Police Force you Jack Boot, YOU are part of the problem, not the solution....
And here's the ironic thing: I agree with everything you said. You've just failed to understand what I'm talking about in that context.
You say "should" quite often. He should be free to go. You're the naive one, here.
With good Cops, it is possible to ask Questions an if they cannot answer them, you will normally be left alone....
With Bad Cops, it doesn't matter what you do, you're going to jail, because in their eyes, you're Guilty of something, they're just not sure of what just yet....
There was One Cop that didn't DO shit, he could have told the Asshole to just Drop it....
So, in my eyes, there were TWO CORRUPT COPS on scene....
Now we agree on something.
As for asking questions repeatedly... what do you do when the first asshole cop is advancing and taking you down without really answering your questions?
Listen, I totally understand what you're saying. I'm agree with that. You don't seem to think that I agree with you--but look at my original post and re-read that I said both cops deserve to be fired.
You hit the nail on the head above... "because in their yes, you're Guilty of something," and that's my whole point--if you take your approach of asking questions (which is what I meant by saying test the waters) and you discern that the cop thinks you're guilty no matter what... well... that's when it's time to let him have his moment, and not do anything that jeopardizes your son, your ability to take care of your son, your self, or your ability to prosecute later that day.
You think I am a cop. Well, I'm not. I am a realist. I would have recognized in that situation that I could not win against a dirty cop with his mind made up. And that is my larger point--people need to understand what they're up against, and use body cam footage or their own cell phone footage to prosecute, rather than risk getting hurt and/or risk doing something that then nullifies the opportunity to prosecute.
All I hear from you is "rights" "rights" "rights". That's the obvious thing. What happens when the cop doesn't care about you asking your questions and just hears your questions as resistance, because he doesn't even know the law?
I hope you can see what I am trying to explain.
Not Resist at all, in any way....
Let it happen, but keep asking the same Question, WHAT CRIME AM I ACCUSED OF???
It occurs to me that you might be a glowie, yourself, trying to get people to do stupid shit.
I have not proclaimed to know law. So fuck you about that.
And, you still haven't said what you would do. Oh... ask them what crime you've committed?
Okay... is that as far as you can think? Then what? Obviously those two cops were not interested to answer questions or be reasonable... so whatcha gonna do now, tough guy? Pick up your son and run? Really... what's next in your scenario in which you've asked these two bad cops what crime you've committed? You think they are going to stop when they've made up their mind that they need to make sure you're not trafficking the boy?
Come on, Hoser... tell me the answer. Tell me what your magical solution is in this situation.
My solution was to navigate it differently... go along with the bullshit in the moment, and go after them later. But no... that's being a boot-licking coward in your book. So, you must not appreciate Trump's often-used strategy of looking weak when he's strong, and "we have it all" approach to getting the bad guys in a sting. That isn't a viable strategy.
So, I think you're the glowie, trying to instigate people into confronting police at every chance.
No, I always ask Questions, REPEATEDLY, until I get an answer, even if it takes all day....
First Question as I said, Do you suspect me of having committed a Crime???
If NO, Ok, am I free to leave???
If no, I repeat the first one, keep doing that, an ask for their IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR....
IF YES, Ok Officer, What Specific Crime do you suspect me of having Committed???
Again, I Ask for a Supervisor....
I didn't say shit about acting like a Tough guy, but I will Stress that people MUST know what their Rights are, an I NEVER answer questions Directly, that's a 5th Amendment thing, you're a Cop, so you probably don't know anything about that, or you were trained to flat out Reject it....