Darwin said his model was not complete, there was more to it than he could see.
And as for mathematicians, Tesla he say: "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation and eventually build a structure which has no basis with reality"
to me, this whole argument is a false dichotomy. it's like saying God doesn't exist because gravity exists......or that because God exists, gravity can't exist. what? we can observe the effects of evolution.
that doesn't mean our current understanding of evolution can explain humanity. the official story of man is incomplete. but we can observe the effect in other species, and the incompleteness in our understanding of humanity has been used to force a divide in the people.
I'm even doubtful of microevolution its near impossible(at least for now) to delineate between adaptations that are already in the genome and random recombination
God made tiny molecular high speed reversible electric motors just to propel bacteria, and other cells. That’s an entirely incomprehensible attention to detail, and the motors are in three independent parts that work together, but any one part wouldn’t have any “evolutionary purpose” without the other two interlocking elements of the assembly. It looks exactly like an electric motor on our scale, but it’s made of molecules. Not an accident. And that’s just for a bacterium. What a marvelous creation we’re inhabiting. Truly humbling.
Well if you're going to ask a question it's best not to go ahead and assume the answer.
The entire scientific process relies on the Christian worldview and the presuppositions therein.
The concept of microevolution, which refers to small changes within a species over time (such as variation in traits like size, color, or resistance to disease), can be aligned with biblical teachings when we consider several aspects of Scripture that acknowledge variation within kinds of creatures.
The Created Kinds
In Genesis 1, the Bible speaks of God creating various "kinds" of animals and plants. Genesis 1:24-25 says:
"And God said, 'Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle, creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind.' And it was so. God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good."
The use of the word "kind" (Hebrew: min) suggests that God created a variety of organisms with the potential for adaptation and variation within those kinds. This idea of "kinds" allows for the possibility of variation and adaptation within a species or group, which is what microevolution describes. The Bible does not indicate that each "kind" must remain static in its exact form but rather allows for change within the boundaries of the kind.
Adaptation to Environment
The Bible acknowledges that creation is subject to change and that animals and plants must survive in a fallen world (after the curse of Genesis 3). Romans 8:22 says:
"For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now."
This passage suggests that the natural world is in a state of flux, with organisms adapting to survive in a world affected by sin, decay, and death. The ability of animals and plants to adapt to environmental changes, such as developing resistance to diseases or varying in color or size, can be seen as a manifestation of microevolution.
Jacob’s Flocks and Selective Breeding
Genesis 30:37-43 provides an interesting example of selective breeding, which is a form of human-guided microevolution. Jacob used a strategy of selective breeding to increase the number of speckled and spotted sheep and goats in his flock. This example shows that selective pressure can lead to specific traits becoming more dominant over time:
"Then Jacob took fresh rods of poplar and almond and plane trees and peeled white streaks in them, exposing the white of the rods. He set the rods which he had peeled in front of the flocks in the gutters, in the watering troughs where the flocks came to drink, so that they would mate when they came to drink... Thus the man increased greatly and had large flocks..."
While this may not directly equate to microevolution in the modern scientific sense, it demonstrates the principle that creatures can be guided or influenced to change and adapt in ways that suit the environment or human needs. Over time, these small variations accumulate, which is essentially the process of microevolution.
Natural Selection and Survival
Proverbs 6:6-8 speaks of the ant's ability to store food in preparation for the future:
"Go to the ant, O sluggard; observe her ways and be wise, which, having no chief, officer, or ruler, prepares her food in the summer and gathers her provision in the harvest."
The capacity for animals to plan, adapt, and survive in different conditions is consistent with the observable natural processes of adaptation and microevolution, where certain traits or behaviors become more favorable for survival.
Post-Flood Adaptation
After the Flood, Noah released animals into a drastically changed environment. Genesis 8:17 says:
"Bring out with you every living thing that is with you of all flesh—birds and animals and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth—that they may breed abundantly on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth."
The Bible suggests that animals repopulated the earth and spread across diverse habitats. As they did so, it's reasonable to assume that microevolutionary changes (small adaptations) allowed them to thrive in new and varied environments. The process of animals adapting to different climates and ecosystems would involve the kind of small-scale variations and changes that are described by microevolution.
Summary
Scripture supports the possibility of microevolution, or small-scale changes within kinds, through its acknowledgment of variation within created kinds, adaptation to environments, selective breeding, and the survival mechanisms that creatures use to thrive. The biblical idea of "kinds" does not preclude change but rather allows for adaptation within God-ordained limits. Microevolution, as an observable process, does not conflict with a biblical worldview but can be understood as part of God's design for creation to adapt and survive in a dynamic world.
Do you have any other questions you'd like to assume the answer to or did I cover that for you?
AI seems to have covered it quite well for you. But you're still forcing an interpretation of scripture.
Small changes add up over time, leading to larger changes. This is no different than any other worldly process that God frequently works through.
Satan was an angel! is that change "within the boundaries of the kind"?
your reasoning is ultimately based on culture and politics, which dictates that one can believe in either science or politics. your AI has not provided any logical reason to assume that evolution cannot lead to major changes in a species.
based on observing compounding changes, we know that it can.
zero evidence of species changes? that's not true at all. small changes add up over time, leading to different classifications.
we do have a gap in the fossil record that means evolution can't account for humanity by itself. that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
it's the same false dichotomy of asking whether God saved Trump from the assassination, or whether he just happened to turn his head at the right time. To those that know what's going on, the answer is clearly both. There is no conflict between the two concepts.
The fossil record does not provide direct evidence of one species transforming into a completely different species in a single, observable step. However, it does offer a substantial body of evidence for the gradual process of speciation over long periods of time through what is called "transitional fossils." These fossils display traits that are intermediate between ancestral and descendant species, which evolutionary biologists interpret as evidence of gradual change over time. Examples include:
Tiktaalik – This fossil represents a transitional form between fish and early land-dwelling tetrapods, showing features of both aquatic and terrestrial organisms.
Archaeopteryx – This species shows both reptilian and avian characteristics, being considered a transitional fossil between non-avian dinosaurs and birds.
Australopithecus – A hominin species that is considered a transitional form in the evolution of modern humans, showing a blend of ape-like and human-like traits.
However, from a Judeo-Christian worldview, the interpretation of these fossils is seen differently. According to the Biblical account of creation in Genesis, God created distinct "kinds" of creatures. This view holds that while variations within a kind (what might be considered microevolution) are observable and scientifically valid, the idea that one kind can evolve into a completely different kind (macroevolution) lacks direct observational evidence. In this view, transitional fossils are often interpreted not as proof of one species turning into another but as variation within created kinds or as distinct species altogether.
The fossil record, while informative, remains incomplete, and interpretations are influenced by both worldview and scientific framework.
A set of genes are more adaptable than people realize. It struck me that the woman that trained in freezing water to swim across the baring strait developed a seal like layer of fat to keep her body warm.
Just because there was evolution that does not prove that God was not behind it. They seem to assume that God would have delivered the final product all at once but He (sorry if that is not the right pronoun!) might have factored in evolution.
When God designed vertebrates, He had only one basic idea. We used to have skeletons of assorted animals round the walls of the biology lab at my school. When you see them all together like that you realise that only one idea formed the basis for every vertebrate.
OK, there may be different numbers of vertebra or length of tail or number of teeth but basically everything was the same. Fish might have three bones attached to their vertebra but other animals have two and a stub. Birds don't have conventional ribs because they are fused and they have a prominent sternum to attach the wing muscles.
Some snakes even have shoulder blades and legs! They just did not develop.
Human embryos look like fish embryos in the very first stages. See how many different animals start. Humans start with gill-like structures and tails. Some people are even born with tails!
Do some research. We were created by Enki, using the dna from homo erectus and the Annunaki to create Homo sapiens. That is why Darwin could never find the missing link.
Darwin said his model was not complete, there was more to it than he could see.
And as for mathematicians, Tesla he say: "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation and eventually build a structure which has no basis with reality"
to me, this whole argument is a false dichotomy. it's like saying God doesn't exist because gravity exists......or that because God exists, gravity can't exist. what? we can observe the effects of evolution.
that doesn't mean our current understanding of evolution can explain humanity. the official story of man is incomplete. but we can observe the effect in other species, and the incompleteness in our understanding of humanity has been used to force a divide in the people.
The only type of evolution we have ever seen or proved scientifically is microevolution.
Everything else is just theories of macroevolution without proof.
Guess which type is compatible with creationism and the biblical account in Scripture and which one isn't?
I'm even doubtful of microevolution its near impossible(at least for now) to delineate between adaptations that are already in the genome and random recombination
does Scripture also talk about microevolution?
or does it say that there is more of the story yet to be told?
it is a false dichotomy. God is compatible with many scientific principles.
God made tiny molecular high speed reversible electric motors just to propel bacteria, and other cells. That’s an entirely incomprehensible attention to detail, and the motors are in three independent parts that work together, but any one part wouldn’t have any “evolutionary purpose” without the other two interlocking elements of the assembly. It looks exactly like an electric motor on our scale, but it’s made of molecules. Not an accident. And that’s just for a bacterium. What a marvelous creation we’re inhabiting. Truly humbling.
Well if you're going to ask a question it's best not to go ahead and assume the answer.
The entire scientific process relies on the Christian worldview and the presuppositions therein.
The concept of microevolution, which refers to small changes within a species over time (such as variation in traits like size, color, or resistance to disease), can be aligned with biblical teachings when we consider several aspects of Scripture that acknowledge variation within kinds of creatures.
In Genesis 1, the Bible speaks of God creating various "kinds" of animals and plants. Genesis 1:24-25 says:
The use of the word "kind" (Hebrew: min) suggests that God created a variety of organisms with the potential for adaptation and variation within those kinds. This idea of "kinds" allows for the possibility of variation and adaptation within a species or group, which is what microevolution describes. The Bible does not indicate that each "kind" must remain static in its exact form but rather allows for change within the boundaries of the kind.
The Bible acknowledges that creation is subject to change and that animals and plants must survive in a fallen world (after the curse of Genesis 3). Romans 8:22 says:
This passage suggests that the natural world is in a state of flux, with organisms adapting to survive in a world affected by sin, decay, and death. The ability of animals and plants to adapt to environmental changes, such as developing resistance to diseases or varying in color or size, can be seen as a manifestation of microevolution.
Genesis 30:37-43 provides an interesting example of selective breeding, which is a form of human-guided microevolution. Jacob used a strategy of selective breeding to increase the number of speckled and spotted sheep and goats in his flock. This example shows that selective pressure can lead to specific traits becoming more dominant over time:
While this may not directly equate to microevolution in the modern scientific sense, it demonstrates the principle that creatures can be guided or influenced to change and adapt in ways that suit the environment or human needs. Over time, these small variations accumulate, which is essentially the process of microevolution.
Proverbs 6:6-8 speaks of the ant's ability to store food in preparation for the future:
The capacity for animals to plan, adapt, and survive in different conditions is consistent with the observable natural processes of adaptation and microevolution, where certain traits or behaviors become more favorable for survival.
After the Flood, Noah released animals into a drastically changed environment. Genesis 8:17 says:
The Bible suggests that animals repopulated the earth and spread across diverse habitats. As they did so, it's reasonable to assume that microevolutionary changes (small adaptations) allowed them to thrive in new and varied environments. The process of animals adapting to different climates and ecosystems would involve the kind of small-scale variations and changes that are described by microevolution.
Summary
Scripture supports the possibility of microevolution, or small-scale changes within kinds, through its acknowledgment of variation within created kinds, adaptation to environments, selective breeding, and the survival mechanisms that creatures use to thrive. The biblical idea of "kinds" does not preclude change but rather allows for adaptation within God-ordained limits. Microevolution, as an observable process, does not conflict with a biblical worldview but can be understood as part of God's design for creation to adapt and survive in a dynamic world.
Do you have any other questions you'd like to assume the answer to or did I cover that for you?
AI seems to have covered it quite well for you. But you're still forcing an interpretation of scripture.
Small changes add up over time, leading to larger changes. This is no different than any other worldly process that God frequently works through.
Satan was an angel! is that change "within the boundaries of the kind"?
your reasoning is ultimately based on culture and politics, which dictates that one can believe in either science or politics. your AI has not provided any logical reason to assume that evolution cannot lead to major changes in a species.
based on observing compounding changes, we know that it can.
stop feeding the psyop.
We have evidence of small changes. We have a zero evidence of species changes.
Scripture is backing up scientific evidence and scientific evidence is backing up scripture.
Occam's razor.
zero evidence of species changes? that's not true at all. small changes add up over time, leading to different classifications.
we do have a gap in the fossil record that means evolution can't account for humanity by itself. that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
it's the same false dichotomy of asking whether God saved Trump from the assassination, or whether he just happened to turn his head at the right time. To those that know what's going on, the answer is clearly both. There is no conflict between the two concepts.
The fossil record does not provide direct evidence of one species transforming into a completely different species in a single, observable step. However, it does offer a substantial body of evidence for the gradual process of speciation over long periods of time through what is called "transitional fossils." These fossils display traits that are intermediate between ancestral and descendant species, which evolutionary biologists interpret as evidence of gradual change over time. Examples include:
Tiktaalik – This fossil represents a transitional form between fish and early land-dwelling tetrapods, showing features of both aquatic and terrestrial organisms.
Archaeopteryx – This species shows both reptilian and avian characteristics, being considered a transitional fossil between non-avian dinosaurs and birds.
Australopithecus – A hominin species that is considered a transitional form in the evolution of modern humans, showing a blend of ape-like and human-like traits.
However, from a Judeo-Christian worldview, the interpretation of these fossils is seen differently. According to the Biblical account of creation in Genesis, God created distinct "kinds" of creatures. This view holds that while variations within a kind (what might be considered microevolution) are observable and scientifically valid, the idea that one kind can evolve into a completely different kind (macroevolution) lacks direct observational evidence. In this view, transitional fossils are often interpreted not as proof of one species turning into another but as variation within created kinds or as distinct species altogether.
The fossil record, while informative, remains incomplete, and interpretations are influenced by both worldview and scientific framework.
I'm not going to address your straw man.
Typical surface dweller that never dives deeper than natural selection to see how big of a lie evolution is. Are you vaccinated too?
you're barking up the wrong tree lol
Survival of the fittest is not right. It’s survival of the sufficient. Just fast enough not to get eaten, etc.
Or survival of the most adaptable?
A set of genes are more adaptable than people realize. It struck me that the woman that trained in freezing water to swim across the baring strait developed a seal like layer of fat to keep her body warm.
Just because there was evolution that does not prove that God was not behind it. They seem to assume that God would have delivered the final product all at once but He (sorry if that is not the right pronoun!) might have factored in evolution.
When God designed vertebrates, He had only one basic idea. We used to have skeletons of assorted animals round the walls of the biology lab at my school. When you see them all together like that you realise that only one idea formed the basis for every vertebrate.
OK, there may be different numbers of vertebra or length of tail or number of teeth but basically everything was the same. Fish might have three bones attached to their vertebra but other animals have two and a stub. Birds don't have conventional ribs because they are fused and they have a prominent sternum to attach the wing muscles.
Some snakes even have shoulder blades and legs! They just did not develop.
Human embryos look like fish embryos in the very first stages. See how many different animals start. Humans start with gill-like structures and tails. Some people are even born with tails!
“Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny”
Succinctly put.
I'm not good at math so I just take God at His Word. And i dont argue about it.
Do some research. We were created by Enki, using the dna from homo erectus and the Annunaki to create Homo sapiens. That is why Darwin could never find the missing link.
No.
Research the Bible. God created man and woman, not some aliens.
Q posts use scripture and call on the name of God. They don't mention Enki.
Darwin couldn't find the missing link because macroevolution has never been proven because..... It conflicts with the biblical account of creation.
The only type of evolution that exists is microevolution.
The Bible was written to control humans, as with all religions. Think about this, every religion believes they are right and the rest are mistaken.
You do not stand with Q then.
Think logically.
Either all religions are wrong or ONE is right.
Which one does Q quote?
GTFO of here with your secular BS.
Wow! Your name has satan in it, me thinks something is afoot.
Your name has dopie idiot in it .
I will always be better at this than you.
Wow! I’m impressed. It’ll go well for you when you die and meet your maker.
I'll be upstairs.... Right above you.
Hmmm! You could be right, but first learn to count. I only see one i, not three. Must be from your grade three education.
Lol you replied to the same comment twice!
You must be BIG MAD!
(and we were using letters from usernames. At no point did we lay out rules they could only be used once)
Here's a few more:
Pathetic
Deadbeat
Doted
Parrot
Tepid
See? Still better than you.
He never looked for it, he studied turtles and sea birds.