Purpose:
This post is essentially to remind everyone that without an OPEN MIND to ideas that directly contradict our current beliefs, zero new learning can occur.
Anyone could be forgiven for calling me pretentious; it's not lost on me. But how many others on here 'like' and actively welcome comments of disagreement on their OP? u/Bubble_Bursts? lol
I never know what someone else knows, that's why I value thoughtful rebuttals particularly.
On the importance of an open mind and always seeking truth.
I touched on the main point of this post yesterday on a post by u/xchainlinkx titled "IDF murders American human rights activist"
Does anyone else find it interesting… Or has it crossed anyone else's mind… That the relatively new (majority) opinion among Digital Soldiers re the Israel/Palestine issue is right where Trump and Q team wanted us to ultimately end up?
There are several commonly held opinions & positions that Trump/Q could never have 'told us to have.'
We had to go through this pause to come to the conclusion ourselves. Never forget, the legacy majority opinion is usually the wrong one.
"YOU MUST SHOW THEM..." was never just for the normies.
There WILL BE more to come as far as our opinions and beliefs…
A big one for myself was on (mainstream) Religion. Grew up non-denominational Christian. Christian school, church twice a week. Hard pill to swallow for many, myself included. If you've ever read any of my comments before, there's a 50/50 chance I was quoting Jesus somewhere in it. Trust me when I say it's a pill I had to swallow years ago when I was spending 14hrs/day researching not just Q, but more broadly, the topics he spoke about.
From the Judeo-Christian/western perspective, Where did the concept of child sacrifice originate?
Next:
The [Roman] Catholic Church:
Started by Rome
Endorsed by Rome
Assembled by Rome
...including what books they 'allowed' to become the Bible... (council of Nicaea)
WHO incited Rome to kill Jesus?
Whose power was threatened?
See where I'm going with this?
And again don't get me wrong… The only one that quotes scripture here more than I do is probably u/Penisse lol.
I want to end by saying I don't encourage anyone to agree with me because of this short post. That's not the aim.
My goal is to plant a seed in the open-minded among you who, through their own love of Jesus Christ and Truth would be motivated to dig further.
The above is just one area where we as individuals must unlearn what we have learned. Seek and you WILL find.
The collective must come to the conclusion on an individual person by person basis.
Trump and Q team will meet us on the other side.
WWG1WGA!
EDIT:
Credit to u/randomacct1024 for the legitimate comment:
I don't think God would have allowed the bible to be corrupted.
Decide for yourself:
In the days of the antiparasitic drug Ivermectin easily curing many illnesses… You guys will love this one:
Jesus speaking to his disciples who were trying to cast out a demon the way he taught them but were unable to… "This kind (of demon) be not removed but by prayer and fasting" ~Matthew 17:21
⬆️ Removed from many translations of the Bible, especially newer ones:
Do you know what else Fasting does?
Kills many parasites! 👀
List (incomplete) of NT Verses that have been removed from some translations of the Bible:
Matthew 17:21
Matthew 18:11
Matthew 23:14
Mark 7:16
Mark 9:44 and 9:46
Mark 11:26
Mark 15:28
Luke 17:36
In 1684, Pope Innocent XI (🙄) ordered the removal of 14 books from most versions of the Bible, except for the 1611 English translation. These books included 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, The Rest of Esther, The Wisdom of Solomon, and 8 others...
Don't take my word for it. Just seek. You will find friends.
Thanks John. Lotta work in your name that I respect. Here's to chime in a couple perspectives from c/Christianity, where we discuss these a lot.
I say the Bible is holographic, meaning that the whole of the message shines through even if you don't have much of it. For thousands of years nobody had "all" of it, only that which had been revealed so far. By the time the last was revealed the first had already received many textual variants. So nobody on earth has ever had "the whole Bible" consisting of all the autographs at once.
This means a little wrangling over nonessentials won't hurt us. Even if we limit ourselves to the verses undisputably in the 66 protocanonical books, we have all we need. If we add the dozens of (often repetitive) verses removed in the 19th century from the "common" Bible because of "higher scholarship" under Hort-Westcott provenance, we only have a couple extra windows on the basics. Yes, Jesus's statement about fasting was removed from Matt. 17:21 and in part from Mark 9:29, but nobody could remove "when ye fast" / "when thou fastest" from Matt. 6:16-17, nor could anyone remove the collective tradition of the connection from fasting to exorcism. If we add the (variously counted) deuterocanonical 7 books and 2 sections that were also lost in printing earlier in the 19th century, we don't add much, mostly conflicted narratives, but nothing that a single doctrine is drawn from. If we add the extra (maybe?) 14 books that the Orthodox count as deuteros but the Catholics don't as of the 17th century (but I think these were excluded in Trent in the 16th also), the same is true. The holographic Bible still prevails.
Besides the dozens of verses previously accepted by most all as protocanonical (just use KJV 1769 standard to solve this problem), in textual criticism I uncover several variant readings that nobody tells us about. Until recently nobody carried the variant Mark 16:9 "short ending", but it's profitable and well worth a footnote. There are a lot more such texts, but big publishers don't want to overload people with them when there are so many more familiar variants. Every time I find one like the short ending, I get a new clerestory view of one cultural detail not often taught; but I don't get any new doctrine. So these are just gleanings on the way but the Way itself is well-marked.
There are also a wealth of books that give great human history around the Bible that have never been received by the covenant people as God's Word. I love these and many church leaders recognize they're profitable to read if you treat them as human books. I'm partial to the Odes of Solomon, 1 Enoch, and lately Ignatius of Rome, and someday I'll make time for the Sibylline Oracles. The church often shies away from teaching about these books to protect against the risk of their misinterpretation, and this protectionism may be a bit too heavy, but those who run with false doctrine because of such books are certainly much heavier in their error.
Now let's speak Anne Frankly about the Jews, which is what got me banned at ConPro (looking for people to put in good words). I always say, feel free to criticize individual Jews, and feel free to cite demographic evidence, but don't blame the innocent of any people group along with the guilty. What you do here is to intimate rather than speak frankly, but that's unnecessary because all that people need here is to follow that rule. Don't say "the Catholics" do this, say inquisitor Matthieu Ory oversaw the condemnation of Servetus to death. Don't say "the Jews" do that, say Benito Garcia confessed to a ritual child murder in 1491 and was executed. The perceived right to stereotype is the whole problem, and the use of indirection to speak of these issues is just a symptom of it.
Of course a handful of Jewish leaders, supported by an astroturf mob of hundreds, called for Jesus's death, and invoked a hasty curse on themselves and their people. However, Acts 4-5 shows that many if not all of this mob became some of the first 5,000 Christians. So there's no "the Jews" there.
Of course no other books besides 66 of them rose over time to be received as the protocanonical Bible. Every one of these went through the ranks of the covenant people for hundreds of years until it was sufficiently tested to account it placement in the canon. Every other book the covenant people has reviewed has never risen to that level of success under the same scrutiny. They were never "deleted" from the protocanon, but there were always arguments about how much influence and range the deuterocanon should have. So there was no suppression of other books, there was just never the staying power and divine inspiration found in any other book that rose it to the level of protocanon. Rather, there was always a clear demarc between the protocanon and any other book not in it.
Of course child sacrifice goes very far back, but it's a perversion of the gospel of Gen. 3. God revealed that the seed (child) of the woman would be bruised for sin, and so the enemy twisted this into the gospel of personal affluence by seminal (self) destruction. Before Abraham, child sacrifice was rampant (leading to what historians call Canaanite collapse), but Abraham learned that there was a truer, older seed-of-woman model that transcended and shamed the corruption, and he participated in acting out the proof of this model. So the fact that the enemy corrupted Israel later with the same Nimrod doctrine that had always been so successful at cooption before in every other nation is not relevant for determining its origin.
In short, the enemy is spiritual, the demons and those they have captured (except as we plunder their hostages). We fight satanists, luciferians, defined by allegiance, not any people group defined by upbringing. Behind "it's the Jews" (allowing a little criticism of the Jews as cultivating a divide-and-conquer strategy as hinted by Ron Paul) is an even more rewarding proposition "it's the satanists". This also allows us to continue evangelizing those same Jews, of which about a million accept Jesus as Messiah.
Thank you u/SwampRangers for the kind words. I always find your posts thoroughly insightful. I can't overstate enough how much I appreciate thoughtful responses.
After looking back at my post, through the lens of your comment, I feel there is one very important line that I left out. A quote that I have posted here countless times but unfortunately forgot to put in this post.
"...I will make those of The SYNAGOGUE of SATAN, who say that they are Jews and are not, but do lie, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will know that I have loved you." ~Revelation 3:9
Without this quote, I feel it leaves the OP open for misunderstanding of my position. Also, speaking of how the Bible has been altered was not a part of the OP but rather an addition based on someone commenting that they did not believe God would allow the Bible to be altered, and therefore Satan deceives us in every other possible way, but not there… At the same time, Q clearly pointed out Satan now controls the head of Christianity (Roman Catholic Church) that birthed all the other denominations.
As the Gospel of Thomas clearly illustrates, Jesus did not teach a "celestial monarchy."
"When you come to know yourselves then you will be known that you will discover that it is you who are the sons and daughters of the living father…"
"Let one who seeks not stop seeking until he finds. For when he finds he will be troubled, then he will be amazed, then he will reign over the All."
(So we can reign over the All?)
Jesus's disciples said to him tell us where the kingdom is… Jesus said to them, 'if the religious rulers say to you it is in the sky, then the birds have preceded you. And if they say to you it is in the sea, then the fish have preceded you. Rather the Kingdom is both inside you and outside you but you do not see it.'
"These miracles you will do and greater."
A lot of us are deceived to think Jesus was the only legitimate son of God, and we are just the bastard children. That way we do not seek our Father's inheritance. Satan (Evil) is stupid but he isn't dumb eh?
It does not say "God made Adam…" It says "God made MAN in his own image and likeness."
We have free will to sin, but we are not born stained by sin.
Jesus said:
"Let the weak say I am strong." (Told to lie?)
"As a man thinks, so is he." (Sinner eh?)
"... rather, it is what comes out of your mouth that will defile you."
You see… "I am a sinner" and "I am weak" is not the truth. THAT's the LIE friends. How cute that Satan got virtually all of God's children to confess with their tongues "I am a sinner."
"The power of life and death is in the tongue."
Whatever you add to I AM is added unto YOU!
"Original sin" is the single greatest mechanism of control ever created in the history of mankind. Interesting how God's man, Donald Trump, said he had never asked God for forgiveness?
He knows something, as do I.
"And you shall KNOW the truth and the truth shall set you FREE.
Gospel of Thomas paints a completely different picture than what the Roman Catholic Church wanted mankind to believe.
Because then we can have a personal relationship with our Heavenly Father and we Don't 👏🏽 Need 👏🏽 Them 👏🏽
So when atheists tell me humans came from monkeys, I agree with them that they probably came from a monkey, but I did not.
Likewise let the sinners proclaim with their tongue they are sinners, and they will sin.
And let the Children of God say I AM His son.
Thank you again for your comment… Something that thorough would've taken me an hour + to type.
Soon I'm going to post about Ignatius to Philadelphia as it gives a much different meaning of Jesus to Philadelphia than usually received here.
I don't give satan any credit, so in particular he has no power to stop the holographic message of the Bible from getting through despite chipping away at the pieces of the hologram.
Q didn't say satan controls the RCC, he quoted Vigano at length who describes the situation in great detail and very accurately as infiltration with hope for the invisible church to engage recovery soon.
I'll just note that u/Graphenium is the other Thomas reader here. Your Thomas quotes are not much different from the protocanon. There are some Thomas quotes that require better context work to understand.
I was just studying that Jesus is the Monogenerate Son, the only to be begotten in his way. We are natural sons by creation, and also adopted sons after our fall; we will be like him; he will always remain unique.
Since you quote Gen. 1:26, the original word for man is of course 'adam, which is both title and name. We, like Jesus, each have rights to be an 'adam. But everybody else has fallen short and must trust Jesus.
There's plenty of argument over the degree of "stain by sin" and other concepts. Pursuit of holiness is great if one doesn't get so proud as to think one isn't sinning when lots of others are seeing one is.
In short, I love holiness teaching. It must also remember: If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Sin… Meaning "to miss the mark." Originally an archery term.
Yes all miss the mark in the way that we look for God outside of ourselves when He is in us and we are his children. Original sin… Trapping souls since it was first thought up.
If there is nothing in the universe except God, how could we ever be separate from him, save for if we believe we are separate from him?
u/#q1002
Q998:
The "Chair" serves the Master.
Who is the Master?
P = C.
Q
If the pope is the chairman, then who is the master? The answer was well understood by SerialBrain2 and the anons at the time Q was writing it.