Is interest (what you call "usury") evil? Not according to the New Testament, where bankers and interest are taken as a normality of life. See Matthew 25:27-30 and Luke 19:20-23. It was forbidden only among Jews by the Old Testament, in times where the issues were desperate famine or poverty. It was allowed between Jew and Gentile. Slaves were also allowed. Are you going to say that slavery is now allowed, on the same basis that you are saying interest is not?
Money is an asset. Assets can be rented, and money is no different. Are you arguing that the neighbor who rents his apartment makes it more expensive for you to rent your apartment? You have no idea how a market works, and you have no idea that no civic ill comes from rents, for free trade is only the voluntary exchange of assets and money.
The slave ships were owned mainly by Portuguese or Muslims. That is irrelevant, unless you are working in the topic of blood crimes against a race, which is collectivism.
You have no argument, only rationalizations. Interest is not evil. Many people need to borrow money for valid reasons, at the price of repayment. You cannot condemn anyone for what they do as free citizens, for otherwise you must also condemn the creditor.
Slavery is wrong.
Many things are wrong
Many things exist tgat we wish didn't exist.
Usury shoukd not exist. There is no counter argument. Full stop. You are morally wrong for defending usury. Full stop. It's like defending abortion. It's wrong period.
The slave ships were owned by jews and masons - try again.
Charging rent is evil. You do not get to charge ppl to live.
Everyone should own. Nearly everyone 5-10% will rent. But everyone not incapable should own the property they call home.
We are not free .... how silly of you to put forth that claim .....
Of course there is a "counter-argument." I gave it. It is a free-will transaction of a market commodity. No one is harmed by it, although people often complain about paying a price for anything. Should everything be free? Not likely. Should we countenance theft? I don't think so.
You are an anti-free-market nut job. You see evil all around you, while the rest of society sees it as a helpful necessity. No sin is committed. Bankers were accepted in the time of Christ, where it was expected that debts would be repaid with interest.
So, let me get this straight---you condemn all Jews because you want to live like an orthodox Jew? But you don't condemn gentiles?
I take my advice from a tenured professor in accounting. All loans should be government loans and should be interest free.
The Bible backs him with the interpretation that usury of any kind at any rate is inherently not beneficial to society as a whole. Ofc it exists. It shouldn't. But it does. And yes you can participate in it freely if you choose to. I chose not to. As a result I'm poor. I'm okay with the consequences of that belief.
Nothing is free. I agree. But we can have ppl live comfortably without having to pay hundreds n hundreds over n over n over with no prospect of ever owning anything. Why work hard? So you can have another Lamborghini? Like? Good for you? I live in a cage. I work in a cage and you think your witness of Christ Resurrected is just ..... a beaming light of hope to the world bc obviously christ blessed you and redeemed you and if i act like you, work hard, then i too can buy a property and make money doing nothing too and then i can start a business and once i can pay someone less than they're worth, and they agree to it, i can exploit them, in perpetuity....
Ain't it great?
No thanks fren. I hope I'm blessed with wealth but not at anyone's exploitation.
"Should" according to who and where? You are evading the fact that this is an Old Testament injunction to be followed by Jews among Jews. It does not apply to Jews lending money to Gentiles ("foreigners"). It completely does not apply to Gentiles. Are you a Jew? Do you want to alter the Constitution to forbid interest-bearing loans? If you don't, and you are willing to let a free market prevail, then you are sounding a trumpet at the mountains. The mountains don't care...and neither do I. You can wear your righteousness on a shirt, for all the good it will do you.
No one is exploited who has the freedom to make financial arrangements to their own purpose and preference. Banks are not sending out dragoon squads to bring people in to be creditors. It is perhaps pointless to explain to you that sometimes it makes more sense to obtain an asset first, to gain the means of increasing income, and thereby repay the asset over time. It sounds like that arrangement is beyond your ken.
Casting scorn on "usury" is NOT a purpose of this site.
Is interest (what you call "usury") evil? Not according to the New Testament, where bankers and interest are taken as a normality of life. See Matthew 25:27-30 and Luke 19:20-23. It was forbidden only among Jews by the Old Testament, in times where the issues were desperate famine or poverty. It was allowed between Jew and Gentile. Slaves were also allowed. Are you going to say that slavery is now allowed, on the same basis that you are saying interest is not?
Money is an asset. Assets can be rented, and money is no different. Are you arguing that the neighbor who rents his apartment makes it more expensive for you to rent your apartment? You have no idea how a market works, and you have no idea that no civic ill comes from rents, for free trade is only the voluntary exchange of assets and money.
The slave ships were owned mainly by Portuguese or Muslims. That is irrelevant, unless you are working in the topic of blood crimes against a race, which is collectivism.
You have no argument, only rationalizations. Interest is not evil. Many people need to borrow money for valid reasons, at the price of repayment. You cannot condemn anyone for what they do as free citizens, for otherwise you must also condemn the creditor.
Slavery is wrong. Many things are wrong
Many things exist tgat we wish didn't exist.
Usury shoukd not exist. There is no counter argument. Full stop. You are morally wrong for defending usury. Full stop. It's like defending abortion. It's wrong period.
The slave ships were owned by jews and masons - try again.
Charging rent is evil. You do not get to charge ppl to live.
Everyone should own. Nearly everyone 5-10% will rent. But everyone not incapable should own the property they call home.
We are not free .... how silly of you to put forth that claim .....
Of course there is a "counter-argument." I gave it. It is a free-will transaction of a market commodity. No one is harmed by it, although people often complain about paying a price for anything. Should everything be free? Not likely. Should we countenance theft? I don't think so.
You are an anti-free-market nut job. You see evil all around you, while the rest of society sees it as a helpful necessity. No sin is committed. Bankers were accepted in the time of Christ, where it was expected that debts would be repaid with interest.
So, let me get this straight---you condemn all Jews because you want to live like an orthodox Jew? But you don't condemn gentiles?
I take my advice from a tenured professor in accounting. All loans should be government loans and should be interest free.
The Bible backs him with the interpretation that usury of any kind at any rate is inherently not beneficial to society as a whole. Ofc it exists. It shouldn't. But it does. And yes you can participate in it freely if you choose to. I chose not to. As a result I'm poor. I'm okay with the consequences of that belief.
Nothing is free. I agree. But we can have ppl live comfortably without having to pay hundreds n hundreds over n over n over with no prospect of ever owning anything. Why work hard? So you can have another Lamborghini? Like? Good for you? I live in a cage. I work in a cage and you think your witness of Christ Resurrected is just ..... a beaming light of hope to the world bc obviously christ blessed you and redeemed you and if i act like you, work hard, then i too can buy a property and make money doing nothing too and then i can start a business and once i can pay someone less than they're worth, and they agree to it, i can exploit them, in perpetuity....
Ain't it great?
No thanks fren. I hope I'm blessed with wealth but not at anyone's exploitation.
"Should" according to who and where? You are evading the fact that this is an Old Testament injunction to be followed by Jews among Jews. It does not apply to Jews lending money to Gentiles ("foreigners"). It completely does not apply to Gentiles. Are you a Jew? Do you want to alter the Constitution to forbid interest-bearing loans? If you don't, and you are willing to let a free market prevail, then you are sounding a trumpet at the mountains. The mountains don't care...and neither do I. You can wear your righteousness on a shirt, for all the good it will do you.
No one is exploited who has the freedom to make financial arrangements to their own purpose and preference. Banks are not sending out dragoon squads to bring people in to be creditors. It is perhaps pointless to explain to you that sometimes it makes more sense to obtain an asset first, to gain the means of increasing income, and thereby repay the asset over time. It sounds like that arrangement is beyond your ken.
Casting scorn on "usury" is NOT a purpose of this site.