The rapture is the greatest lie the devil has ever injected into the church. It has neutered the modern church.
No one polishes brass on a sinking ship.
Edit: here's a YT playlist of some of the best sermons, discussions, debates, and presentations on the end times.... with the best minds from all major positions represented.
These are all very well respected theologians, pastors and scholars and not some weird fringe nutters trying to sell you food buckets and prayer cloths.
Pre-mil, amil, post-mil, pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, none of it matters for salvation. None of it should change your faith or how you praise Jesus. We are saved by faith and faith inspires works. Only faith saves you and only faith continues God’s will on earth.
Eschatology is given to us to inspire hope. He told us the end from the beginning to comfort us. Not to separate and judge each other. Think about it, nobody knows anything for certain regarding unfulfilled prophecy. While God has revealed enough for us to know Him by His characteristics, nobody knows His mind or how He will carry out His plans. How can we be prepared no matter what happens? Living in the Spirit of Christ.
Live in the Spirit and you will know what “you” need to know. Live in the Spirit and you will be comforted by what “you” need to be comforted with. Above all, live in the Spirit and the narrow path will be wide enough for “you”.
Pre-mil, amil, post-mil, pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, none of it matters for salvation. None of it should change your faith or how you praise Jesus.
Never said it did. But it does matter for other reasons. There's a difference between praising Jesus that he will rule on earth one day and praising Jesus because he's ruling right now.
Not to..... and judge each other
Christians are commanded to judge each other by God's standards. In fact you just judged me for judging didn't you? So are you a hypocrite or do you maybe have an inconsistent view of what scripture commands?
Live in the Spirit and you will know what “you” need to know.
Hardly. You're not commanded to live by the spirit alone. Your commanded to study and meditate on God's word as well.
Eschatology matters. It affects how you fight, build, and interact with the world.
As I said before, no one polishes brass on a sinking ship. If you think you're about to be yeeted into heaven are you going to fight, build, and take Dominion and start projects that your great-grandchildren will have to finish? Doubtful.
My church is Post Mill. We run EndAbortionNow.com and wrote the amicus brief that overturned Roe v Wade. We have bills of full abolition criminalization pending all over the nation. We have shut down multiple abortion clinics and saved countless babies and equipped churches all over the world to fight abortion In a biblical manner. We know this fight is gods. We know all we have to do is be faithful and step out in faith and do the work and God will give us the victory. Whereas other churches simply see abortion as a sign of the end times and refuse to do anything about it. Eschatology matters.
I frequently see churches with pessimistic eschatological views and positions being wildly ineffective to the world and the culture and their communities at large. I don't think this is an accident. If I was the enemy I would see this as a total victory.
Typical combative religious answer. You flaunt your knowledge and works as if you are superior. Pharisee much? Studying the word is a given, I never said live in the Spirit ignorantly. Your church isn’t the only defender of life. Please continue to qualify your earned authority on unfulfilled prophecy. Give it a rest.There are really strong arguments on more than one line of thought. None conclusive in my opinion. Yes we should stand in strong opposition to evil and bring more hearts to Jesus even more so. Let’s not bicker about what might come in the future. If your heart is right with God, come what may, you will be prepared to go about the Father’s work in whatever scenario you find yourself in.
Combative? No. Conflicting beliefs? Yes. That's called a discussion. Religious? Yes. Christianity IS a religion.... based upon God's Word which is the standard. This is super simple stuff.
You flaunt your knowledge and works as if you are superior.
I was sharing knowledge.... IN A DISCUSSION which is EXACTLY what you are doing too. As for works.... I was demonstrating what the differing views of end times lead to. I could easily give you many other examples from other post-mill churches such as the wonderful work of Christ Church in Moscow Idaho. IDC who does the work and is faithful to God, I want children saved from death. I want churches fighting the culture and being hated for it. I want us to be salt and light. Full stop.
Pharisee much?
LOL you don't even understand what that means. If you are gonna use that in the future I suggest you familiarize yourself with it. I'll help you out.... It describes someone who is hypocritical or overly focused on religious rituals without true understanding or sincerity. Quit throwing around popular evangelical terms you don't understand.
No one was bickering. despite that, you tried to make some pretty stupid and baseless personal attacks against me. You just had your feathers ruffled because i swept the legs out from under some of your other arguments and took it personally. I was addressing your position, not you. You did not respond in kind so here we are. Pearls to swine.
I would recommend you walk away from this one. You don't seem to have the temperament for the exchange of ideas in a productive manor and at a certain point I may choose to start actually punching back which believe me, I haven't even remotely done. I thought we were having a brotherly convo.
Bingo. I've been telling people this for years.
The rapture is the greatest lie the devil has ever injected into the church. It has neutered the modern church.
No one polishes brass on a sinking ship.
Edit: here's a YT playlist of some of the best sermons, discussions, debates, and presentations on the end times.... with the best minds from all major positions represented. These are all very well respected theologians, pastors and scholars and not some weird fringe nutters trying to sell you food buckets and prayer cloths.
There's a lot here but pick a video that interests you and go from there. (They are in no particular order) https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm4vxYfDpoYaWjqK76eZukIyKtyX5Xa-J&si=dMrtPF2UordHRGXZ
Pre-mil, amil, post-mil, pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, none of it matters for salvation. None of it should change your faith or how you praise Jesus. We are saved by faith and faith inspires works. Only faith saves you and only faith continues God’s will on earth.
Eschatology is given to us to inspire hope. He told us the end from the beginning to comfort us. Not to separate and judge each other. Think about it, nobody knows anything for certain regarding unfulfilled prophecy. While God has revealed enough for us to know Him by His characteristics, nobody knows His mind or how He will carry out His plans. How can we be prepared no matter what happens? Living in the Spirit of Christ.
Live in the Spirit and you will know what “you” need to know. Live in the Spirit and you will be comforted by what “you” need to be comforted with. Above all, live in the Spirit and the narrow path will be wide enough for “you”.
Never said it did. But it does matter for other reasons. There's a difference between praising Jesus that he will rule on earth one day and praising Jesus because he's ruling right now.
Christians are commanded to judge each other by God's standards. In fact you just judged me for judging didn't you? So are you a hypocrite or do you maybe have an inconsistent view of what scripture commands?
Hardly. You're not commanded to live by the spirit alone. Your commanded to study and meditate on God's word as well.
Eschatology matters. It affects how you fight, build, and interact with the world.
As I said before, no one polishes brass on a sinking ship. If you think you're about to be yeeted into heaven are you going to fight, build, and take Dominion and start projects that your great-grandchildren will have to finish? Doubtful.
My church is Post Mill. We run EndAbortionNow.com and wrote the amicus brief that overturned Roe v Wade. We have bills of full abolition criminalization pending all over the nation. We have shut down multiple abortion clinics and saved countless babies and equipped churches all over the world to fight abortion In a biblical manner. We know this fight is gods. We know all we have to do is be faithful and step out in faith and do the work and God will give us the victory. Whereas other churches simply see abortion as a sign of the end times and refuse to do anything about it. Eschatology matters.
I frequently see churches with pessimistic eschatological views and positions being wildly ineffective to the world and the culture and their communities at large. I don't think this is an accident. If I was the enemy I would see this as a total victory.
Typical combative religious answer. You flaunt your knowledge and works as if you are superior. Pharisee much? Studying the word is a given, I never said live in the Spirit ignorantly. Your church isn’t the only defender of life. Please continue to qualify your earned authority on unfulfilled prophecy. Give it a rest.There are really strong arguments on more than one line of thought. None conclusive in my opinion. Yes we should stand in strong opposition to evil and bring more hearts to Jesus even more so. Let’s not bicker about what might come in the future. If your heart is right with God, come what may, you will be prepared to go about the Father’s work in whatever scenario you find yourself in.
Combative? No. Conflicting beliefs? Yes. That's called a discussion. Religious? Yes. Christianity IS a religion.... based upon God's Word which is the standard. This is super simple stuff.
I was sharing knowledge.... IN A DISCUSSION which is EXACTLY what you are doing too. As for works.... I was demonstrating what the differing views of end times lead to. I could easily give you many other examples from other post-mill churches such as the wonderful work of Christ Church in Moscow Idaho. IDC who does the work and is faithful to God, I want children saved from death. I want churches fighting the culture and being hated for it. I want us to be salt and light. Full stop.
LOL you don't even understand what that means. If you are gonna use that in the future I suggest you familiarize yourself with it. I'll help you out.... It describes someone who is hypocritical or overly focused on religious rituals without true understanding or sincerity. Quit throwing around popular evangelical terms you don't understand.
No one was bickering. despite that, you tried to make some pretty stupid and baseless personal attacks against me. You just had your feathers ruffled because i swept the legs out from under some of your other arguments and took it personally. I was addressing your position, not you. You did not respond in kind so here we are. Pearls to swine.
I would recommend you walk away from this one. You don't seem to have the temperament for the exchange of ideas in a productive manor and at a certain point I may choose to start actually punching back which believe me, I haven't even remotely done. I thought we were having a brotherly convo.
Have a blessed day.
Love that last line...can I use it?
Hey check this playlist I made out of you love eschatology. I put some killer stuff in here.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm4vxYfDpoYaWjqK76eZukIyKtyX5Xa-J&si=dMrtPF2UordHRGXZ
Absolutely 💯