There was a post here not long ago with black people surveyed who all said...No, I’m not going to dig it up, so feel tiresome if you must
Lol just as I thought.
Thanks for telling me about it. I don't know if you're just pulling that out of your ass or if it's real, because the search function on this site isn't great and you don't have an actual link to the study, so I don't know how you expect me to take it seriously.
Instead of giving me a hard time about not digging up the stats, you should tell it to your politicians
There are plenty others who are able to provide the stats. Do you want something showing a lack of resources?
I'm hoping you actually take a look, instead of what I'm afraid you might do, which is briefly skim it then wave it off for being arbitrarily "too leftist" or some muck like that.
Democrats have never been concerned with black Americans’ IDs because it has always been a nonissue because blacks have ID
Source above shows otherwise.
Rhetorical, I don’t really care.
I've yet to find someone on this site who does. Most aren't interested in having an actual conversation with facts, instead just want to throw insults and speculation. I see you fit right in, but I'm hoping that this can actually continue and we can turn this discussion around to something a bit more mature.
You’re playing dumb. You know I said I don’t care about your age. I definitely care about commies using lame excuses for non-citizens voting.
No, I don’t want something showing a lack of resources. Like I said earlier, this bill isn’t about adding resources. It’s about ID, so logically I want to see ID stats. Without ID stats, you’re going to have a hard time getting my attention again, coercionist.
The report I linked to actually does have the ID stats that you’re asking for. Try actually taking a look instead of just immediately discounting any facts that might disagree with your worldview
You seem like don’t actually want to learn anything. You just want to imagine something in your head and insist it must be true. How do you expect me to look up your “sources” when you won’t even glance at the ones that I link for you?
You have no actual sources. You’ll just lean on some idea that “it totally happened bro trust me” and expect me to buy that?
As sleepy joe would say: Come on, man
You’re playing dumb
Not playing dumb. I’m well aware of what I was doing. I was taking your comment and making it more true: that you don’t care about facts. You just care about feelings.
Yes, you don’t care about my age either, but it’s because you don’t want to compromise on the imagined details you have of me. It’s indicative of the whole. You want to imagine me as too young to get it, so the further removed from facts you are the easier it is for you to cling to your made up scenario.
You have no actual sources. You’ll just lean on some idea that “it totally happened bro trust me” and expect me to buy that?“
This is like the meme of the commie dweeb snarkily asking for “Sources?” for something observable. I didn’t tell you “bro trust me” and I don’t expect you to buy anything, because, once again, I’m not trying to sell some new legislation. I don’t have to prove anything. The commie politicians should have done so but since they failed to and because you’re defending them, you’ve taken up their burden.
Laws are best when they’re few and simple. Unnecessary laws are Stalin’s playground. (btw, in this current California communist bill, what’s the punishment for a locality that has its own voter ID law?) I don’t like that politicians are near-constantly pushing frivolous new laws. If they were decent professionals, they would first use evidence to demonstrate the need for a new law.
Many Americans who have ID, transportation, and voting eligibility choose not to vote. It’s their right and it’s not a big deal. It’s worse for a non-citizen to vote than it is for a citizen not to vote, but for the sake of moving forward, I’ll just say their respective values are 1:1.
So how would we demonstrate the need for this new law? One thing we could do is contrast the costs of passing it with the costs of not passing it. The cost of passing it is pretty huge as it can help millions of non-citizens to vote. The cost of not passing it is small: a few otherwise eligible people who want to vote and who want to have valid ID but who can’t afford the $25 ID fee or the transportation cost of getting to the ID center don’t get to vote. So we would need statistics of how many people there are in each category. Good luck getting those numbers. Government agencies intentionally obscure the number of illegals in the country and the number of non-citizens who vote.
Arriving upon a reliable number of potentially disenfranchised citizens requires several considerations. We should consider that there are people who can afford the $25 fee and the $5 bus ride who don’t want to vote and who don’t want ID. Some of these people might have plenty of money and maybe even an unregistered and uninsured car, but they don’t want ID because they don’t want to comply with The Man. These types are probably rare, existing on the fringe of thug life, but even if they have no ID they shouldn’t be counted among the involuntarily disenfranchised or as people adversely affected by voter ID laws.. We should look for people who truly can’t afford the $30 but who want to have ID and who want to vote. Their desires are difficult to quantify so you’d have to take their word on those. Not only would you have to confirm their lack of legitimate employment income, but also welfare income, which is plentiful in the US and especially CA. Objectively there would also be the challenge of accounting for their black market earnings, and for private and even casual charity received. You’d also have to track the person’s spending. If a person somehow has enough to live on and should be able to budget the $30 every five or so years for ID, but the person wastes that budget, then that person isn’t being involuntarily disenfranchised.
You could try to find people actually turned away from voting centers due to lack of ID, and then try to use other means to ascertain that they are in fact eligible. Unfortunately, the anecdotes from 2020 are more often about people not allowed to vote because the Democrats already cast a ballot in their names. If somehow you get a sizable number of no-ID rejects and their claims check out, the number would still be dwarfed by the number of non-citizens voting, and we’d be back to realizing that this bill causes more harm than it alleviates, by multiple factors of ten.
When you pretended to misunderstand “additional” I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you’re sincere but retarded. When you grossly misrepresented the “I don’t care” line, you were blatantly disingenuous. Since you’re an untrustworthy troll, I’m reluctant to click on your link. Who knows where it goes. But if you think any of the stats on your link are relevant to the analysis and considerations above, feel free to cherry pick and quote or paraphrase them to me, and I’ll decide if they’re worth verifying. Don’t come at me with some shallow stats that aren’t relevant, that don’t pass muster, or that don’t help to explain the situation.
This is like the meme of the commie dweeb snarkily asking for “Sources?” for something observable
If you spend time in predominantly black and lower class communities, you can observe how difficult it is. These observations come with recorded statistics, that I've shown you, but you refuse to look at.
Many Americans who have ID, transportation, and voting eligibility choose not to vote. It’s their right and it’s not a big deal.
Neat. So for those who want to use their right, we should make it as easy as possible for them to exercise it.
a few otherwise eligible people who want to vote and who want to have valid ID but who can’t afford the $25 ID fee or the transportation cost of getting to the ID center don’t get to vote
Then that's a poorly run government if they have to pay to vote.
You talk about bus rides but many communities don't have reliable public transportation, so if you're suggesting that our government puts some serious investment into that, that would be excellent.
When you grossly misrepresented the “I don’t care” line, you were blatantly disingenuous
I didn't misinterpret it. I know you meant specifically my age. I was using that line as a larger sign of the whole: that you don't care about facts.
But if you think any of the stats on your link are relevant to the analysis and considerations above, feel free to cherry pick and quote or paraphrase them to me, and I’ll decide if they’re worth verifying.
Buddy you can't even provide a source to what you're saying. Why would I bother breaking down the links I already sent to you even further if you're too stupid to click on it yourself?
Lol just as I thought.
Thanks for telling me about it. I don't know if you're just pulling that out of your ass or if it's real, because the search function on this site isn't great and you don't have an actual link to the study, so I don't know how you expect me to take it seriously.
There are plenty others who are able to provide the stats. Do you want something showing a lack of resources?
Check it out
I'm hoping you actually take a look, instead of what I'm afraid you might do, which is briefly skim it then wave it off for being arbitrarily "too leftist" or some muck like that.
Source above shows otherwise.
I've yet to find someone on this site who does. Most aren't interested in having an actual conversation with facts, instead just want to throw insults and speculation. I see you fit right in, but I'm hoping that this can actually continue and we can turn this discussion around to something a bit more mature.
You’re playing dumb. You know I said I don’t care about your age. I definitely care about commies using lame excuses for non-citizens voting.
No, I don’t want something showing a lack of resources. Like I said earlier, this bill isn’t about adding resources. It’s about ID, so logically I want to see ID stats. Without ID stats, you’re going to have a hard time getting my attention again, coercionist.
The report I linked to actually does have the ID stats that you’re asking for. Try actually taking a look instead of just immediately discounting any facts that might disagree with your worldview
You seem like don’t actually want to learn anything. You just want to imagine something in your head and insist it must be true. How do you expect me to look up your “sources” when you won’t even glance at the ones that I link for you?
You have no actual sources. You’ll just lean on some idea that “it totally happened bro trust me” and expect me to buy that?
As sleepy joe would say: Come on, man
Not playing dumb. I’m well aware of what I was doing. I was taking your comment and making it more true: that you don’t care about facts. You just care about feelings.
Yes, you don’t care about my age either, but it’s because you don’t want to compromise on the imagined details you have of me. It’s indicative of the whole. You want to imagine me as too young to get it, so the further removed from facts you are the easier it is for you to cling to your made up scenario.
This is like the meme of the commie dweeb snarkily asking for “Sources?” for something observable. I didn’t tell you “bro trust me” and I don’t expect you to buy anything, because, once again, I’m not trying to sell some new legislation. I don’t have to prove anything. The commie politicians should have done so but since they failed to and because you’re defending them, you’ve taken up their burden.
Laws are best when they’re few and simple. Unnecessary laws are Stalin’s playground. (btw, in this current California communist bill, what’s the punishment for a locality that has its own voter ID law?) I don’t like that politicians are near-constantly pushing frivolous new laws. If they were decent professionals, they would first use evidence to demonstrate the need for a new law.
Many Americans who have ID, transportation, and voting eligibility choose not to vote. It’s their right and it’s not a big deal. It’s worse for a non-citizen to vote than it is for a citizen not to vote, but for the sake of moving forward, I’ll just say their respective values are 1:1.
So how would we demonstrate the need for this new law? One thing we could do is contrast the costs of passing it with the costs of not passing it. The cost of passing it is pretty huge as it can help millions of non-citizens to vote. The cost of not passing it is small: a few otherwise eligible people who want to vote and who want to have valid ID but who can’t afford the $25 ID fee or the transportation cost of getting to the ID center don’t get to vote. So we would need statistics of how many people there are in each category. Good luck getting those numbers. Government agencies intentionally obscure the number of illegals in the country and the number of non-citizens who vote.
Arriving upon a reliable number of potentially disenfranchised citizens requires several considerations. We should consider that there are people who can afford the $25 fee and the $5 bus ride who don’t want to vote and who don’t want ID. Some of these people might have plenty of money and maybe even an unregistered and uninsured car, but they don’t want ID because they don’t want to comply with The Man. These types are probably rare, existing on the fringe of thug life, but even if they have no ID they shouldn’t be counted among the involuntarily disenfranchised or as people adversely affected by voter ID laws.. We should look for people who truly can’t afford the $30 but who want to have ID and who want to vote. Their desires are difficult to quantify so you’d have to take their word on those. Not only would you have to confirm their lack of legitimate employment income, but also welfare income, which is plentiful in the US and especially CA. Objectively there would also be the challenge of accounting for their black market earnings, and for private and even casual charity received. You’d also have to track the person’s spending. If a person somehow has enough to live on and should be able to budget the $30 every five or so years for ID, but the person wastes that budget, then that person isn’t being involuntarily disenfranchised.
You could try to find people actually turned away from voting centers due to lack of ID, and then try to use other means to ascertain that they are in fact eligible. Unfortunately, the anecdotes from 2020 are more often about people not allowed to vote because the Democrats already cast a ballot in their names. If somehow you get a sizable number of no-ID rejects and their claims check out, the number would still be dwarfed by the number of non-citizens voting, and we’d be back to realizing that this bill causes more harm than it alleviates, by multiple factors of ten.
When you pretended to misunderstand “additional” I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you’re sincere but retarded. When you grossly misrepresented the “I don’t care” line, you were blatantly disingenuous. Since you’re an untrustworthy troll, I’m reluctant to click on your link. Who knows where it goes. But if you think any of the stats on your link are relevant to the analysis and considerations above, feel free to cherry pick and quote or paraphrase them to me, and I’ll decide if they’re worth verifying. Don’t come at me with some shallow stats that aren’t relevant, that don’t pass muster, or that don’t help to explain the situation.
If you spend time in predominantly black and lower class communities, you can observe how difficult it is. These observations come with recorded statistics, that I've shown you, but you refuse to look at.
Neat. So for those who want to use their right, we should make it as easy as possible for them to exercise it.
Then that's a poorly run government if they have to pay to vote.
You talk about bus rides but many communities don't have reliable public transportation, so if you're suggesting that our government puts some serious investment into that, that would be excellent.
I didn't misinterpret it. I know you meant specifically my age. I was using that line as a larger sign of the whole: that you don't care about facts.
Buddy you can't even provide a source to what you're saying. Why would I bother breaking down the links I already sent to you even further if you're too stupid to click on it yourself?