I can guarantee you, Falun Gong is not a CIA operation. I practice it (on and off) since 1998 and have read all the teachings of Li Hongzhi, its founder.
The in-depth teachings are diammetrically opposed to what the CIA would want to achieve to incite a colour revolution.
Just an (anectdotal) experience I had: in 2001 or 2002 I read a text of Li Hongzhi, where he pointed out that „the whole world is basically already communist“. 2001 or 2002.
He only mentioned the welfare state and that we are all paying taxes, and that the communist thought was already permeating almost all of civilization…
I wasn‘t fully awakened back then, and had trouble believing what I read, but it was actually spot on.
And to further point out that this certainly isn’t a CIA op: a mainstay of the teachings are to basically become a „good human“ - upholding traditional values, that good is rewarded with good and evil is rewarded with evil. Restoring the traditional chinese values and faith that have beem systematically destroyed by the CCP in china. To teach the people to believe in Truthfulness, Compassion and Tolerance. And not only by believing it but to actually live by it in day to day live.
All while pointing out not to use violence and/or political games, but by being an upright, faithful human being.
Believe it or not, but Falun Gong has quite a spiritual and faith-impact in China, which helps waking up the chinese People as to what the Communists have done to the people and the world. Giving them back a spiritiual foundation (the armour of God, so to speak) to get back on track of being truly human. And a fundamental part of this, IMHO is believing in the Divine, that there is a Creator, that we have souls and that there truly is Good and Evil in this world, and that we can - and have to - chose a side.
I don‘t think that‘s something the CIA would dare to do.
I didn't mean the ideology itself but the movement and people. CIA picks people who are actually virus and upstanding in each country and nurtures them and brainwashed them to believe they are doing something nobel by fighting that country's government. Misty of these people don't even realise they are being used.
They only realise they have been used after they have been discarded (like Mujahideen) and sometimes not even after that (Like the Kurds)
What is your first hand experience if Chinese oppression of Falun Gong?
I see your point about the CIA using existing movements to manipulate the for their own nefarious ends.
IMO they probably tried to do that with FG, but I don‘t think it is succesful.
Why? Li Hongzhi is very clear about interpreting or not interpreting his texts and lectures. People can and should understand the teaching according to their own level of understanding. And people can say „with my current understanding, I understand what he said as…“, but never should any person define the contents of the lectures and texts. It‘s a very important distinction.
He already stated back in the beginning, I think it was around 96, 97 or 98, that Falun Gong is strictly apolitical. Practitioners themselves, yes, they can be in politics, but the movement itself cannot be political. It‘s about personal, individual cultivation and betterment.
There is also a homepage, Minghui, which was founded around 1999, after the persecution of FG through the CCP began, which served as a „safe haven“ for practioners to get „Falun Gong Information“ „from the source“, which Li Hongzhi helped establish, exactly with the aim to be not influenced by outside sources, like the CCP or other entities (like the CIA, or others). It helped and helps pretty much to stay on course and not being manipulated by outside forces that whish to (ab)use FG for their own ends. (It‘s a bit a similar concept of „no outside coms“ by Q - it‘s of utmost importance to have information that you can trust.)
Now, I said that FG is apolitical. Why are the practitioners obviously working towards the dissolution of the CCP?
My understanding is, it‘s not per se political, but just telling the truth about the matter. In my opinion, the CCP is a ruthless, evil party with the sole goal of destroying humanity.
And with the persecition of Falun Gong, started under then Secreteray jiang zemin, the CCP vowed to eradicate FG.
That led to the practitioners efforts to tell the truth about what‘s happening to them, and what the CCP is really doing.
As of first hand experience:
I‘m on a blacklist and can‘t enter China. Personally, I have a few friends, Chinese and Westerners, who have been arrested in China and Hong Kong. Years ago, I helped promote Shen Yun, a classical chinese dance ensemble, founded by FG-Practitioners, which had several locations canceled by intervention of the chinese embassy. I‘ve personally met practitioners who were able to flee mainland china who were tortured in jail there.
Luckily, I‘ve never suffered physical harm, but I remember, in 1999 I was ostracided at my job and from friends, because the CCP propaganda was aped verbatim in local MSM.
(Sorry for typos etc, I‘m typing this on my phone).
Thanks for the information. I will definitely add Li Hongzi, Falun Gong and Jiang Zemin to my "to dig" list. If I remember correctly, Jiang Zemin died recently, which was considered notable by some Anons.
On a different note, what is your opinion on the idea that keeps getting pushed on the social media lately that a lot of average Chinese are actually happy with the current system, where if they dont try to mess with the system, they can actually lead a good life, and so they are happy with the CCP ?
If you dig into FG, don‘t forget to consider the „source material“ for reference, https://en.minghui.org is the site I mentioned earlier in a post. And - I don‘t think I have to mention this specifically - be aware, there is a lot of misinformation out there. It‘s important to really know the source - what Falun Gong and Li Hongzhi really teaches - to be able to discern what is true and what not. The CCP - and probably other entities - has done enormous work to distort and defame the movement. I‘m here if you have any questions and want to hear my opinion on it.
And jiang zemin… yeah, his dead was notable, because he was probably the most evil clown that ever contaminated the earth. And I mean it. Seriously, that… thing… was evil. Incredibly stupid and incredibly evil. With wide repercussions of his deeds for the whole world.
And the social media push… honestly? It‘s most probably the Wumao at work, and manufactured consent. There‘s also a Great Awakening happening in mainland china - more and more people are awake to what the CCP is, and IMO the social Media push is a way of the CCP in trying to counter that.
On the other hand, China has fully implemented the Social Credit system, and playing the system by the people could also be a part of that phenomenon.
But I really don‘t think that the people honestly are happy with the CCP.
Edit: The book „Nine Commentaries on the communist party“ sums it pretty much up why I believe that the people are not really happy about the party. http://www.ninecommentaries.com/
I can guarantee you, Falun Gong is not a CIA operation. I practice it (on and off) since 1998 and have read all the teachings of Li Hongzhi, its founder.
The in-depth teachings are diammetrically opposed to what the CIA would want to achieve to incite a colour revolution.
Just an (anectdotal) experience I had: in 2001 or 2002 I read a text of Li Hongzhi, where he pointed out that „the whole world is basically already communist“. 2001 or 2002.
He only mentioned the welfare state and that we are all paying taxes, and that the communist thought was already permeating almost all of civilization…
I wasn‘t fully awakened back then, and had trouble believing what I read, but it was actually spot on.
And to further point out that this certainly isn’t a CIA op: a mainstay of the teachings are to basically become a „good human“ - upholding traditional values, that good is rewarded with good and evil is rewarded with evil. Restoring the traditional chinese values and faith that have beem systematically destroyed by the CCP in china. To teach the people to believe in Truthfulness, Compassion and Tolerance. And not only by believing it but to actually live by it in day to day live.
All while pointing out not to use violence and/or political games, but by being an upright, faithful human being.
Believe it or not, but Falun Gong has quite a spiritual and faith-impact in China, which helps waking up the chinese People as to what the Communists have done to the people and the world. Giving them back a spiritiual foundation (the armour of God, so to speak) to get back on track of being truly human. And a fundamental part of this, IMHO is believing in the Divine, that there is a Creator, that we have souls and that there truly is Good and Evil in this world, and that we can - and have to - chose a side.
I don‘t think that‘s something the CIA would dare to do.
I didn't mean the ideology itself but the movement and people. CIA picks people who are actually virus and upstanding in each country and nurtures them and brainwashed them to believe they are doing something nobel by fighting that country's government. Misty of these people don't even realise they are being used.
They only realise they have been used after they have been discarded (like Mujahideen) and sometimes not even after that (Like the Kurds)
What is your first hand experience if Chinese oppression of Falun Gong?
I see your point about the CIA using existing movements to manipulate the for their own nefarious ends.
IMO they probably tried to do that with FG, but I don‘t think it is succesful.
Why? Li Hongzhi is very clear about interpreting or not interpreting his texts and lectures. People can and should understand the teaching according to their own level of understanding. And people can say „with my current understanding, I understand what he said as…“, but never should any person define the contents of the lectures and texts. It‘s a very important distinction.
He already stated back in the beginning, I think it was around 96, 97 or 98, that Falun Gong is strictly apolitical. Practitioners themselves, yes, they can be in politics, but the movement itself cannot be political. It‘s about personal, individual cultivation and betterment.
There is also a homepage, Minghui, which was founded around 1999, after the persecution of FG through the CCP began, which served as a „safe haven“ for practioners to get „Falun Gong Information“ „from the source“, which Li Hongzhi helped establish, exactly with the aim to be not influenced by outside sources, like the CCP or other entities (like the CIA, or others). It helped and helps pretty much to stay on course and not being manipulated by outside forces that whish to (ab)use FG for their own ends. (It‘s a bit a similar concept of „no outside coms“ by Q - it‘s of utmost importance to have information that you can trust.)
Now, I said that FG is apolitical. Why are the practitioners obviously working towards the dissolution of the CCP?
My understanding is, it‘s not per se political, but just telling the truth about the matter. In my opinion, the CCP is a ruthless, evil party with the sole goal of destroying humanity.
And with the persecition of Falun Gong, started under then Secreteray jiang zemin, the CCP vowed to eradicate FG.
That led to the practitioners efforts to tell the truth about what‘s happening to them, and what the CCP is really doing.
As of first hand experience:
I‘m on a blacklist and can‘t enter China. Personally, I have a few friends, Chinese and Westerners, who have been arrested in China and Hong Kong. Years ago, I helped promote Shen Yun, a classical chinese dance ensemble, founded by FG-Practitioners, which had several locations canceled by intervention of the chinese embassy. I‘ve personally met practitioners who were able to flee mainland china who were tortured in jail there.
Luckily, I‘ve never suffered physical harm, but I remember, in 1999 I was ostracided at my job and from friends, because the CCP propaganda was aped verbatim in local MSM.
(Sorry for typos etc, I‘m typing this on my phone).
Thanks for the information. I will definitely add Li Hongzi, Falun Gong and Jiang Zemin to my "to dig" list. If I remember correctly, Jiang Zemin died recently, which was considered notable by some Anons.
On a different note, what is your opinion on the idea that keeps getting pushed on the social media lately that a lot of average Chinese are actually happy with the current system, where if they dont try to mess with the system, they can actually lead a good life, and so they are happy with the CCP ?
If you dig into FG, don‘t forget to consider the „source material“ for reference, https://en.minghui.org is the site I mentioned earlier in a post. And - I don‘t think I have to mention this specifically - be aware, there is a lot of misinformation out there. It‘s important to really know the source - what Falun Gong and Li Hongzhi really teaches - to be able to discern what is true and what not. The CCP - and probably other entities - has done enormous work to distort and defame the movement. I‘m here if you have any questions and want to hear my opinion on it.
And jiang zemin… yeah, his dead was notable, because he was probably the most evil clown that ever contaminated the earth. And I mean it. Seriously, that… thing… was evil. Incredibly stupid and incredibly evil. With wide repercussions of his deeds for the whole world.
And the social media push… honestly? It‘s most probably the Wumao at work, and manufactured consent. There‘s also a Great Awakening happening in mainland china - more and more people are awake to what the CCP is, and IMO the social Media push is a way of the CCP in trying to counter that.
On the other hand, China has fully implemented the Social Credit system, and playing the system by the people could also be a part of that phenomenon.
But I really don‘t think that the people honestly are happy with the CCP.
Edit: The book „Nine Commentaries on the communist party“ sums it pretty much up why I believe that the people are not really happy about the party. http://www.ninecommentaries.com/