I see your point about the CIA using existing movements to manipulate the for their own nefarious ends.
IMO they probably tried to do that with FG, but I don‘t think it is succesful.
Why? Li Hongzhi is very clear about interpreting or not interpreting his texts and lectures. People can and should understand the teaching according to their own level of understanding. And people can say „with my current understanding, I understand what he said as…“, but never should any person define the contents of the lectures and texts. It‘s a very important distinction.
He already stated back in the beginning, I think it was around 96, 97 or 98, that Falun Gong is strictly apolitical. Practitioners themselves, yes, they can be in politics, but the movement itself cannot be political. It‘s about personal, individual cultivation and betterment.
There is also a homepage, Minghui, which was founded around 1999, after the persecution of FG through the CCP began, which served as a „safe haven“ for practioners to get „Falun Gong Information“ „from the source“, which Li Hongzhi helped establish, exactly with the aim to be not influenced by outside sources, like the CCP or other entities (like the CIA, or others). It helped and helps pretty much to stay on course and not being manipulated by outside forces that whish to (ab)use FG for their own ends. (It‘s a bit a similar concept of „no outside coms“ by Q - it‘s of utmost importance to have information that you can trust.)
Now, I said that FG is apolitical. Why are the practitioners obviously working towards the dissolution of the CCP?
My understanding is, it‘s not per se political, but just telling the truth about the matter. In my opinion, the CCP is a ruthless, evil party with the sole goal of destroying humanity.
And with the persecition of Falun Gong, started under then Secreteray jiang zemin, the CCP vowed to eradicate FG.
That led to the practitioners efforts to tell the truth about what‘s happening to them, and what the CCP is really doing.
As of first hand experience:
I‘m on a blacklist and can‘t enter China. Personally, I have a few friends, Chinese and Westerners, who have been arrested in China and Hong Kong. Years ago, I helped promote Shen Yun, a classical chinese dance ensemble, founded by FG-Practitioners, which had several locations canceled by intervention of the chinese embassy. I‘ve personally met practitioners who were able to flee mainland china who were tortured in jail there.
Luckily, I‘ve never suffered physical harm, but I remember, in 1999 I was ostracided at my job and from friends, because the CCP propaganda was aped verbatim in local MSM.
(Sorry for typos etc, I‘m typing this on my phone).
Thanks for the information. I will definitely add Li Hongzi, Falun Gong and Jiang Zemin to my "to dig" list. If I remember correctly, Jiang Zemin died recently, which was considered notable by some Anons.
On a different note, what is your opinion on the idea that keeps getting pushed on the social media lately that a lot of average Chinese are actually happy with the current system, where if they dont try to mess with the system, they can actually lead a good life, and so they are happy with the CCP ?
If you dig into FG, don‘t forget to consider the „source material“ for reference, https://en.minghui.org is the site I mentioned earlier in a post. And - I don‘t think I have to mention this specifically - be aware, there is a lot of misinformation out there. It‘s important to really know the source - what Falun Gong and Li Hongzhi really teaches - to be able to discern what is true and what not. The CCP - and probably other entities - has done enormous work to distort and defame the movement. I‘m here if you have any questions and want to hear my opinion on it.
And jiang zemin… yeah, his dead was notable, because he was probably the most evil clown that ever contaminated the earth. And I mean it. Seriously, that… thing… was evil. Incredibly stupid and incredibly evil. With wide repercussions of his deeds for the whole world.
And the social media push… honestly? It‘s most probably the Wumao at work, and manufactured consent. There‘s also a Great Awakening happening in mainland china - more and more people are awake to what the CCP is, and IMO the social Media push is a way of the CCP in trying to counter that.
On the other hand, China has fully implemented the Social Credit system, and playing the system by the people could also be a part of that phenomenon.
But I really don‘t think that the people honestly are happy with the CCP.
Edit: The book „Nine Commentaries on the communist party“ sums it pretty much up why I believe that the people are not really happy about the party. http://www.ninecommentaries.com/
If you dig into FG, don‘t forget to consider the „source material“ for reference
Yes, thats how I always like to start my digs. I started reading Bible after finding Q to learn about Christianity and I read the Pfizer clinical study to really confirm that vaccines were neither effective, nor safe nor necessary. Source material is the best place to start for everything !
Will take a while since I still have a lot of Bible to go through, and in addition I have a huge backlog of reading material, but this is interesting so I will find time.
So on that site, what would be the base teachings / reference material? The look of the site is a bit disconcerting because it looks more like a political movement than a spiritual movement. What is the "bible" or the "scriptures" equivalent for FG ?
Also, do you think Xi played a role in Jiang's downfall?
The minghui site is indeed more the "activist" site - it's main purpose is a little bit that of an "Info-Hub" for both practitioners as well as people interested in the happenings around the practice and the persecution. Yes, it has a political appereance, but I don't consider it political, as its "political purpose" is shedding light on the still ongoing persecution and ways on how to counter it. In my understanding, it's "political" in the sense that it raises awareness about the human rights situation of the persecution. I mean, the persecution of the CCP is basically denying the right to exist to people in china who practice FG - and the persecution is deeply rooted in the CCP-culture. I have come to the conclusion, that the persecution cannot be ended anymore without ending the rule of the CCP itself. In my understanding, it isn't about political power, but simply being able to live life. Unfortunately, the CCP denies people (not only Falun Gong practitioners) to be able to just live.
For the more spiritual approach, where you can read about the teachings and also learn about the physical exercises, there's https://en.falundafa.org . Under "books and writings", you can download every teaching, lecture and also of course the main book, "Zhuan Falun".
The Book Zhuan Falun is basically the core of the teachings. Every other material, lecture, text, scripture, only further expands and explains what is explained in Zhuan Falun. The Book itself is a summary of the Teachings Li Hongzhi gave back in 94 to 96 in China (edit: sorry, wrong time. Correct timespan was 92 to 94), where he was holding large seminars to spread the practice and explain the teachings to the people. There are also audio- and video-recordings of the Lectures, with dubs in several languages.
There's also the Book "Falun Gong" - it was one of the first Falun Gong books published in China, even before "Zhuan Falun", and it doesn't go as deep into the teachings as Zhuan Falun, but the Falun Gong exercises are explained in that book.
If you can only read one material, Zhuan Falun is the main book and contains everything about the teachings of Li Hongzhi.
For easier reference, here is the list of books and teachings:
Zhuan Falun has been translated several times. Chinese is very nuanced (I unfortunately don't speak it myself), so different translations help to better grasp the meanings of the words. For a start, I recommend the latest translation, last upated July 31, 2019, as it might be easier understand for a western mindset. All the translations are valid though and have been checked and re-checked to make sure the original meaning of the text is not altered or warped in any form.
For Video, you can find the recording of a 9-Day seminar, held in the city of Guangzhou, under this link: https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-video-audio-9session.html (you can also download the mp3 audio of this seminar on that page.). There is also a learning video for the 5 Falun Gong exercises.
Take care and take your time, and as mentioned, I'm here if you need me to discuss things and give my point of view/understanding.
My guess is, there is a high probabilty that yes, Xi might have been involved. But I have to admit, my knowledge of chinese politics isn't too deep or too thorough, and chinese politics is also very complicated.
IIRC, the CCP isn't as unifiyed as it may appear, and there are several factions in chinese politics. Jiang belonged to the "shanghai faction" and Xi to another... And they were (are?) pretty much at internal "war". I guess it's like US politics, but on stereoids.
And yeah, that's where my knowledge about it ends, so I'd rather not write more about it, as it would be unfounded.
I see your point about the CIA using existing movements to manipulate the for their own nefarious ends.
IMO they probably tried to do that with FG, but I don‘t think it is succesful.
Why? Li Hongzhi is very clear about interpreting or not interpreting his texts and lectures. People can and should understand the teaching according to their own level of understanding. And people can say „with my current understanding, I understand what he said as…“, but never should any person define the contents of the lectures and texts. It‘s a very important distinction.
He already stated back in the beginning, I think it was around 96, 97 or 98, that Falun Gong is strictly apolitical. Practitioners themselves, yes, they can be in politics, but the movement itself cannot be political. It‘s about personal, individual cultivation and betterment.
There is also a homepage, Minghui, which was founded around 1999, after the persecution of FG through the CCP began, which served as a „safe haven“ for practioners to get „Falun Gong Information“ „from the source“, which Li Hongzhi helped establish, exactly with the aim to be not influenced by outside sources, like the CCP or other entities (like the CIA, or others). It helped and helps pretty much to stay on course and not being manipulated by outside forces that whish to (ab)use FG for their own ends. (It‘s a bit a similar concept of „no outside coms“ by Q - it‘s of utmost importance to have information that you can trust.)
Now, I said that FG is apolitical. Why are the practitioners obviously working towards the dissolution of the CCP?
My understanding is, it‘s not per se political, but just telling the truth about the matter. In my opinion, the CCP is a ruthless, evil party with the sole goal of destroying humanity.
And with the persecition of Falun Gong, started under then Secreteray jiang zemin, the CCP vowed to eradicate FG.
That led to the practitioners efforts to tell the truth about what‘s happening to them, and what the CCP is really doing.
As of first hand experience:
I‘m on a blacklist and can‘t enter China. Personally, I have a few friends, Chinese and Westerners, who have been arrested in China and Hong Kong. Years ago, I helped promote Shen Yun, a classical chinese dance ensemble, founded by FG-Practitioners, which had several locations canceled by intervention of the chinese embassy. I‘ve personally met practitioners who were able to flee mainland china who were tortured in jail there.
Luckily, I‘ve never suffered physical harm, but I remember, in 1999 I was ostracided at my job and from friends, because the CCP propaganda was aped verbatim in local MSM.
(Sorry for typos etc, I‘m typing this on my phone).
Thanks for the information. I will definitely add Li Hongzi, Falun Gong and Jiang Zemin to my "to dig" list. If I remember correctly, Jiang Zemin died recently, which was considered notable by some Anons.
On a different note, what is your opinion on the idea that keeps getting pushed on the social media lately that a lot of average Chinese are actually happy with the current system, where if they dont try to mess with the system, they can actually lead a good life, and so they are happy with the CCP ?
If you dig into FG, don‘t forget to consider the „source material“ for reference, https://en.minghui.org is the site I mentioned earlier in a post. And - I don‘t think I have to mention this specifically - be aware, there is a lot of misinformation out there. It‘s important to really know the source - what Falun Gong and Li Hongzhi really teaches - to be able to discern what is true and what not. The CCP - and probably other entities - has done enormous work to distort and defame the movement. I‘m here if you have any questions and want to hear my opinion on it.
And jiang zemin… yeah, his dead was notable, because he was probably the most evil clown that ever contaminated the earth. And I mean it. Seriously, that… thing… was evil. Incredibly stupid and incredibly evil. With wide repercussions of his deeds for the whole world.
And the social media push… honestly? It‘s most probably the Wumao at work, and manufactured consent. There‘s also a Great Awakening happening in mainland china - more and more people are awake to what the CCP is, and IMO the social Media push is a way of the CCP in trying to counter that.
On the other hand, China has fully implemented the Social Credit system, and playing the system by the people could also be a part of that phenomenon.
But I really don‘t think that the people honestly are happy with the CCP.
Edit: The book „Nine Commentaries on the communist party“ sums it pretty much up why I believe that the people are not really happy about the party. http://www.ninecommentaries.com/
Yes, thats how I always like to start my digs. I started reading Bible after finding Q to learn about Christianity and I read the Pfizer clinical study to really confirm that vaccines were neither effective, nor safe nor necessary. Source material is the best place to start for everything !
Will take a while since I still have a lot of Bible to go through, and in addition I have a huge backlog of reading material, but this is interesting so I will find time.
So on that site, what would be the base teachings / reference material? The look of the site is a bit disconcerting because it looks more like a political movement than a spiritual movement. What is the "bible" or the "scriptures" equivalent for FG ?
Also, do you think Xi played a role in Jiang's downfall?
The minghui site is indeed more the "activist" site - it's main purpose is a little bit that of an "Info-Hub" for both practitioners as well as people interested in the happenings around the practice and the persecution. Yes, it has a political appereance, but I don't consider it political, as its "political purpose" is shedding light on the still ongoing persecution and ways on how to counter it. In my understanding, it's "political" in the sense that it raises awareness about the human rights situation of the persecution. I mean, the persecution of the CCP is basically denying the right to exist to people in china who practice FG - and the persecution is deeply rooted in the CCP-culture. I have come to the conclusion, that the persecution cannot be ended anymore without ending the rule of the CCP itself. In my understanding, it isn't about political power, but simply being able to live life. Unfortunately, the CCP denies people (not only Falun Gong practitioners) to be able to just live.
For the more spiritual approach, where you can read about the teachings and also learn about the physical exercises, there's https://en.falundafa.org . Under "books and writings", you can download every teaching, lecture and also of course the main book, "Zhuan Falun".
The Book Zhuan Falun is basically the core of the teachings. Every other material, lecture, text, scripture, only further expands and explains what is explained in Zhuan Falun. The Book itself is a summary of the Teachings Li Hongzhi gave back in 94 to 96 in China (edit: sorry, wrong time. Correct timespan was 92 to 94), where he was holding large seminars to spread the practice and explain the teachings to the people. There are also audio- and video-recordings of the Lectures, with dubs in several languages.
There's also the Book "Falun Gong" - it was one of the first Falun Gong books published in China, even before "Zhuan Falun", and it doesn't go as deep into the teachings as Zhuan Falun, but the Falun Gong exercises are explained in that book.
If you can only read one material, Zhuan Falun is the main book and contains everything about the teachings of Li Hongzhi.
For easier reference, here is the list of books and teachings:
https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-books.html?v=bks04
Zhuan Falun has been translated several times. Chinese is very nuanced (I unfortunately don't speak it myself), so different translations help to better grasp the meanings of the words. For a start, I recommend the latest translation, last upated July 31, 2019, as it might be easier understand for a western mindset. All the translations are valid though and have been checked and re-checked to make sure the original meaning of the text is not altered or warped in any form.
For Video, you can find the recording of a 9-Day seminar, held in the city of Guangzhou, under this link: https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-video-audio-9session.html (you can also download the mp3 audio of this seminar on that page.). There is also a learning video for the 5 Falun Gong exercises.
Take care and take your time, and as mentioned, I'm here if you need me to discuss things and give my point of view/understanding.
Forgot your last question about Xi and Jiang.
My guess is, there is a high probabilty that yes, Xi might have been involved. But I have to admit, my knowledge of chinese politics isn't too deep or too thorough, and chinese politics is also very complicated.
IIRC, the CCP isn't as unifiyed as it may appear, and there are several factions in chinese politics. Jiang belonged to the "shanghai faction" and Xi to another... And they were (are?) pretty much at internal "war". I guess it's like US politics, but on stereoids.
And yeah, that's where my knowledge about it ends, so I'd rather not write more about it, as it would be unfounded.