BY DEFINITION, a control group is all the people who DIDN'T 'take the medicine'.
So when this study says that 'among those that didn't take the vaxx', there were ZERO kids who got myocarditis or pericarditis -- THAT is the control group.
If you disagree, please tell me what the criteria of 'being in a control group' would be? (Hint: It's 'not taking the vaxx'.)
Yeah, thats not how it works. It isnt. The control subjects are known and evaluated to present a "baseline group not presented the thing being monitored or studied". Just saying "everyone else is the control". No, sorry, thats not a control group fren. It isnt.
You say that a control group is 'known and evaluated'. All those who did not take the vaxx are 'known' (they didn't take the vaxx), and have been 'evaluated' (they don't have heart problems). Therefore, they are known to 'not present with the thing being monitored or studied'. What more do you need?
So, using your own words, all the kids who don't currently have heart problems are a control group. Unless, of course, you want to claim that they used to have heart problems, and they went away.
OK, let us try this one more time … Barney style:
The “control group” in a medical study are individuals that are KNOWN, SELECTED. and EVALUATED individually.
EXAMPLE: Johnny fits the age group range for the sample set being studied in an ACTUAL MEDICAL STUDY. Johnny agrees to participate in the study. Johnny visits a medical professional and undergoes an evaluation (questionnaires, vitals, maybe blood work). Johnnys buddy Joey also, did not get the vax, but he was not interested in filling out stuff. JOEY IS NOT PART OF THE CONTROL GROUP IN THIS ACTUAL MEDICAL STUDY.
A CONTROL GROUP in an ACTUAL STUDY, is made up of a bunch of Johnnys. Not “everyone else”.
There … the next method to help you understand will involve crayons and pop-up books.
"We have all this data that conclusively proves that the vaxx is bad, but because we don't have the right paperwork -- just ignore it. tHerE wAs nO cONtroL gRoup!"
I'm a fan of truth. I'm a fan of the scientific method (and yes, when lives are at stake I'm willing to forgo the 'proper paperwork').
A control group should represent what would happen if the intervention or variable in question was not introduced, which often aims to reflect what is 'normal' or typical within a larger population. There are some studies where the control group 'signs up', and there are others where the control group is the 'background population'. See 'observational studies', 'natural experiments', 'public health interventions', some 'cohort studies', and more.
BY DEFINITION, a control group is all the people who DIDN'T 'take the medicine'.
So when this study says that 'among those that didn't take the vaxx', there were ZERO kids who got myocarditis or pericarditis -- THAT is the control group.
If you disagree, please tell me what the criteria of 'being in a control group' would be? (Hint: It's 'not taking the vaxx'.)
Yeah, thats not how it works. It isnt. The control subjects are known and evaluated to present a "baseline group not presented the thing being monitored or studied". Just saying "everyone else is the control". No, sorry, thats not a control group fren. It isnt.
Using your own definition...
You say that a control group is 'known and evaluated'. All those who did not take the vaxx are 'known' (they didn't take the vaxx), and have been 'evaluated' (they don't have heart problems). Therefore, they are known to 'not present with the thing being monitored or studied'. What more do you need?
So, using your own words, all the kids who don't currently have heart problems are a control group. Unless, of course, you want to claim that they used to have heart problems, and they went away.
OK, let us try this one more time … Barney style:
The “control group” in a medical study are individuals that are KNOWN, SELECTED. and EVALUATED individually.
EXAMPLE: Johnny fits the age group range for the sample set being studied in an ACTUAL MEDICAL STUDY. Johnny agrees to participate in the study. Johnny visits a medical professional and undergoes an evaluation (questionnaires, vitals, maybe blood work). Johnnys buddy Joey also, did not get the vax, but he was not interested in filling out stuff. JOEY IS NOT PART OF THE CONTROL GROUP IN THIS ACTUAL MEDICAL STUDY.
A CONTROL GROUP in an ACTUAL STUDY, is made up of a bunch of Johnnys. Not “everyone else”.
There … the next method to help you understand will involve crayons and pop-up books.
You sound like a DC bureaucrat.
"We have all this data that conclusively proves that the vaxx is bad, but because we don't have the right paperwork -- just ignore it. tHerE wAs nO cONtroL gRoup!"
I'm a fan of truth. I'm a fan of the scientific method (and yes, when lives are at stake I'm willing to forgo the 'proper paperwork').
A control group should represent what would happen if the intervention or variable in question was not introduced, which often aims to reflect what is 'normal' or typical within a larger population. There are some studies where the control group 'signs up', and there are others where the control group is the 'background population'. See 'observational studies', 'natural experiments', 'public health interventions', some 'cohort studies', and more.
We can agree to disagree.