Depends on the crime. God can forgive, but he's God and he can do all things. I'm only human. There is no forgiveness for certain crimes. Like crimes against children. Pretty sure even Jesus hinted at there being no forgiveness for them either, millstones and all.
The millstone reference isn’t about children, as in little kids. This has been the greatest misquoting of the gospel I think I’ve ever seen. Esp here on these forums. That reference is about new Christians. Those who have just came to know their savior Jesus, their God, with their childlike faith..the warning is against those who try and misinform them or derail them. It really refers to Satan and those who follow him. For new, reborn individuals, Christians, Satan goes after them terribly. And because of their new found heart, their childlike faith, they could be easier to fool. That scripture of the millstone is in reference to them. Not some joker at a Diddy party. No, we are commanded to forgive as Christ would forgive. The word commanded may have not been used, but it basically has.
Matthew:18 20-35. When Peter asked how times should he forgive? Jesus says 77 times. Which mean’s basically, forever forgiveness. There is never a time we should not forgive. Ever. It may be hard to forgive sure. It may takes years. But, if you cannot forgive, then why should God forgive you? These are conversations those who have God in their life should have with Jesus. Ask God to help you forgive. He knows you better than you know yourself. But understand, God wants you to forgive. And don’t we all want to please the Father? Of course we do.
That’s called God’s Wrath. And mercy. He coulda wiped out everyone. Your here because he had mercy and love for mankind. And there was literally only a handful of people that still believed and trusted in God. And those survivors spared are your ancestors.
What about forgiveness? That was the question. I'm poking the bear cuz I feel strongly that the Bible is only perfect in the perspective of each individual. Blanket use of its stories to achieve a desired outcome is pointless
When Peter asked how times should he forgive? Jesus says 77 times. Which mean’s basically, forever forgiveness.
Oh please 77 is a very specific and limited number. Go to any court in the land and ask a domestic abuse victim how many times she has forgiven him. 77 times? Those are rookie numbers. That won't even get you on COPS.
We’re talking about when Jesus spoke to Peter about forgiveness, not some episode in COPS. In that time period, their beliefs, if you forgave someone, even your own family member more than 2-3 times, you were a fool. So Peter, in frustration asked Jesus, we’ll how many times should I forgive someone..seven times? And seven times would’ve been ridiculous! And Jesus says not seven times, but seventy seven times. He’s telling Peter with this insane high number that there is no limit to forgive someone.
Matthew :18 21-22
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times
Jesus Christ tells us to love our enemies. Not to curse them.but to bless them. There are no exceptiins. The great purpose of that command is to be followers of God as dear children and the love of God in manifestation never fails. Its not an emotion to love os a deliberate act of obedience, as God says "this is my love, that you keep my word". We can still hold them accountable without ruining our own walks with God.
Depends on the crime. God can forgive, but he's God and he can do all things. I'm only human. There is no forgiveness for certain crimes. Like crimes against children. Pretty sure even Jesus hinted at there being no forgiveness for them either, millstones and all.
The millstone reference isn’t about children, as in little kids. This has been the greatest misquoting of the gospel I think I’ve ever seen. Esp here on these forums. That reference is about new Christians. Those who have just came to know their savior Jesus, their God, with their childlike faith..the warning is against those who try and misinform them or derail them. It really refers to Satan and those who follow him. For new, reborn individuals, Christians, Satan goes after them terribly. And because of their new found heart, their childlike faith, they could be easier to fool. That scripture of the millstone is in reference to them. Not some joker at a Diddy party. No, we are commanded to forgive as Christ would forgive. The word commanded may have not been used, but it basically has. Matthew:18 20-35. When Peter asked how times should he forgive? Jesus says 77 times. Which mean’s basically, forever forgiveness. There is never a time we should not forgive. Ever. It may be hard to forgive sure. It may takes years. But, if you cannot forgive, then why should God forgive you? These are conversations those who have God in their life should have with Jesus. Ask God to help you forgive. He knows you better than you know yourself. But understand, God wants you to forgive. And don’t we all want to please the Father? Of course we do.
When God destroyed everything with a flood , was that forgiveness?
That’s called God’s Wrath. And mercy. He coulda wiped out everyone. Your here because he had mercy and love for mankind. And there was literally only a handful of people that still believed and trusted in God. And those survivors spared are your ancestors.
What about forgiveness? That was the question. I'm poking the bear cuz I feel strongly that the Bible is only perfect in the perspective of each individual. Blanket use of its stories to achieve a desired outcome is pointless
Oh please 77 is a very specific and limited number. Go to any court in the land and ask a domestic abuse victim how many times she has forgiven him. 77 times? Those are rookie numbers. That won't even get you on COPS.
We’re talking about when Jesus spoke to Peter about forgiveness, not some episode in COPS. In that time period, their beliefs, if you forgave someone, even your own family member more than 2-3 times, you were a fool. So Peter, in frustration asked Jesus, we’ll how many times should I forgive someone..seven times? And seven times would’ve been ridiculous! And Jesus says not seven times, but seventy seven times. He’s telling Peter with this insane high number that there is no limit to forgive someone.
Matthew :18 21-22 21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times
Nobody is disputing the number 77.
We acknowledge your Bible reference material.
Jesus Christ tells us to love our enemies. Not to curse them.but to bless them. There are no exceptiins. The great purpose of that command is to be followers of God as dear children and the love of God in manifestation never fails. Its not an emotion to love os a deliberate act of obedience, as God says "this is my love, that you keep my word". We can still hold them accountable without ruining our own walks with God.
Exactly my point. Jesus didn't hint at forgiveness for them.
I'm not sure what whacky Bibles you guys are reading, but in mine, Jesus talks about how people should always forgive others.
I don't see a list in there of people who are not allowed forgiveness.
I get that people don't like that, but I'm pretty sure the Bible isn't a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure book. 🤷♀️
Jesus just said to love and forgive everyone. He didn't break them down by what their sins were, as far as I'm aware.
Who did you buy your Bible from? You might want to get a refund.