As a fellow Christian I’d go easy on that “never forgive”. We can forgive, but it doesn’t mean your free to go. I have zero problems forgiving someone whose behind bars, or worse, for their crimes against so many. I’ll gladly look them in the eye and forgive them. And this is after I’ve buried family members, and even as I speak, more are fighting cancers from that death jab. But I’ll forgive you. But you’ll have to face the music. Whatever it may be. Jesus forgives. And so will I. But Justice is justice. And to be a person that follows Christ, do not fear your judgment. Just know that you can be forgiven, always, but your punishment on this side of eternity will still happen. It should happen.
Depends on the crime. God can forgive, but he's God and he can do all things. I'm only human. There is no forgiveness for certain crimes. Like crimes against children. Pretty sure even Jesus hinted at there being no forgiveness for them either, millstones and all.
The millstone reference isn’t about children, as in little kids. This has been the greatest misquoting of the gospel I think I’ve ever seen. Esp here on these forums. That reference is about new Christians. Those who have just came to know their savior Jesus, their God, with their childlike faith..the warning is against those who try and misinform them or derail them. It really refers to Satan and those who follow him. For new, reborn individuals, Christians, Satan goes after them terribly. And because of their new found heart, their childlike faith, they could be easier to fool. That scripture of the millstone is in reference to them. Not some joker at a Diddy party. No, we are commanded to forgive as Christ would forgive. The word commanded may have not been used, but it basically has.
Matthew:18 20-35. When Peter asked how times should he forgive? Jesus says 77 times. Which mean’s basically, forever forgiveness. There is never a time we should not forgive. Ever. It may be hard to forgive sure. It may takes years. But, if you cannot forgive, then why should God forgive you? These are conversations those who have God in their life should have with Jesus. Ask God to help you forgive. He knows you better than you know yourself. But understand, God wants you to forgive. And don’t we all want to please the Father? Of course we do.
When Peter asked how times should he forgive? Jesus says 77 times. Which mean’s basically, forever forgiveness.
Oh please 77 is a very specific and limited number. Go to any court in the land and ask a domestic abuse victim how many times she has forgiven him. 77 times? Those are rookie numbers. That won't even get you on COPS.
We’re talking about when Jesus spoke to Peter about forgiveness, not some episode in COPS. In that time period, their beliefs, if you forgave someone, even your own family member more than 2-3 times, you were a fool. So Peter, in frustration asked Jesus, we’ll how many times should I forgive someone..seven times? And seven times would’ve been ridiculous! And Jesus says not seven times, but seventy seven times. He’s telling Peter with this insane high number that there is no limit to forgive someone.
Matthew :18 21-22
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times
As a fellow Christian I’d go easy on that “never forgive”. We can forgive, but it doesn’t mean your free to go. I have zero problems forgiving someone whose behind bars, or worse, for their crimes against so many. I’ll gladly look them in the eye and forgive them. And this is after I’ve buried family members, and even as I speak, more are fighting cancers from that death jab. But I’ll forgive you. But you’ll have to face the music. Whatever it may be. Jesus forgives. And so will I. But Justice is justice. And to be a person that follows Christ, do not fear your judgment. Just know that you can be forgiven, always, but your punishment on this side of eternity will still happen. It should happen.
Depends on the crime. God can forgive, but he's God and he can do all things. I'm only human. There is no forgiveness for certain crimes. Like crimes against children. Pretty sure even Jesus hinted at there being no forgiveness for them either, millstones and all.
The millstone reference isn’t about children, as in little kids. This has been the greatest misquoting of the gospel I think I’ve ever seen. Esp here on these forums. That reference is about new Christians. Those who have just came to know their savior Jesus, their God, with their childlike faith..the warning is against those who try and misinform them or derail them. It really refers to Satan and those who follow him. For new, reborn individuals, Christians, Satan goes after them terribly. And because of their new found heart, their childlike faith, they could be easier to fool. That scripture of the millstone is in reference to them. Not some joker at a Diddy party. No, we are commanded to forgive as Christ would forgive. The word commanded may have not been used, but it basically has. Matthew:18 20-35. When Peter asked how times should he forgive? Jesus says 77 times. Which mean’s basically, forever forgiveness. There is never a time we should not forgive. Ever. It may be hard to forgive sure. It may takes years. But, if you cannot forgive, then why should God forgive you? These are conversations those who have God in their life should have with Jesus. Ask God to help you forgive. He knows you better than you know yourself. But understand, God wants you to forgive. And don’t we all want to please the Father? Of course we do.
Oh please 77 is a very specific and limited number. Go to any court in the land and ask a domestic abuse victim how many times she has forgiven him. 77 times? Those are rookie numbers. That won't even get you on COPS.
We’re talking about when Jesus spoke to Peter about forgiveness, not some episode in COPS. In that time period, their beliefs, if you forgave someone, even your own family member more than 2-3 times, you were a fool. So Peter, in frustration asked Jesus, we’ll how many times should I forgive someone..seven times? And seven times would’ve been ridiculous! And Jesus says not seven times, but seventy seven times. He’s telling Peter with this insane high number that there is no limit to forgive someone.
Matthew :18 21-22 21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times