The LAST thing we need is a religious theocracy. You want to believe in your specific flavor of Christianity? Fine. Don't tell me I have to believe in it.
Hes not calling for a theocracy, he's calling for Americans to turn back to God, which is our roots.
"If my people which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will i hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land"
Our roots are FREEDOM. There is quite a bit of overlap between American values and Christian values, but this is an American nation, not a Christian theocracy.
you keep using that word. but by definition, a theocracy cannot be Christian, because theocracies aren't permitted by the Bible. Freedom of religion is Biblical. USA is very Christian.
It doesn't matter what the Bible says to these people. They can find some phrase in the Bible to support literally any position. That's why there was a Church of England.
If religion comes into play in a significant way here, it's going to be one giant clusterfuck
Obviously the majority of people are going to take it to mean that we're a "Christian Nation", but when I ask them what they think that means, they can't give an answer other than something along the lines of "people will turn to God" or something along those lines.
So right off the bat, every religion other than Christianity is going to be disenfranchised. Lovely, we're just going to rip that whole First Amendment Establishment Clause right out of the Constitution and wipe our asses with it.
But depending on how stupid the country gets over this whole "Christian Nation" stuff, it's going to be an EPIC clusterfuck when Catholics and Protestants start fighting over who the "True Christians" (there really needs to be a trademark on that term) are, thus who rules the country under the umbrella term of "Christianity".
I'm sure that's not going to cause any trouble at all. It's not like we have literally centuries of wars all over the European continent that was caused because of this stuff. It's not like it was one of the reasons our forefathers came here just to get away from this shit. (I need to point out that this is sarcasm, because it's inevitable that if I don't, some troglodyte will pop up telling me how I'm wrong.)
So apparently we're just going to reenact the Thirty Years War and The Eighty Years War and shit, let's just redo the Spanish Inquisition while we're at it. No one will expect that!
I'm sure the Protestants will win, due to numbers alone. (We'll just conveniently ignore that whole "mob rule" jibber jabber that people talk about when it concerns the Popular Vote vs Electoral College stuff).
So now the Protestants will duke it out amongst themselves as to which denomination are "True Christians". I'm sure that this will be settled peacefully. Because surely there has never been an issue of countries fighting over which particular flavor of their religion should be in charge. (This is sarcasm as well. Because, you know, that whole Sunni vs Shia stuff...).
It's going to be ever so much fun to see how this is going to turn out. Depending on who the top dog is when the dust settles, I suppose we'll all learn, after thousands of years of fighting over it, who the "True Christians" are.
So, yeah, excellent decision on making religion a divisive factor in the country. I'm sure that will not blow up in our faces at all. (Again, sarcasm.)
Fuck my life, this is going to be a goddamn nightmare.
When were found clearly on Christian principles. The freedom of worship allows for people of any belief system to continue. I lived in a Muslim country (jordan) where christianity is legal but not the state recognized belief system. Majority of people were Muslim and it seemed fine for.the rest. I prefer a Christian paradigm since our majority are Christian here.
A true Christian is someone who follows Jesus and has a personal relationship with our savior following repentance and confession to being a sinner. We don’t need religion to do that. But we do need to recognize HE is God and died for our sins to bring us salvation and offer us each a relationship with HIM. Being a Christian nation would mean that we follow in the footsteps of Jesus as we recognize we live in his promised land. This country was founded as “One Nation Under God”. God needs to be recognized and identified as Jesus (since there are other lower fake gods being worshipped = moloch’s) HOWEVER I do not believe in religion and agree we do not need to push any of that crap on the American people as it will only deter them further and push them away from the truth. I didn’t like that Trump used the word religion in his speech but hopefully in time his message will clear up and only pertain to what is written in the constitution. ✝️
Exactly. Many came here to escape religious persecution.
The Mormons even had to escape religious persecution on this continent by going way out west.
You will not find "Christ", "Christian", etc. anywhere in the Declaration of Independence, the Preamble to the Constitution, or the Constitution. You will not find any form of deity mentioned in the Constitution. The Constitution is this country's foundational document and "Christ" is nowhere to be found. You will find them in the other two documents though as "Creator" and "Nature's God". "Nature's God" is a very deistic expression. Look up "deism".
I'm an atheist, but can see what Trump is saying from his standpoint. I'm fine with it. Also, the last fucking thing we need here is Islamic zealots and Sharia law.
I think what Trump means is we just need decent family values again. The idea that devil worshipping pedophiles run America is crazy sounding but legit. That needs to be countered societywide. I just wish that info could be more openly discussed without people calling us crazy because a letter on a random anonymous board started posting this prophetic stuff years ago.
Exactly. We need to recognize our foundation. The constitution was written with this basis - we are one nation under God. It’s time people know the truth and recognize that. If they don’t want to believe so be it but we have a duty to preserve the origins of our history so that it is not erased. There’s a big reason the demoncrats wants to throw out the constitution - and if they succeed the Bible is next.
I don’t believe that’s what is happening here fren. Freedom is the cornerstone of true Christianity. Free will with the freedom to choose is paramount to our Father’s will. Even Jesus Himself instructed us to pray that God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven - not to impose it on others. The communist satanic war mongering globalists are the tyrants taking away our freedoms. This is dark to light. BTW I did not downvote your comment.
So, there's spiritual Christianity, and there's the Christian church. The church is what worries me as they are ones who want to legislate Christianity into law. This is routinely countered by The Satanic Temple in often humorous but important ways. We cannot have laws that respect Christianity and not Satanism (this is not the kind that sacrifices children or animals...that's something else). We CAN ban the sacrifice of animals and children...but that would mean the jews cannot do their red heiffer thing, either (and we don't want them to because end times stuff...yeah). Meanwhile, atheists are rolling their eyes wishing all religions in general (including the devil worshipping pedo cults) would just perish and we would be left with a decently moral secular society.
This is interesting because I was thinking about how President Trump's video relates to atheists as I was making my coffee this morning. IMO this is good news for atheists. Atheists aren't, and would not be, exempt from the increasingly tyrannical mandates from the cabal. Eventually we (atheists and non-atheists alike) would be forced to confess our agreement with preferred pronouns, men can be women, etc. or otherwise not just lose our jobs but likely our lives.
I say this not because I believe that Jesus Christ is King "because I believe it / think so" but because I believe it is the truth, it is reality. With Christianity though God calls us to spread the voluntary gospel, but the harvest belongs to Him. Anyone who tries to force Christianity on anyone is NOT a true Christian.
What I wish for all of us is not a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind.
I agree with your opening sentence completely. You separate there man made theology from spirituality. I as a Christian have a problem with denominations which are a fancy way to say divisions. God had nothing to with any of them.forming. all man made. I've met the least informed people concerning God's word in churches. The Bible says believers are of the Body of Christ and CHrist is the head. Not thr pope, not an ecclesiastical body or synod, not any man. Most of what calls itself Christianity isn't Christian at all but in name.
That's still a religion, albeit looser than the church. However, there is a lot of overlap between this generic form of Christianity and deism, pantheism, and panentheism (and panpsychism by extension). Taoism fits well within this worldview, too. I think the actual character of Jesus would be much better company than his followers, particularly the weaponized christian types who want to make America a theocracy.
The church itself doesn’t worry me. There is value to some religious practices as they have the structures to grow people spiritually through teachings and community. The BIG problem with most churches and religions today is the corruption within them and the watered down scriptures. You are lucky to find one that is true to God and won’t lead you astray. You’d have much better luck if you try and find God on your own.
That's why we're better off being atheists. Dismiss everything. Then, when God comes along wanting to know why we dismissed him, show him the clusterfuck of belief systems, each more bizarre than the last. If he was a reasonable God, then he would understand.
It as call for those who wish to listen. If a leader can call people to follow the woke culture then one can lead to bring people this way as well. There is a right way.
The LAST thing we need is a religious theocracy. You want to believe in your specific flavor of Christianity? Fine. Don't tell me I have to believe in it.
Hes not calling for a theocracy, he's calling for Americans to turn back to God, which is our roots.
"If my people which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will i hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land"
Our roots are FREEDOM. There is quite a bit of overlap between American values and Christian values, but this is an American nation, not a Christian theocracy.
you keep using that word. but by definition, a theocracy cannot be Christian, because theocracies aren't permitted by the Bible. Freedom of religion is Biblical. USA is very Christian.
It doesn't matter what the Bible says to these people. They can find some phrase in the Bible to support literally any position. That's why there was a Church of England.
Well said. 100% agree.
If religion comes into play in a significant way here, it's going to be one giant clusterfuck
Obviously the majority of people are going to take it to mean that we're a "Christian Nation", but when I ask them what they think that means, they can't give an answer other than something along the lines of "people will turn to God" or something along those lines.
So right off the bat, every religion other than Christianity is going to be disenfranchised. Lovely, we're just going to rip that whole First Amendment Establishment Clause right out of the Constitution and wipe our asses with it.
But depending on how stupid the country gets over this whole "Christian Nation" stuff, it's going to be an EPIC clusterfuck when Catholics and Protestants start fighting over who the "True Christians" (there really needs to be a trademark on that term) are, thus who rules the country under the umbrella term of "Christianity".
I'm sure that's not going to cause any trouble at all. It's not like we have literally centuries of wars all over the European continent that was caused because of this stuff. It's not like it was one of the reasons our forefathers came here just to get away from this shit. (I need to point out that this is sarcasm, because it's inevitable that if I don't, some troglodyte will pop up telling me how I'm wrong.)
So apparently we're just going to reenact the Thirty Years War and The Eighty Years War and shit, let's just redo the Spanish Inquisition while we're at it. No one will expect that!
I'm sure the Protestants will win, due to numbers alone. (We'll just conveniently ignore that whole "mob rule" jibber jabber that people talk about when it concerns the Popular Vote vs Electoral College stuff).
So now the Protestants will duke it out amongst themselves as to which denomination are "True Christians". I'm sure that this will be settled peacefully. Because surely there has never been an issue of countries fighting over which particular flavor of their religion should be in charge. (This is sarcasm as well. Because, you know, that whole Sunni vs Shia stuff...).
It's going to be ever so much fun to see how this is going to turn out. Depending on who the top dog is when the dust settles, I suppose we'll all learn, after thousands of years of fighting over it, who the "True Christians" are.
So, yeah, excellent decision on making religion a divisive factor in the country. I'm sure that will not blow up in our faces at all. (Again, sarcasm.)
Fuck my life, this is going to be a goddamn nightmare.
When were found clearly on Christian principles. The freedom of worship allows for people of any belief system to continue. I lived in a Muslim country (jordan) where christianity is legal but not the state recognized belief system. Majority of people were Muslim and it seemed fine for.the rest. I prefer a Christian paradigm since our majority are Christian here.
A true Christian is someone who follows Jesus and has a personal relationship with our savior following repentance and confession to being a sinner. We don’t need religion to do that. But we do need to recognize HE is God and died for our sins to bring us salvation and offer us each a relationship with HIM. Being a Christian nation would mean that we follow in the footsteps of Jesus as we recognize we live in his promised land. This country was founded as “One Nation Under God”. God needs to be recognized and identified as Jesus (since there are other lower fake gods being worshipped = moloch’s) HOWEVER I do not believe in religion and agree we do not need to push any of that crap on the American people as it will only deter them further and push them away from the truth. I didn’t like that Trump used the word religion in his speech but hopefully in time his message will clear up and only pertain to what is written in the constitution. ✝️
And all along, Jesus is sitting in Heaven with his face in his palm. The Taoists got it right, and they never even mention his name.
Exactly. Many came here to escape religious persecution.
The Mormons even had to escape religious persecution on this continent by going way out west.
You will not find "Christ", "Christian", etc. anywhere in the Declaration of Independence, the Preamble to the Constitution, or the Constitution. You will not find any form of deity mentioned in the Constitution. The Constitution is this country's foundational document and "Christ" is nowhere to be found. You will find them in the other two documents though as "Creator" and "Nature's God". "Nature's God" is a very deistic expression. Look up "deism".
I'm an atheist, but can see what Trump is saying from his standpoint. I'm fine with it. Also, the last fucking thing we need here is Islamic zealots and Sharia law.
I think what Trump means is we just need decent family values again. The idea that devil worshipping pedophiles run America is crazy sounding but legit. That needs to be countered societywide. I just wish that info could be more openly discussed without people calling us crazy because a letter on a random anonymous board started posting this prophetic stuff years ago.
As usual, 100% agree with you. ✌️
Exactly. We need to recognize our foundation. The constitution was written with this basis - we are one nation under God. It’s time people know the truth and recognize that. If they don’t want to believe so be it but we have a duty to preserve the origins of our history so that it is not erased. There’s a big reason the demoncrats wants to throw out the constitution - and if they succeed the Bible is next.
I don’t believe that’s what is happening here fren. Freedom is the cornerstone of true Christianity. Free will with the freedom to choose is paramount to our Father’s will. Even Jesus Himself instructed us to pray that God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven - not to impose it on others. The communist satanic war mongering globalists are the tyrants taking away our freedoms. This is dark to light. BTW I did not downvote your comment.
So, there's spiritual Christianity, and there's the Christian church. The church is what worries me as they are ones who want to legislate Christianity into law. This is routinely countered by The Satanic Temple in often humorous but important ways. We cannot have laws that respect Christianity and not Satanism (this is not the kind that sacrifices children or animals...that's something else). We CAN ban the sacrifice of animals and children...but that would mean the jews cannot do their red heiffer thing, either (and we don't want them to because end times stuff...yeah). Meanwhile, atheists are rolling their eyes wishing all religions in general (including the devil worshipping pedo cults) would just perish and we would be left with a decently moral secular society.
This is interesting because I was thinking about how President Trump's video relates to atheists as I was making my coffee this morning. IMO this is good news for atheists. Atheists aren't, and would not be, exempt from the increasingly tyrannical mandates from the cabal. Eventually we (atheists and non-atheists alike) would be forced to confess our agreement with preferred pronouns, men can be women, etc. or otherwise not just lose our jobs but likely our lives.
I say this not because I believe that Jesus Christ is King "because I believe it / think so" but because I believe it is the truth, it is reality. With Christianity though God calls us to spread the voluntary gospel, but the harvest belongs to Him. Anyone who tries to force Christianity on anyone is NOT a true Christian.
What I wish for all of us is not a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind.
Yeah, I'm staunchly conservative, minus religion. I don't care what your beliefs are as long as they don't negatively impact me.
I agree with your opening sentence completely. You separate there man made theology from spirituality. I as a Christian have a problem with denominations which are a fancy way to say divisions. God had nothing to with any of them.forming. all man made. I've met the least informed people concerning God's word in churches. The Bible says believers are of the Body of Christ and CHrist is the head. Not thr pope, not an ecclesiastical body or synod, not any man. Most of what calls itself Christianity isn't Christian at all but in name.
That's still a religion, albeit looser than the church. However, there is a lot of overlap between this generic form of Christianity and deism, pantheism, and panentheism (and panpsychism by extension). Taoism fits well within this worldview, too. I think the actual character of Jesus would be much better company than his followers, particularly the weaponized christian types who want to make America a theocracy.
The church itself doesn’t worry me. There is value to some religious practices as they have the structures to grow people spiritually through teachings and community. The BIG problem with most churches and religions today is the corruption within them and the watered down scriptures. You are lucky to find one that is true to God and won’t lead you astray. You’d have much better luck if you try and find God on your own.
That's why we're better off being atheists. Dismiss everything. Then, when God comes along wanting to know why we dismissed him, show him the clusterfuck of belief systems, each more bizarre than the last. If he was a reasonable God, then he would understand.
It as call for those who wish to listen. If a leader can call people to follow the woke culture then one can lead to bring people this way as well. There is a right way.