Hes not calling for a theocracy, he's calling for Americans to turn back to God, which is our roots.
"If my people which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will i hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land"
Our roots are FREEDOM. There is quite a bit of overlap between American values and Christian values, but this is an American nation, not a Christian theocracy.
you keep using that word. but by definition, a theocracy cannot be Christian, because theocracies aren't permitted by the Bible. Freedom of religion is Biblical. USA is very Christian.
It doesn't matter what the Bible says to these people. They can find some phrase in the Bible to support literally any position. That's why there was a Church of England.
Correct as you find things to support your own unbelief which proves what ever some one else does you are able to maintain your freedom of will and think as you please.
If religion comes into play in a significant way here, it's going to be one giant clusterfuck
Obviously the majority of people are going to take it to mean that we're a "Christian Nation", but when I ask them what they think that means, they can't give an answer other than something along the lines of "people will turn to God" or something along those lines.
So right off the bat, every religion other than Christianity is going to be disenfranchised. Lovely, we're just going to rip that whole First Amendment Establishment Clause right out of the Constitution and wipe our asses with it.
But depending on how stupid the country gets over this whole "Christian Nation" stuff, it's going to be an EPIC clusterfuck when Catholics and Protestants start fighting over who the "True Christians" (there really needs to be a trademark on that term) are, thus who rules the country under the umbrella term of "Christianity".
I'm sure that's not going to cause any trouble at all. It's not like we have literally centuries of wars all over the European continent that was caused because of this stuff. It's not like it was one of the reasons our forefathers came here just to get away from this shit. (I need to point out that this is sarcasm, because it's inevitable that if I don't, some troglodyte will pop up telling me how I'm wrong.)
So apparently we're just going to reenact the Thirty Years War and The Eighty Years War and shit, let's just redo the Spanish Inquisition while we're at it. No one will expect that!
I'm sure the Protestants will win, due to numbers alone. (We'll just conveniently ignore that whole "mob rule" jibber jabber that people talk about when it concerns the Popular Vote vs Electoral College stuff).
So now the Protestants will duke it out amongst themselves as to which denomination are "True Christians". I'm sure that this will be settled peacefully. Because surely there has never been an issue of countries fighting over which particular flavor of their religion should be in charge. (This is sarcasm as well. Because, you know, that whole Sunni vs Shia stuff...).
It's going to be ever so much fun to see how this is going to turn out. Depending on who the top dog is when the dust settles, I suppose we'll all learn, after thousands of years of fighting over it, who the "True Christians" are.
So, yeah, excellent decision on making religion a divisive factor in the country. I'm sure that will not blow up in our faces at all. (Again, sarcasm.)
Fuck my life, this is going to be a goddamn nightmare.
When were found clearly on Christian principles. The freedom of worship allows for people of any belief system to continue. I lived in a Muslim country (jordan) where christianity is legal but not the state recognized belief system. Majority of people were Muslim and it seemed fine for.the rest. I prefer a Christian paradigm since our majority are Christian here.
Which principles were we founded on that are unique to Christianity? I would be absolutely thrilled if you could list those for me. Because every time I have a conversation about this, I ask the same question and have yet to get an actual answer.
The principles we were founded on can be found, in some form, in most major religions. They can also be found in the writings of ancient Greek philosophers and in the Code of Hammurabi.
I could just as easily say that America is a polythiestic country, because we were founded on the same principles as those of ancient Greece.
But more importantly, when you think of the US being a Christian Nation, what do you think that means, practically speaking? Does it mean Christians get preferential treatment over others? Normally I would ask if it means that only Christians should be allowed to live here, but thankfully that was already made clear in your post that you don't believe that.
A true Christian is someone who follows Jesus and has a personal relationship with our savior following repentance and confession to being a sinner. We don’t need religion to do that. But we do need to recognize HE is God and died for our sins to bring us salvation and offer us each a relationship with HIM. Being a Christian nation would mean that we follow in the footsteps of Jesus as we recognize we live in his promised land. This country was founded as “One Nation Under God”. God needs to be recognized and identified as Jesus (since there are other lower fake gods being worshipped = moloch’s) HOWEVER I do not believe in religion and agree we do not need to push any of that crap on the American people as it will only deter them further and push them away from the truth. I didn’t like that Trump used the word religion in his speech but hopefully in time his message will clear up and only pertain to what is written in the constitution. ✝️
Exactly. Many came here to escape religious persecution.
The Mormons even had to escape religious persecution on this continent by going way out west.
You will not find "Christ", "Christian", etc. anywhere in the Declaration of Independence, the Preamble to the Constitution, or the Constitution. You will not find any form of deity mentioned in the Constitution. The Constitution is this country's foundational document and "Christ" is nowhere to be found. You will find them in the other two documents though as "Creator" and "Nature's God". "Nature's God" is a very deistic expression. Look up "deism".
I'm an atheist, but can see what Trump is saying from his standpoint. I'm fine with it. Also, the last fucking thing we need here is Islamic zealots and Sharia law.
I think what Trump means is we just need decent family values again. The idea that devil worshipping pedophiles run America is crazy sounding but legit. That needs to be countered societywide. I just wish that info could be more openly discussed without people calling us crazy because a letter on a random anonymous board started posting this prophetic stuff years ago.
Exactly. We need to recognize our foundation. The constitution was written with this basis - we are one nation under God. It’s time people know the truth and recognize that. If they don’t want to believe so be it but we have a duty to preserve the origins of our history so that it is not erased. There’s a big reason the demoncrats wants to throw out the constitution - and if they succeed the Bible is next.
Hes not calling for a theocracy, he's calling for Americans to turn back to God, which is our roots.
"If my people which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will i hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land"
Our roots are FREEDOM. There is quite a bit of overlap between American values and Christian values, but this is an American nation, not a Christian theocracy.
you keep using that word. but by definition, a theocracy cannot be Christian, because theocracies aren't permitted by the Bible. Freedom of religion is Biblical. USA is very Christian.
It doesn't matter what the Bible says to these people. They can find some phrase in the Bible to support literally any position. That's why there was a Church of England.
Correct as you find things to support your own unbelief which proves what ever some one else does you are able to maintain your freedom of will and think as you please.
Well said. 100% agree.
If religion comes into play in a significant way here, it's going to be one giant clusterfuck
Obviously the majority of people are going to take it to mean that we're a "Christian Nation", but when I ask them what they think that means, they can't give an answer other than something along the lines of "people will turn to God" or something along those lines.
So right off the bat, every religion other than Christianity is going to be disenfranchised. Lovely, we're just going to rip that whole First Amendment Establishment Clause right out of the Constitution and wipe our asses with it.
But depending on how stupid the country gets over this whole "Christian Nation" stuff, it's going to be an EPIC clusterfuck when Catholics and Protestants start fighting over who the "True Christians" (there really needs to be a trademark on that term) are, thus who rules the country under the umbrella term of "Christianity".
I'm sure that's not going to cause any trouble at all. It's not like we have literally centuries of wars all over the European continent that was caused because of this stuff. It's not like it was one of the reasons our forefathers came here just to get away from this shit. (I need to point out that this is sarcasm, because it's inevitable that if I don't, some troglodyte will pop up telling me how I'm wrong.)
So apparently we're just going to reenact the Thirty Years War and The Eighty Years War and shit, let's just redo the Spanish Inquisition while we're at it. No one will expect that!
I'm sure the Protestants will win, due to numbers alone. (We'll just conveniently ignore that whole "mob rule" jibber jabber that people talk about when it concerns the Popular Vote vs Electoral College stuff).
So now the Protestants will duke it out amongst themselves as to which denomination are "True Christians". I'm sure that this will be settled peacefully. Because surely there has never been an issue of countries fighting over which particular flavor of their religion should be in charge. (This is sarcasm as well. Because, you know, that whole Sunni vs Shia stuff...).
It's going to be ever so much fun to see how this is going to turn out. Depending on who the top dog is when the dust settles, I suppose we'll all learn, after thousands of years of fighting over it, who the "True Christians" are.
So, yeah, excellent decision on making religion a divisive factor in the country. I'm sure that will not blow up in our faces at all. (Again, sarcasm.)
Fuck my life, this is going to be a goddamn nightmare.
When were found clearly on Christian principles. The freedom of worship allows for people of any belief system to continue. I lived in a Muslim country (jordan) where christianity is legal but not the state recognized belief system. Majority of people were Muslim and it seemed fine for.the rest. I prefer a Christian paradigm since our majority are Christian here.
Which principles were we founded on that are unique to Christianity? I would be absolutely thrilled if you could list those for me. Because every time I have a conversation about this, I ask the same question and have yet to get an actual answer.
The principles we were founded on can be found, in some form, in most major religions. They can also be found in the writings of ancient Greek philosophers and in the Code of Hammurabi.
I could just as easily say that America is a polythiestic country, because we were founded on the same principles as those of ancient Greece.
But more importantly, when you think of the US being a Christian Nation, what do you think that means, practically speaking? Does it mean Christians get preferential treatment over others? Normally I would ask if it means that only Christians should be allowed to live here, but thankfully that was already made clear in your post that you don't believe that.
A true Christian is someone who follows Jesus and has a personal relationship with our savior following repentance and confession to being a sinner. We don’t need religion to do that. But we do need to recognize HE is God and died for our sins to bring us salvation and offer us each a relationship with HIM. Being a Christian nation would mean that we follow in the footsteps of Jesus as we recognize we live in his promised land. This country was founded as “One Nation Under God”. God needs to be recognized and identified as Jesus (since there are other lower fake gods being worshipped = moloch’s) HOWEVER I do not believe in religion and agree we do not need to push any of that crap on the American people as it will only deter them further and push them away from the truth. I didn’t like that Trump used the word religion in his speech but hopefully in time his message will clear up and only pertain to what is written in the constitution. ✝️
I think you missed my point entirely.
And all along, Jesus is sitting in Heaven with his face in his palm. The Taoists got it right, and they never even mention his name.
Exactly. Many came here to escape religious persecution.
The Mormons even had to escape religious persecution on this continent by going way out west.
You will not find "Christ", "Christian", etc. anywhere in the Declaration of Independence, the Preamble to the Constitution, or the Constitution. You will not find any form of deity mentioned in the Constitution. The Constitution is this country's foundational document and "Christ" is nowhere to be found. You will find them in the other two documents though as "Creator" and "Nature's God". "Nature's God" is a very deistic expression. Look up "deism".
I'm an atheist, but can see what Trump is saying from his standpoint. I'm fine with it. Also, the last fucking thing we need here is Islamic zealots and Sharia law.
I think what Trump means is we just need decent family values again. The idea that devil worshipping pedophiles run America is crazy sounding but legit. That needs to be countered societywide. I just wish that info could be more openly discussed without people calling us crazy because a letter on a random anonymous board started posting this prophetic stuff years ago.
As usual, 100% agree with you. ✌️
Exactly. We need to recognize our foundation. The constitution was written with this basis - we are one nation under God. It’s time people know the truth and recognize that. If they don’t want to believe so be it but we have a duty to preserve the origins of our history so that it is not erased. There’s a big reason the demoncrats wants to throw out the constitution - and if they succeed the Bible is next.