This makes the most sense. Trump has been trolling them the whole time.
Grok: There was indeed a YMCA presence at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba. Specifically, historical records indicate that the base was formerly the site of a YMCA in Cuba, with references dating back to at least 1918.
The person who wrote the song has recently spoken out about this. He says the song was NOT intended to promote a homosexual context, and he is happy all the way to the bank that Trump is using it.
Hmm. How one would explain the past 50 years of understanding of the song (minus those outside the cultural loop) + prior statements made by the artists would then be an interesting thing to behold
"Understanding of the song" or simple prejudicial assumptions? As a humble author, myself, I tend to support what the songwriter has to say about it. He says it is NOT a "gay anthem." Why is the author wrong, and everyone else right?
I don't know, it's hard to square with fellow band members saying it was a gay song + the culture of the day understanding it as such + the YMCA itself distancing from it due to the gay subtext and said cultural understanding + the context of the local YMCA in Greenwich Village which is the song's inspiration being a known gay forum + Greenwich Village itself being a known gay hotspot in NYC at the time and the fact that that place is where the band derived it's stage name from
Man for all we know he was pressured to take that stance. How can one argue against the contemporary consensus about the song? Unless that narrative was a fake news smear campaign from 50 years ago. Needless to say I doubt I'd be able to contact the author of the song with my measley ass. kek
All I know is what he said. You don't know anything. Contemporary "consensus"? It seems that the "consensus" about the word "queer" is that it simply refers to homosexuality. This came up in a discussion about L. Frank Baum and the Oz stories, where "queer" plainly meant something that was Unusually Abnormal. Was Baum writing about homosexuals? Absolutely not.
The songwriter hadn't been heard from in years. No one thought about him, but he was disturbed that his song was being taken as a "gay anthem." You can track him down. You can write an open letter to him. I doubt you would be able to contact him, also, because you give up in advance of doing anything.
I can see either or being the case. However it should be noted that the YMCA organization itself tried to distance from the song due to the way it was received at the time, so at the very least, they were completely tone-deaf in dropping a song that would be so easily perceived as a homo anthem. I could of course be putting the cart before the horse here.
From AI-
At the time, the YMCA was still largely perceived as a family-oriented and wholesome organization, and the song's connection to gay culture stirred some unease among conservative members of the organization. The lyrics and the music video, which depicted men having fun in a way that could be interpreted as flirtatious, led to concerns that the song could overshadow the organization's mission and values.
Some local YMCAs reportedly tried to distance themselves from the song, especially when it became a popular party anthem in gay clubs. The organization faced a dilemma: while the song contributed positively to visibility for the LGBTQ+ community, it also potentially conflicted with the YMCA's image as a family-friendly establishment.
Despite this tension, the song's catchy tune and widespread popularity ultimately made it a cultural phenomenon, and the YMCA came to embrace its association with the song over time, recognizing its role in promoting inclusion and diversity. The song remains a significant part of both the YMCA's history and LGBTQ+ culture.
I mean I could write the guy but I doubt he'd reply to a non-public figure. Regardless of that, the abundance of sentiment from the time of the song's release and subsequent years after rings quite another tune... When did the author make the claim that it wasn't about homosexual comradery? (apologies if you already stated the date, I'm half asleep)
So was the YMCA a gay groomer club this whole time? Did I miss something? I found a "charity" in Colorado, littleton, I think. "Toys for Gods Kids" I tried donating 1,000 whistles I made and free wood. In person this guy said oh no we dont want them to have whistles and giggled. He then noticed the crain truck next to him had a green Q on the peak of the boom. He took only some of the lumber I gave him and bailed. He did NOTl ike the Q. It was like kryptonite to this guy.
David Hodo, who performed as the band’s construction worker, told Spin, “‘YMCA’ certainly has a gay origin.” .. “I mean, look at us. We were a gay group,” he said, noting that his band’s music was often played in Black, Latin, and gay underground clubs. “Was the song written to celebrate gay men at the YMCA? Yes. Absolutely. And gay people love it.”
The particular YMCA location in NYC which inspired the song:
Greenwich Village YMCA Scandals: There have been instances of scandals associated with the YMCA in Greenwich Village. One notable example is the story behind the song “YMCA” by the Village People. The song was inspired by the McBurney YMCA, located on 23rd Street between 7th and 8th Avenue in the Chelsea district of New York City, adjacent to Greenwich Village. The McBurney YMCA had a reputation as a meeting place for the gay community in the 1970s. However, there is no direct information available about specific scandals at the Greenwich Village YMCA.
Historical Context: In the early 20th century, there were instances of scandals and police crackdowns on gay men at YMCAs in other cities, such as Portland, Oregon. These events often involved the arrest of men for sodomy or contributing to the delinquency of minors, and were sometimes fueled by anti-elite and populist sentiment.
Cultural Significance: The YMCA in Greenwich Village, particularly the McBurney YMCA, has been a significant cultural hub, with notable members including Andy Warhol, Edward Albee, and Al Pacino. The Village People’s song “YMCA” has become an iconic representation of the gay community and the YMCA’s reputation as a meeting place.
-AI
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I don't think the YMCA as a whole was a grooming outfit, but the one associated with the song sure appears to be.
Then if we are watching a movie...I suggest The Last Boyscout because if true about the motivation to use Y.M.C.A then DJT is Bruce Willis dancing a jig...before (they) are even in the ground. I do like the thought of it. Be prepared "Satan Klaus" tries to be anywhere it can.
"song about gay men exploiting vulnerable men and boys"
The author refutes it.
YMCA has never been gay, says the song's lyricist and singer. If you thought that YMCA by Village People was a gay anthem, think again. According to Victor Willis, who wrote the lyrics, the famous song is entirely heterosexual – and anyone suggesting something to the contrary should “get their minds out of the gutter”.
He's the only one with the authority to say what it was written about, anything beyond that is mind-reading lunacy the left engages in.
This makes the most sense. Trump has been trolling them the whole time.
This is like a Meme in itself. Trump putting out his own Meme.
The person who wrote the song has recently spoken out about this. He says the song was NOT intended to promote a homosexual context, and he is happy all the way to the bank that Trump is using it.
Hmm. How one would explain the past 50 years of understanding of the song (minus those outside the cultural loop) + prior statements made by the artists would then be an interesting thing to behold
"Understanding of the song" or simple prejudicial assumptions? As a humble author, myself, I tend to support what the songwriter has to say about it. He says it is NOT a "gay anthem." Why is the author wrong, and everyone else right?
I don't know, it's hard to square with fellow band members saying it was a gay song + the culture of the day understanding it as such + the YMCA itself distancing from it due to the gay subtext and said cultural understanding + the context of the local YMCA in Greenwich Village which is the song's inspiration being a known gay forum + Greenwich Village itself being a known gay hotspot in NYC at the time and the fact that that place is where the band derived it's stage name from
So, you go tell the songwriter he is wrong. I'm sure he will hear you respectfully.
Man for all we know he was pressured to take that stance. How can one argue against the contemporary consensus about the song? Unless that narrative was a fake news smear campaign from 50 years ago. Needless to say I doubt I'd be able to contact the author of the song with my measley ass. kek
All I know is what he said. You don't know anything. Contemporary "consensus"? It seems that the "consensus" about the word "queer" is that it simply refers to homosexuality. This came up in a discussion about L. Frank Baum and the Oz stories, where "queer" plainly meant something that was Unusually Abnormal. Was Baum writing about homosexuals? Absolutely not.
The songwriter hadn't been heard from in years. No one thought about him, but he was disturbed that his song was being taken as a "gay anthem." You can track him down. You can write an open letter to him. I doubt you would be able to contact him, also, because you give up in advance of doing anything.
Ok, I did a google. 2017
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/village-people-founder-victor-willis-on-why-ymca-wasnt-a-gay-song/news-story/6a5c7a926bf8bb235d1bea9ceb0d6a92
compare with
https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/the-real-story-of-the-ymca-that-inspired-the-village-peoples-gay-anthem
I can see either or being the case. However it should be noted that the YMCA organization itself tried to distance from the song due to the way it was received at the time, so at the very least, they were completely tone-deaf in dropping a song that would be so easily perceived as a homo anthem. I could of course be putting the cart before the horse here.
From AI-
At the time, the YMCA was still largely perceived as a family-oriented and wholesome organization, and the song's connection to gay culture stirred some unease among conservative members of the organization. The lyrics and the music video, which depicted men having fun in a way that could be interpreted as flirtatious, led to concerns that the song could overshadow the organization's mission and values.
Some local YMCAs reportedly tried to distance themselves from the song, especially when it became a popular party anthem in gay clubs. The organization faced a dilemma: while the song contributed positively to visibility for the LGBTQ+ community, it also potentially conflicted with the YMCA's image as a family-friendly establishment.
Despite this tension, the song's catchy tune and widespread popularity ultimately made it a cultural phenomenon, and the YMCA came to embrace its association with the song over time, recognizing its role in promoting inclusion and diversity. The song remains a significant part of both the YMCA's history and LGBTQ+ culture.
I mean I could write the guy but I doubt he'd reply to a non-public figure. Regardless of that, the abundance of sentiment from the time of the song's release and subsequent years after rings quite another tune... When did the author make the claim that it wasn't about homosexual comradery? (apologies if you already stated the date, I'm half asleep)
So was the YMCA a gay groomer club this whole time? Did I miss something? I found a "charity" in Colorado, littleton, I think. "Toys for Gods Kids" I tried donating 1,000 whistles I made and free wood. In person this guy said oh no we dont want them to have whistles and giggled. He then noticed the crain truck next to him had a green Q on the peak of the boom. He took only some of the lumber I gave him and bailed. He did NOTl ike the Q. It was like kryptonite to this guy.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/04/is-it-actually-gay-heres-the-true-meaning-of-the-song-ymca/
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https://blogs.loc.gov/now-see-hear/2021/06/happy-pride-how-y-m-c-a-became-a-gay-anthem/
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Questionable lyrics sprinkled within the wholesome lyrics:
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/villagepeople/ymca.html
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The particular YMCA location in NYC which inspired the song:
Greenwich Village YMCA Scandals: There have been instances of scandals associated with the YMCA in Greenwich Village. One notable example is the story behind the song “YMCA” by the Village People. The song was inspired by the McBurney YMCA, located on 23rd Street between 7th and 8th Avenue in the Chelsea district of New York City, adjacent to Greenwich Village. The McBurney YMCA had a reputation as a meeting place for the gay community in the 1970s. However, there is no direct information available about specific scandals at the Greenwich Village YMCA.
Historical Context: In the early 20th century, there were instances of scandals and police crackdowns on gay men at YMCAs in other cities, such as Portland, Oregon. These events often involved the arrest of men for sodomy or contributing to the delinquency of minors, and were sometimes fueled by anti-elite and populist sentiment.
Cultural Significance: The YMCA in Greenwich Village, particularly the McBurney YMCA, has been a significant cultural hub, with notable members including Andy Warhol, Edward Albee, and Al Pacino. The Village People’s song “YMCA” has become an iconic representation of the gay community and the YMCA’s reputation as a meeting place.
-AI
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I don't think the YMCA as a whole was a grooming outfit, but the one associated with the song sure appears to be.
When I realized this aspect of this song and In The Navy several years ago, I went cold.
🤦🏼♀️ooohhh —Troller in Chief! DS had to be pissed every time! Hysterical
Then if we are watching a movie...I suggest The Last Boyscout because if true about the motivation to use Y.M.C.A then DJT is Bruce Willis dancing a jig...before (they) are even in the ground. I do like the thought of it. Be prepared "Satan Klaus" tries to be anywhere it can.
"song about gay men exploiting vulnerable men and boys"
The author refutes it.
He's the only one with the authority to say what it was written about, anything beyond that is mind-reading lunacy the left engages in.