After learning about deworming and prescribing/sharing the notes I've compiled from GAW with friends and family who have been diagnosed with cancer in the past year, a few weeks ago, I decided to have a go at it myself.
It's a wild story and TLDR is somehow taking 444mg fenbendazole (2g Panacur) 3 days on, 4 days off for the last 3 weeks has made me feel like upbeat, positive and super productive like my brain went from chugging along on 2 cylinders to firing on all 8.
I'm unvaccinated, have had the scam virus a couple times which I naturally shrugged off (with the help of DayQuil) and have no lasting side effects. I consider myself as a mostly healthy adult with some long standing quirks which I was trying to solve with this deworming program are: 1) waking up to pee too often (2-3 times average) at night - ongoing since I was a teenager, one of my parents does the same and I thought it was normal growing up, 2) tiredness and lethargy (especially around 3-4pm and past 9pm) and 3) regular low level body pain (mostly back, butt... probably from sitting at the PC too long)
I have self-diagnosed high-functioning ADHD and perhaps some form of autism, main symptoms are not being able to sit and focus on doing anything (it's a miracle I've managed to survive in the workforce for this long) and having no filter, I speak my mind freely, to the disdain of the politically correct world. I also have proven periods of hyperfocus which come and go every few years.
I got laid off a year ago and haven't been able to find a job since. Over 500 applications, many more recruiter calls, must have interviewed at over 30 companies. Been laid off several times as a combination of bad luck (toxic woke managers), ADHD and probably my autism (I suck at office politics) so this time I decided to learn how to daytrade. That hasn't been going so well and honestly I haven't been as driven as I should have been.
I've also been trying to lose weight for the past 2 years without any progress. How is that and the layoff/daytrading related? See below.
I started my first round of deworming on Feb 7-9 and by Feb 12, I had a sudden urge out of nowhere to start fasting. I've tried intermittent fasting by skipping breakfast for the past year or so, but it was often half assed - I'd fall off and get back on every few weeks. This time, it was different - really out of nowhere, I decided I wanted to fast, and not just intermittent fast 16/8, I wanted to fast for as long as possible. I started researching fasting and on that first day, I fasted 20 full hours - the longest I've ever had in my life.
In the past 7 days, I've fasted 22-23 hours on 4 of them, 17-18 on the other days (wasn't sure if I should be fasting too hardcore when taking week 2 of Panacur Feb 14-16; I had read it should be taken "with the heaviest meal of the day". In the next few weeks, I'm planning to go on a 3 day fast and then a 7 day fast by the end of next month (Dr Pradip Jamnadas https://www.youtube.com/@pradipjamnadasmd/videos and Dr Jason Fung's book The Complete Guide to Fasting, and some other folks on GAW have sold me on this plan).
On the trading front, I think it was last Tuesday or Wednesday when after months of studying at 30% and procrastinating the other 70%, suddenly I became laser focused at studying, analyzing and have had a massive desire to get good. The mental feeling I've gotten is inline with the "hyperfocus" episodes I've gotten in the past where I didn't want to do anything all day, everyday except for the one thing I was interested in doing. I hope the feeling lasts.
Now, typically my hyperfocus comes with a "trigger" that kicks my brain into full throttle but this time, I'm unable to pinpoint what that would be. I've been living the same jobless life everyday for the past year. In fact, i would hope and pray that hyperfocus would eventually kick in, and what a coincidence (or not?) that it has after I started deworming and fasting.
I also suddenly began to "get it" across many fronts in trading, and after a long string of mostly losses, I've started getting many wins and consistency is definitely up this month compared to before.
And lastly, since Friday the 14th, I've been naturally waking up between 6-7am (my previous wake up time was usually 8am) AND my brain wakes up with maximum tilt and drive to want to go out and workout. There was a point where I WAS hyperfocused on exercise but that was years ago and I've never gotten this strong of a feeling to go get fit.
Also noteworthy that previous hyperfocus episodes (which have been a thing since I was 14 or so) were solely focused on 1 thing. This time it's 2: Trading and working out. Until this past week I never knew that I could be hyperfocused on 2 different things at the same time.
Again it's either the fenbendazole based deworming, daily long fasting or both, honestly I wish I spaced their starts further apart so I could tell which one led to all of this. But i didn't expect any of this to happen and wanted to check if this is something that's normal or even known because I sure as hell didn't read about effects like this when doing my hours of research on parasite cleansing/deowrming.
Thanks for posting. This makes sense to me because of the gut/brain connection. Parasites absolutely affect behavior, as well as hunger and food cravings.
It could be. And the fasting started/idea of even want to hard core fast came only after that initial weekend of deworming.
The mental drive kicking into high gear and desire to fast were a surprise for me but as for the original problems:
After at least 2 years of this, the tiredness and lethargy in the afternoon is completely gone (I have had zero desire to take a nap since 2 weeks ago, I noticed about a week in) and I have had high energy levels from 6-7am all the way to bed time at 11:30pm. There's been one or two nights I've felt tired starting 9pm but can be attributed to long days and the magnitude of tiredness wasn't as high as previously.
Regular low level body pain (mostly back, butt... probably from sitting at the PC too long) is now lower and less frequently felt (every 1-2 days vs every day previously) despite retaining the same lifestyle of sitting way too often as before.
Very encouraging! Thanks again for posting.
As carbs burn from keto or fasting your body will dump water weight (for each gram of carbs it binds to 2.5 grams of water when forming glycogen to be stored in the body.) Also electrolyte imbalances will result in excess urination, usually it's from having too little potassium to balance your sodium and the body is trying to dump the sodium. Increase your potassium and your body can hold onto sodium better. As for difficulty peeing, that's usually the prostate and it can be reversed with pumpkin seed oil (500mg/day) and saw palmetto (500mg/day) to suppress the body changing testosterone into DHT which then swells the prostate. Also stop drinking an hour before bed.
That could be the ketones (fasting puts you into ketosis once you burn through the glucose stored in your blood and liver. Muscles can only burn glucose locally and don't count towards this.) You can use ketone urine strips to see for yourself if you're generating enough excess ketones to be peeing them out.
That's from more frequent exercise, especially strength training. Deadlifts, squats, back hyperextensions, and neck curls drove away those pains. I'd have to sit for nearly 10 hours straight to start feeling them again and they go away fast once I'm moving again. You should always get up at least once and hour even if just to get a drink, it all ads up.
I scanned your post looking for you to talk about what you found in your feces. Wtf is this timeline kek.
Most GI parasites are too small to be seen with the naked eye anyway. Unless you had a tapeworm you're unlikely to actually spot anything.
I didn't see shit in my shit. I didn't have high expectations based on the research I had done, those worms and shit only seem to appear in extreme cases or are exaggerated. I read it's completely normal to NOT see anything unusual in the poop.
Though I will say my poops were more frequent (4-5 times a day, I'm normally a once a day kind of guy) and runnier in my first 3 days of taking fenben. Last weekend (second 3 days), poop scheduling and texture seemed more 'normal'.
You changed way too many parameters to even be able to tell if the fenben did anything. If it was the only thing you did while keeping your existing diet and other habits the same then maybe you'd have a point.
So the order of how shit went down was:
That motivation has persisted till today though I HAVE skipped a few days and not worked out, that was because my brain was heavily prioritizing (i.e. consciously insisting) that I sit down and make sure that I git gud with trading because that's the only way I'll be able to continue paying for my gym membership in the future.
My point still stands: you changed way too many things for anyone to tell if it was the fenben. It's like if I claimed that adding HMB got me more arm gains but also mentioned that I started doing arms 4x a week instead of 2x and changed my rep ranges and range of motion and increased my protein intake.
Technically I changed only 2 things that had the potential to do something: taking fenben and start fasting hardcore.
I was already doing all of those things before - working out, trading, intermittent fasting. I was just lacking consistency and any drive/motivation to do anything to be more consistent.
I didn't even have the idea or dedication to fast longer than 18 hours prior to 2 weeks ago. So something changed bigly after the first weekend of fenben.
Maybe it's coincidence, maybe it's placebo, maybe it actually works. But I don't believe that sheer maximum drive appeared out of nowhere and Ive felt this feeling before, I KNOW it's my hyperfocus kicking in, usually it has a clear trigger. This time I can't identify what the trigger is. My savings being eaten up maybe? I've thought about it but that's been the case for the past year. Why would the hyperfocus only kick in now? And a few days after the first round of fenben?
People can placebo themselves into all sorts of things. I heard so many claims about how awesome people felt on keto. Well I only noticed my stubborn visceral fat finally falling off and that was more because when you keep insulin low your body prioritizes burning that fat over skin fat. I had more stable energy but none of those "endless energy" or "amazing mental clarity" that I kept hearing claims of. Now maybe those people were in such bad shape before that they had just forgotten what normal felt like and I was already back to normal so I didn't sense any real changes. Maybe those "endless energy" people were not really exerting themselves in the gym like I did and exceeding their recovery capacity, I've read that ketones are only "better" for steady state like distance running but not for big bursts of power like in a heavy squat or bench press. I did two parasite cleanses and a zeolite cleanse as well and felt zero improvements from them, maybe I was just already pretty clean to begin with.
Ok, I want to try this. Where do I get fenben?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DNNPKSWH/ref=pe_386300_440135490_TE_simp_item_image
Panacur C at any pet store
I didn't expect such a drastic, undocumented, positive change that I didn't come across during my hours of researching fenben/ivermectin, deworming, parasites, etc.
I was preparing myself mentally and consciously looking out for herxheimer which thank God I did not have.
I have been drinking a few cups of black coffee a day (150-200mg caffeine equivalent) which has helped to suppress hunger. I'm drinking a lot of water at the same time and would love to try for water only fasts, but the caffeine is what gets me through, not really as a hunger suppressant (that's only happened once in the past week+ of fasting) but more of having something to "taste" that isn't plain water.
To suppress your hunger and and satisfy the craving for "taste" put a dash or two of salt on your tongue. You can get little pocket sized salt shakers made to carry around. I'd suggest using Celtic or Himalayan salt because those have the necessary minerals that will quell your hunger. I have several friends, one a doctor, that have done this for years. I myself started doing it almost 10 years ago and it works great.
On the other hand it can be argued that if there was no herxheimer reaction at all then there may have been nothing to clean out to begin with.
Or it could be because he's eating better and working out more frequently. He changed too many things at once for any one of them to be the "obvious" cause.
If he lives in the USA it's pretty easy to find labs that you can get direct testing done at without a doctor's order or insurance, I pay out of pocket for DEXA scans and bloodwork once or twice a year and track the changes inside of my body. A full panel can be had for less than $300 where I live and covers way more than just the basic testing that a doctor may order. They draw the blood and a week or so later I get sent the results.
For the record this isn't my first rodeo. It's not like I was a fat lazy slob my entire life before this and changed everything at once.
My previous (successful) experiences at eating better and working out often a few years ago resulted in a -20lbs weight loss and drop to est 20-23% body fat but I didn't experience any such mental clarity or drive.
I regained that weight in 2023 because of stress from work and have been a fat fuck since. As of today I'm 10 lbs away from that previous low from a few years ago.
Same thing during my intermittent fasting attempts, even during my longest streak (maybe a few weeks of 15-16 hours not eating?), this did not change my mental clarity or drive and it was back to square one after a brief stint.
I know the K9 form is the trusted source. Kind of expensive for the quantity though.
Anyone have any leads on legit human forms being marketed? Amazon has a ton of brands but I'm not sure if any have actually been proven to be legit.
That's why I went for fenbendazole over ivermectin. Where I live, Amazon (fuck them and fuck Jeff Bezos and Andy Jassy) and the assorted Indian websites often posted here are the only places I can get Ivermectin without prescription.
The Apple horse paste (see the box picture in Parasite Pill 2.0) seems like the tried and tested goto for many people but I don't trust the no-name sellers on Amazon whose business addresses yield nothing online for the actual business (don't even have to be a store, just show me signs it's a legit vendor)
I've signed up on Alldaychemist and added my shit to basket and checked out without paying (they issue an invoice for you to pay via BTC) and what happened next was too sketchy for me to want to buy anything from them: I've gotten outright spam/scam emails from randoms addressed to the fake name and fake address I gave Alldaychemist for months. I know it's them because I have a dedicated disposable email specifically for their site so both the email address and personal info are unique to them. They're selling that information to sketchy scam centers and the like.
Fenben on the other hand is easily acquired in pet stores under the Panacur and Safe Guard brands
2g packets are 222mg. 4g packets are 444mg.
Says 222mg per 1g on the one I have.
Ah, but do you LOOK like Bradley Cooper?
I don't want to dox myself =) but objectively speaking I'm not an ugly dude. But looks wise, you wouldn't think I subscribe to republican/Trump/Florida trains of thoughts.
LOL
That was a great answer!
Cut your hair hippie!
Oh dude, you're the man bun and Birks type? (kidding, kidding).
I went Vegan for 2 weeks once and felt the same way. My brain was working so well.
I would love to have some good trading source to look at. Thank you!
I've been patchworking it from multiple sources. There isn't one "pro trader" I've found whom I've been able to emulate by directly employing whatever strategy they're using. The limitless moment was putting together the best parts of what I'd learned from - it's a knot I was trying to untie that I finally did in the past week.
That said it's 10% knowledge, 90% psychology (means practice... Get on a trading simulator like forextester.com or tradingsim)
Most "gurus" and "protraders" are scams because they rely on creating content to generate a lot of their income as opposed to actually trading (I doubt some of these traders are even profitable). One good example is Humbled Trader, 99% sure she makes money off content views and there's a lot of skepticism if she's even consistently profitable.
If people knew it only takes 2 months of learning to master the technicals of trading and the rest is DIY practice, the entire "creator economy" for trading would collapse. So of course they're going to make it seem more complicated than it actually is and create a dependency (subscribe to my telegram or YouTube for "market news and updates!!!") That's used as a pipeline for their paid groups/subscription.
What you need to learn is just:
That's fucking it. Indicators are completely optional (really they just tell you what the candles are saying but in different visual form) but I personally look at volume (speed of candle movement) time to time and a couple moving averages.
News and FuNdaMeNtAlS are complete bullshit in my experience and echoed by various "pro traders" who seem legit I've come across. They add another element of complexity and shit you have to keep up with, with no tangible benefits. Especially true in clown world where bad news can make prices spike up and I've also seen good news spawn 5 giant red candles in a row 🤡🌍
Its only important to know WHEN news will drop so you can tighten up your stops 5-30 min prior.
Hope this helps.
I traded a lot of Tesla back in 2020. I would sometimes misjudge and have to hold a position for a long time and miss out on daily volatility.
I did follow the news and tried to track trends.
This tracks with that experience. Thank you.
Sounds like me back in that time too. I was lucky enough to make some money off being a "sentiment" trader back then but it was risky, might not have won as much or even lost if I did it in recent years.
Everyone is a fucking professional trader in a bull market. Another problem are the permabulls who think every drop in the market is a buying opportunity. Good luck with that when things fall off a cliff especially in crypto.
It is the fasting. After about 24 hours, you kick over to ketosis (burning ketones) instead of glycolysis (breaking down sugars/carbs), as there are no remaining available sugars/carbs in the system. Thus, the switch to "fat burning mode". When this happens, yes, you get a burst of energy that does not seem to wane easily.
By day three, you are almost euphoric. I haven't made it that far yet, but getting there.
BTW - I've done both Fenbendazole and Ivermectin cleanses, def didn't get a great feeling from it.
Ketones never once made me euphoric at all, I felt exactly the same mentally by week 8 as I did on week 1. Didn't feel any decline when I carbed back up afterwards to get back the strength that I lost during keto. No mental effects from exogenous ketones or MCT either.
Good for you. If you do a three day or seven day fast, be careful when you break the fast, as the way you do it can actually be harmful if done incorrectly.
What's the correct/best way to do that? Still learning so any resources would be great
Take a day to ease into
'normal ' food, start with bone broth and vegetables
I have zero doubt that fasting would make deworming treatments way more effective.