Sorry this is not going to be a high calibre effort poast - just thought it was interesting that we take for granted that the NSA has total information awareness, but that also AI LLMs and Reasoning models just emerged. The NSA would have needed them to make sense of all their data. So either they had them already or you would expect them to be immediately impounded for national security reasons. Instead we are seeing open distribution. China open-sourcing almost looked like a rebuke of OpenAI going private, getting captured by commercial interest. Then Grok etc..
The NSA must have something similar but using all the juice a full-spectrum dragnet in realtime provides. If it didn't have something similar, it does now. So either way that is like a declassified fact now. Normally this capability would be hoarded, suppressed etc.
TLDR: Perhaps AI was NSA tech, perhaps it just got invented, but the fact it is out there unsuppressed now, shows that the deepstate is not using suppression of tech as you normally expect - things have changed significantly in that sense.
Military tech is 30 years minimum ahead.
Trumps Uncle had teslas papers almost 100 years ago. This blockchain tech didn’t just pop up by a mysterious satoshi. Everything is controlled release and we’re getting decades old hand me downs. I also think they’ve been experimenting on people with this mRNA for decades. The amount of missing kids/ adults in America is beyond the pale.
Trump's Uncle John G. Trump, Ph.D. in electrical engineering from MIT, assessed Tesla's papers as having no scientific interest, and they were sent to Tesla's only living relative back in Serbia.
The first decentralized blockchain was conceptualized by a person (or group of people) known as Satoshi Nakamoto in 2008. But the origins of the technology extend back to David Chaum's original proposal in 1982. So, blockchain had been cooking in the open for a quarter-century.
The idea of technology being a "controlled release" is more of a mythology than a reality. Where that is attempted as a result of customer control (e.g., stealth aerostructures) it is more like a trade secret.
"All the advanced technology is hidden." "Well, how do you know that?" "Um, Um ...but it's hidden!" Yeah. So is my mother's recipe for spice cake.
So we’ve never heard of SkunkWorks by Boeing? Are they a mythology Elon Musk just told Tucker Carlson I believe that the UFOs are ours, test craft.
Keep believing the official narratives. And Epstein checked IDs right? And the dentist chair on his island was really for impromptu dental work right? If Trumps uncle found information of significant value of national security, would he say that or down play the papers and act as if there’s nothing there ?
You know much less than you think. "Skunkworks" is a long-time Lockheed operation. The corresponding Boeing operation (inherited from McDonnell-Douglas) is Phantom Works. I worked in it. Beat that one. You can't even get your secret organizations straight.
Elon Musk can believe what he wants, along with a lot of other people who have no information. He's never been in the classified military environment.
Why would I believe "the official narratives"? They are not published as bulletins, so I have no idea what you mean. Dr. Trump was asked by the FBI to perform an assessment. They trusted him. I don't know why you don't. The papers were passed on to Tesla's heirs. Why don't you ask them? Or will your excuse be "Oh, they were hiding it." The degree of paranoid delusion surrounding this is really absurd. All you are doing is deflecting and denying and rationalizing and speculating in order to avoid facing the reality that Tesla's paper contained nothing of scientific value. You will accept no presentation to that effect. Which means that your belief is entirely irrational, and contrary to reality.
Wait. You’re in this forum asking why I don’t trust the FBI? 🤣
Ok. I’m checking out. Goodnight.
Trump was asked in 1943. I surmise this was well before you were born, when the FBI was still after the bad guys. It also comes from declassified reports. Do you suppose the FBI was telling itself fables? If you have no ear for the history of events, you shouldn't even trust your ear. Have a good sleep.
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Yeah, I get what you are saying. There is a difference between having personal experience with these topics VS reading about it though a conspiracy theory on the internet but I do agree with him that there is no reason to trust official stories given to the public by a federal agency. I mean, just look at their track record. Its isn't good in that department.
A close family friend of mine worked for Skunk Works at Lockheed. Where do you think Kubrick came up with the idea for the Hal 9000 computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Skunk Works was a famous outfit, as headed by Kelly Johnson. McDonnell envied the reputation and came up with Phantom Works to share the PR shine.
Kubrick got HAL 9000 from Arthur C. Clarke, who had such a robot intelligence in mind from the very first versions of his story, from which the movie screenplay derived. Next question?
Ironically, you have not told us anything that any open source LLM could not tell us.
Okay. I'm not LLM, whatever that is. And I told you something true that you did not know, so you're welcome.
Yeah, no shit. Kubrick's movie was "science fiction" as well. They made the movie because the tech already existed and as coms to the people who would understand. You know as well as anyone else that Hollywood makes makes a lot of films as reverse psychology soft disclosure. Kubrick is the most infamous director for these kinda movies. The idea for intelegent robots and AI existed long before Arthur C. Clarke, smart ass. They made the movie because we had done it.
The "tech" did not fully exist at all. It was a technical extrapolation, which happens all the time in science fiction. It also was based on what NASA was anticipating from visionaries like Wernher von Braun. But the single-stage space shuttle never has existed (and is unlikely to, unless we invoke nuclear energy). The space wheel never has existed, except in speculation. All the way down the line. You can look in space literature from the 1950s to see everything, and Clarke would have been familiar with it.
It was a movie for entertainment and though-provocation. There were no "comms." And I have no belief that "Hollywood" (a place, not an entity) makes films with such a programmatic scheme of propaganda. Most films have entirely haphazard timelines of creation. I certainly didn't say that the idea of an intelligent robot was original to Clarke, only that the idea for it in the movie came from HIS STORY. If you want earlier ideas, you can look up Karel Capeks "R.U.R." a play from 1920. HAL 9000 was fiction, and still remains so.
You can go farther with better knowledge, less mythology, less antagonism, and an absence of insults.
Don't forget about the fake chess playing robot from the 1700s that fooled people in kings courts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk the intelligent machine idea is very old....AI can list public knowledge all day long and much better than you can. I'm not trying to come off as abrasive but I assumed you were better informed and you are still missing the point. You obviously could go much further with better knowledge if you were to actually do some source based research.
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AI that ended up seeing humans as a threat. HAL also showed how you can kill people with misinformation disinformation and misdirection. Basically 5G war and how devastating it can be.
Well, all the homicides were by assault or sabotage. Not by information manipulation.
Bingo.
Eggxactly!!!
I wouldn't say that they have stopped suppressing tech, but more likely that there is incremental disclosure and it will continue to accelerate. Still looking forward to more cures.
I doubt that there is any suppression. Mathematics is not suppressed. Physics is not suppressed. Chemistry is not suppressed. The key is specialized development and its funding. It is like companies competing with production processes and maintaining "trade secrets." Nothing prevents anyone else from simultaneously developing the same thing. Plenty of concurrent discoveries in science.
if you really think that's true you will be very surprised at this documentary https://archive.org/details/docs_2fS9ixfQ_no where construction of The Great Pyramid is analyzed by world famous modern engineers and architects. Your argument is pretty much just the classic mid-wit "deboonked" fallacy. Watch it and then tell me no tech has been suppressed. You will be very surprised at your own conclusion once you look at the actual evidence.
Look, I have no grief with the idea that we do not know how to build the Great Pyramid today. (Or any number of ancient monolithic constructions). That's a lost technology, not a hidden one. I have no truck with any conventional explanations. I don't know how you extract that from my comments. We also no longer know how to make "Greek Fire," which was once a weapon in use in ancient times. Have you read about "vimanas"? Another mystery.
In order to say anything was "suppressed", you would have to identify what it was and what that knowledge is, and how and why and for how long was it "suppressed." The critical mass for U-235 was once in that category, but not any longer.
This isn't Greek fire or Roman cement fren... or some ancient Japanese metallurgy technique. You are just very uninformed about this topic. Watch the doc and then tell me what you think.
I've got countless other data examples but if you can't make the time to look at the evidence then I'm not gonna waste my time trying to argue or convince you of anything.
Well, you are doing a darned good job of putting me off by not mentioning any of the point behind this. Yes, we don't know how to build the Great Pyramid. So what? We still don't know. And how on Earth would you propose to claim the information is not lost but hidden?
The idea of "hidden technology" just doesn't carry any weight. I have been studying the history of technology all my life and have participated in some of it. I have encountered nothing "hidden". I have 9 patents (nothing hidden). I have other inventions, but they were not taken up for patent protection---and were generally ignored. And forgotten. I'm not hiding any of it, but I don't have money for billboards or an ad campaign.
Looking forward to your following comment, if you can't concisely express your point in a few sentences, I simply do not have the time to waste on "Dude, check out this video." And your insistence that I do so just clinches my hunch that you don't know how to express it. A "waste of time" to write two sentences to convince me? But not a "waste of time" to berate me. Reconsider your approach.
I'm back. You sir are clearly a troll who wants to spend more time arguing than than looking at data. I already gave you enough of a summary...oh sorry, did you need me to hand deliver you a transcript too? If you aren't interested in undisputed expert data and analysis with all the facts presents to you but still want to spend time arguing on a subject that you are uninformed on then you have just proven that you're a troll. Clearly you aren't a tech expert with 40+ years of experience as you claim. If you were you would be more interested in learning than wasting time.
You haven't said a word on what the subject is. Or what the "data" is supposed to be. Data for what? Learning about what? The title suggests an historical analysis of how the pyramids were (or were not) built. If that's it, so what? What's the point? What would that have to do with "hidden" technology? (It is clearly lost technology.)
I've dropped enough incidental information to substantiate my bona fides. If you want more, I can give more. I'm not stingy with information.
Look what mainstream researchers just discovered under The Great Pyramid. Even more data to back up my point and contradict the narrative of egyptologists https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/researchers-claim-have-discovered-vast-city-underneath-egypts-pyramids
Your position is technology beneficial to everyone on Earth held in secret is not suppression.
What such technology? You are begging the question. My position is that you have no idea there is any such technology---aside from the idea that technology, in general, is beneficial to those on Earth who can afford to use it.
Do you have any problem with patents or trade secrets? Patents are the opposite of secret, but they are exclusive. Trade secrets have no protection, and survive only so long as they are not discovered/developed by someone else. If I invent something, am I legally obligated to reveal it to the world? (I once invented a categorical solution to the problem of contrails disclosing the presence of military aircraft. I submitted it for patent protection and it was hushed up as being too sensitive for patenting. No big deal. Any Iranian chemistry grad student could come up with it, but I guess we don't want to have anything to do with it. Would this be an example of what you are talking about? The "secret" can be expressed in five words.)
Are engineering details of the design of nuclear weapons "beneficial to everyone on Earth"? Or, really, of any weapon?
You can't say something is being "withheld" if you don't even know what it would be if you saw it.
In a lot of cases (especially communication and computing) the leading edge is in the open market, because it can make decisions on investment and prosecution faster than the government. In 1980, Boeing was approached by Cray Computers with a proposal to put a Cray Supercomputer into our B-52s. "Okay, so how does that work?" "With rugged design, we figure we could squeeze it into a cube a foot on a side, weighing no more than 100 pounds." I gulped...and tried to get management's attention on this. The first reaction was, "Why do we need a supercomputer on a B-52?" Well, there was no good answer---but nobody had ever dreamed of having such capability, and the possible applications remained to be conceived. The proposal went nowhere. Now, I suppose we are flying computers that would have matched what was being proposed in 1980.
Engines that run far more efficiently for one thing. The Ogle carburetor and the Pogue for example. I do have a problem with corporations keeping knowledge like that a secret, yes. It's a textbook conspiracy.
I looked it up. Ogle was apparently running his engines on pure fuel vapor. He got better mixing and maybe better combustion, but had to draw the vapor from the gas tank under suction (work) and the engine had severe limits on the power it could produce. You can get good mileage if you have very little horsepower to play with and don't go very fast. It was superseded by larger and heavier cars, higher horsepower, fuel injection, and Diesel engines. No suppression. It just did not win out. And it was apparently NOT a secret, as he seems to have patented it (US4177779A). It is a textbook example, all right. Not of conspiracy but of mythology. You really should research your own examples.
Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower burned down and there just wasn't anyone who was willing to fund crazy old Tesla anymore (even though his inventions did...shape the modern world maybe more than any other individual.) No one has seen or heard of anything like it since. His later inventions were of no use to humanity at large though I'm sure! They wouldn't keep free electricity derived from the atmosphere and wireless electricity and things like that from us.
He had great inventions (patented), but the Wardenclyffe tower was an experiment that was not going to work. Tesla was also a person who disdained quantum physics, and for that reason had locked himself outside the realm of big technologies. There is some thought for how the wireless power might have worked, but there were big unknowns and potential problems. What happens to a power station when a big electrical storm occurs nearby? Disaster? And who is going to pay to provide free electricity? No one. As it is, we have no problem having inexpensive electricity. The only hindrance is the government effort to throttle its production and to create fake reasons making it more expensive instead of less expensive.
That's funny you are just like "it was not going to work."
You have a lot to learn on this subject apparently. Have fun blowing your mind once you start doing source based research.
I've worked in high technology for 40-50 years. Interesting stuff, but no magic.
I don't think anyone here ever said anything about magic. Don't get confused. I also work in the high tech field and have been for over 25 years.
I was using that ironically, as most of the upholders of "hidden" technology do so with a kind of Cargo Cult attitude---that its revelation will work a worldly transformation. We spent a lot of company time looking at Andrea Rossi's "energy catalyzer." Impossible to determine whether it was fact or fiction, because he was squeamish about anyone looking under the skirt. When nothing comes of it (as has been the case so far), he will go down in the mythology as an example of suppressed technology. When, in fact, he was mainly a shifty guy who never allowed anyone to truly examine his product. My analysis was that he might have managed to manipulate the decay rate of radioactive elements, but too bad for history that he had to be such a devious character.
Machine Learning is decades old. What is new is the increasing amount of compute power for an affordable price. It’s not that this is some new technology, but we suddenly had the necessary threshold of compute power widely available instead of being limited to rich research labs. The field of Artificial Intelligence is much larger than language models. Computer Science and AI have been around for a long time.
I agree. One of my professional assignments was work in artificial perception (different from artificial sensation), mainly target discrimination.