Japan might take exception to this argument. I once worked in the nuclear remediation field, cleaning up old Manhattan Project sites from WWII. These sites didn't get cleaned up until the 1980s & 90s. So I'm calling BS on this claim.
I agree. In my opinion it is all just a fear tactic. We have many just as good alternatives such as AI, DEWs, and HAARP, and weapons used from space that can never be traced to hold anyone accountable. We've advanced long and far from the use of nuclear weapons. And dare I say this, but there are also many examples over the last 70 years of nuclear weapons at bases throughout the world that have suddenly been shut down and inexplicably inoperable. It has been theorized that they were shut down on purpose by extra terrestrials because the use of nuclear weapons will and perhaps have in past disrupt and destroy, not just the country we drop it on, but the entire universe and everything in it, This is just a thought I have entertained.
Your "alternatives" are mostly fiction. AI is overblown and comes in all shapes and sizes. Autonomous systems have been in development for the past 40 years. DEWs (high-energy lasers) only exist today at tactical levels and are fair-weather weapons only. HAARP is not a weapon at all. We have no weapons used from space (at least, not yet; I formerly designed them). Nuclear weapons will never be eliminated, because their power is essential to national defense. It would be like un-inventing gunpowder.
I'm not going to argue with you as you sound like you know what you're writing about. I'm just trying to make sense of it all. I try to keep an open mind. I assume since you are familiar with HAARP, AI, DEWS and Nuclear weapons, I have one question. If nukes are real how is it we're all not dead? Thousands of nukes have been detonated around the world in tests. How is it the pacific ocean isn't a soupy mess of radioactive poison? Or the American southwest? Or Chernobyl? The last I read was that plants and wildlife are able to survive and thrive there. Japan rebuilt Nagasaki and Hiroshima right where the bombs were dropped. wouldn't the radioactive waste make it unlivable for decades? Still trying to figure it all out.
Why should we all be dead? For one thing, most of those "thousands" (do you have the real number?) were underground, self-containing. For another thing, the perils of radioactive fallout are real---but within limits. Look at the history of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I believe in one of the cities, they had the streetcars operational again after a week or so. The worst radioactivity dies down in about a week. The longer-term radioactivity is weak. The natural world is inherently radioactive: carbon-14, potassium-40. People go on about radioactive material being so for thousands of years, but the reality is that it is only a finite time before it fades to background level. There is even one theory that a background level of radioactivity is a good thing for our health, because it keeps the body's repair mechanisms on notice and active.
The ocean already contains about a ton of dissolved naturally-occurring uranium per cubic kilometer of seawater. Maybe more if you add in the distribution of other radioactive elements. Much of the American southwest is a mile high, and receives maybe as much radiation from outer space (cosmic rays) than from ground radioactivity from the granite mountains. (Granite tabletops are famously radioactive. They used to say it was from the pitchblende inclusions, but I've also read from potassium-40.)
Chernobyl is a sad story of improvident design and poor operational handling. It resulted in the reactor breaching and catching fire (the moderator material was graphite), thus spreading fission products widely by air. The stories are mixed. I've read that the initial panic was overblown by comparison to the eventual reality. As for resettlement, the Soviet Union was more used to simply striking of a region as forbidden and moving on to new territory. There was a similar event at Windscale in the UK, decades previous, but now forgotten.
My dad walked around Nagasaki maybe within a week or so of its bombing. The family joke was that me and my brothers are all mutants (not).
The bible on nuclear weapons effects is "The Effects of Nuclear Weapons" by Glasstone and Dolan (1977). Here's the Amazon link https://www.amazon.com/Effects-Nuclear-Weapons-Authoritative-Explosions/dp/1422050645 Very interesting reading. Even if you don't understand all of it, but take it on its word, you will wind up knowing a lot more than you started with.
My father, after the surrender ceremony in Tokyo Bay, took shore leave in Nagasaki and was able to tour the devastation on foot. Nuclear weapons are as real as death. But we don't have nuclear-powered airplanes.
If nukes are a psyop, what about the Chernobyl explosion that irradiated a good chunk of Europe?
Or about the Tsar Bomba, an explosion so powerful that even the seismographs from across the world picked them up?
On a sidenote: the bulk of communist jews were culled during Stalin's reign. Thats why the USSR and it's satelite states were never subjected to "amazing" western things like pornography, usury, drugs, neo liberalism, etc
There is a reason why most of the based countries in Europe are the ones from behind the Iron Curtain: Russia, Belarus, Hungary, Poland(to a degree), Serbia, etc
When my dad was a nuclear safety engineer in the Air Force his job was to go down into the nuclear missile silos and check out the safety surrounding the silo. I don't know exactly how he conducted the insections, but I believe some of the crews were pissed once he left. Once he came home with the nose cone cut off one of the nukes. I wish I still had it but it grew legs and walked out of his house.
This is a junk theory, just like Flat Earth, put out there by the government astroturfers to make the truth movement look retarded.
This isn't a rabbithole, its an outhouse full of shit.
Thanks I figured it was crap but you never know these days whatβs real or not.
Japan might take exception to this argument. I once worked in the nuclear remediation field, cleaning up old Manhattan Project sites from WWII. These sites didn't get cleaned up until the 1980s & 90s. So I'm calling BS on this claim.
β¦.said no one at Hiroshima ever (ok, technically not nuke, but precursor to it right?)
That's actually not true.
Oh, it was a nuclear bomb, all right. Whatever made you think otherwise?
I agree. In my opinion it is all just a fear tactic. We have many just as good alternatives such as AI, DEWs, and HAARP, and weapons used from space that can never be traced to hold anyone accountable. We've advanced long and far from the use of nuclear weapons. And dare I say this, but there are also many examples over the last 70 years of nuclear weapons at bases throughout the world that have suddenly been shut down and inexplicably inoperable. It has been theorized that they were shut down on purpose by extra terrestrials because the use of nuclear weapons will and perhaps have in past disrupt and destroy, not just the country we drop it on, but the entire universe and everything in it, This is just a thought I have entertained.
Your "alternatives" are mostly fiction. AI is overblown and comes in all shapes and sizes. Autonomous systems have been in development for the past 40 years. DEWs (high-energy lasers) only exist today at tactical levels and are fair-weather weapons only. HAARP is not a weapon at all. We have no weapons used from space (at least, not yet; I formerly designed them). Nuclear weapons will never be eliminated, because their power is essential to national defense. It would be like un-inventing gunpowder.
I'm not going to argue with you as you sound like you know what you're writing about. I'm just trying to make sense of it all. I try to keep an open mind. I assume since you are familiar with HAARP, AI, DEWS and Nuclear weapons, I have one question. If nukes are real how is it we're all not dead? Thousands of nukes have been detonated around the world in tests. How is it the pacific ocean isn't a soupy mess of radioactive poison? Or the American southwest? Or Chernobyl? The last I read was that plants and wildlife are able to survive and thrive there. Japan rebuilt Nagasaki and Hiroshima right where the bombs were dropped. wouldn't the radioactive waste make it unlivable for decades? Still trying to figure it all out.
Why should we all be dead? For one thing, most of those "thousands" (do you have the real number?) were underground, self-containing. For another thing, the perils of radioactive fallout are real---but within limits. Look at the history of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I believe in one of the cities, they had the streetcars operational again after a week or so. The worst radioactivity dies down in about a week. The longer-term radioactivity is weak. The natural world is inherently radioactive: carbon-14, potassium-40. People go on about radioactive material being so for thousands of years, but the reality is that it is only a finite time before it fades to background level. There is even one theory that a background level of radioactivity is a good thing for our health, because it keeps the body's repair mechanisms on notice and active.
The ocean already contains about a ton of dissolved naturally-occurring uranium per cubic kilometer of seawater. Maybe more if you add in the distribution of other radioactive elements. Much of the American southwest is a mile high, and receives maybe as much radiation from outer space (cosmic rays) than from ground radioactivity from the granite mountains. (Granite tabletops are famously radioactive. They used to say it was from the pitchblende inclusions, but I've also read from potassium-40.)
Chernobyl is a sad story of improvident design and poor operational handling. It resulted in the reactor breaching and catching fire (the moderator material was graphite), thus spreading fission products widely by air. The stories are mixed. I've read that the initial panic was overblown by comparison to the eventual reality. As for resettlement, the Soviet Union was more used to simply striking of a region as forbidden and moving on to new territory. There was a similar event at Windscale in the UK, decades previous, but now forgotten.
My dad walked around Nagasaki maybe within a week or so of its bombing. The family joke was that me and my brothers are all mutants (not).
The bible on nuclear weapons effects is "The Effects of Nuclear Weapons" by Glasstone and Dolan (1977). Here's the Amazon link https://www.amazon.com/Effects-Nuclear-Weapons-Authoritative-Explosions/dp/1422050645 Very interesting reading. Even if you don't understand all of it, but take it on its word, you will wind up knowing a lot more than you started with.
So what really happened in Japan to end WW2? Nagasaki and Hiroshima both self destructed?
And so we not really have nuclear powered lanes?
fire bombing? i mean japan homes are made of paper
My father, after the surrender ceremony in Tokyo Bay, took shore leave in Nagasaki and was able to tour the devastation on foot. Nuclear weapons are as real as death. But we don't have nuclear-powered airplanes.
So why don't they invade Russia then?
If nukes are a psyop, what about the Chernobyl explosion that irradiated a good chunk of Europe?
Or about the Tsar Bomba, an explosion so powerful that even the seismographs from across the world picked them up?
On a sidenote: the bulk of communist jews were culled during Stalin's reign. Thats why the USSR and it's satelite states were never subjected to "amazing" western things like pornography, usury, drugs, neo liberalism, etc
There is a reason why most of the based countries in Europe are the ones from behind the Iron Curtain: Russia, Belarus, Hungary, Poland(to a degree), Serbia, etc
think you need to ask people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki....
So all those minuteman missile sites throughout my state are not real?
The nuclear disarmament was a psyop, the weapons are all still there.
When my dad was a nuclear safety engineer in the Air Force his job was to go down into the nuclear missile silos and check out the safety surrounding the silo. I don't know exactly how he conducted the insections, but I believe some of the crews were pissed once he left. Once he came home with the nose cone cut off one of the nukes. I wish I still had it but it grew legs and walked out of his house.
...my Grandfather and Grandmother would disagree with this statement...
FAFO