This is the grounds for treason that we have been waiting for, perhaps? You cannot hide these actions. And, it's easy to prove and easy for the public to accept as true.
This feels like a variation on the Sum of All Fears script. And, the plot twist we’re overlooking is the involvement of Russians in fanning the flames.
The attack on Putin’s helicopter, a “surprise” attack deep inside Russian territory, and the bombing of the Kerch bridge suggests that either the Russian intelligence and military have glaring weaknesses, or people in high positions are complicit in allowing these attacks to happen.
Nether possibility bodes well for President Putin. He either as internal forces trying to undermine him, or trying to pull him, and the world, into a broader conflict.
Don't mislead yourself into thinking that intelligence failures are signs of overall incompetence or disloyalty. We have our own failures to learn from. And not all doctor's patients survive surgery.
You must realize that those recent attacks are most likely to have been planned and coordinated by the Deep State. Along with similar previous outrages. It is greatly at odds with the lackluster performance of the Ukrainians on the battlefield, essentially lusting for death en masse.
I feel certain NWO-DS actors were involved, but that doesn’t diminish the fact Russia was unable to detect and prevent an attack deep inside its territory. What I don’t like is an event like this makes Russia look vulnerable and will embolden the warmongers.
I guess there is an outside chance Russia let it happen as part of a strategy.
Well, how would we have detected such an attack? It all happened inside of radar fields of surveillance. We detected the 9/11 attacks and were powerless to do anything. There are those on this site who have already pointed out that something similar could emit from the now-Chinese-owned land adjacent to our military bases.
And you are omitting the fact that, out of 5 airfields attacked, 2 attacks were prevented. And of the attacks that did anything, the damage sustained was far less than advertised. Only about 3 strategic bombers were damaged beyond repair (out of a Tu-95 strength of ~55). There is a supposed video purportedly showing the mass wreckage of some 40-odd aircraft. I've seen it; it is an obvious A.I. product (human beings splitting apart into twins, aircraft shown being non-existent models). The "vulnerability" is mostly a psyop for the outside world, CREATED by the warmongers. They don't need to be "emboldened." They ARE emboldened. It is just whitewash to create the fiction of Ukrainian superiority and Russian failure, in service to the "Ukraine can still win!" mantra. (The real situation is that Ukrainian civilians are now organizing to commit violent resistance against the press gangs kidnapping men into military service. For them, the war is worse than useless; it is a ravaging death machine, and they are the ones doing the dying.)
Photos. Eyewitnesses. Wreckage. Burning. Dead & missing people. You do a lot to deny reality. That's all you are doing: upholding a complicated myth over physical events. You are only dreaming you are awake.
The same videos that were shown on every channel nothing independently posted? The same turbines that were probably too small to be from the APU? A nearly perfect passport from an aircraft that allegedly crashed into a building and exploded?
Oh and buildings that fell straight into their footprint at free fall speed (that implies professional demolition).
You're still believing the media and government narrative. Nobody here likes the media and nobody here likes Bush anymore. You're the one still holding on to it.
If there are only a few videos that were taken, they will be the ones presented in the news. What else is there to present? The first turbine stage is small...if you have ever seen them, which I doubt from your remark. Also the last compressor stage is similarly small. These relationships come from the physics of compression and expansion. In a collision, stray objects can survive. Even shipwrecks can have flotsam.
Buildings that fell in accordance with catastrophic collapse. Does not require demolition.
I have stayed far from any "narrative" in order to work it out for myself. You (collectively) like to point fingers at sources I do not use, rather than address the points I make.
Da Nang Dick Blumenthal and 'I surely dont know why my lodgings in Ukraine cost almost $500k' Lindsey Graham probably would have all sort of recollections they would make when furnished with the right incentives to help them remember.
"See that six-by-six barred window up high on the north-facing wall, Mr. Graham? That is the only and last view of daylight you will get for the rest of your natural life. Unless you want to make it worth our while to reconsider. Cheerio!
"By the way, the longer it takes for you to bring anything to our attention, the longer it will have faded in our memory that you even exist."
This action doesn't directly benefit Ukraine but it does benefit NATO. I initially thought Graham and Pompeo played a direct role, but maybe not. The attack would have required months of planning. They may have delivered the go codes. The timing might have been to try to implicate them and take the focus off of those actually responsible. Like Starmer and Macron. Maybe.
True, but they already knew where to place the trucks, which also required intel from months or weeks prior. My money's on Starmer as the primary culprit.
He wouldn't, and Putin doesn't give him authorization either. Flynn is just spitballing here. Trump/America isn't officially involved with either side...the only reason to run things by him would be in good faith to a peace deal. Countries use our intel all the time in ways we don't expect, although I suspect this involved NATO not us. Neither want it and neither are pre-informing us of anything they have planned. Were spectators with an interest.
Agreed. It's a massive waste of time and the German chancellor even again today asked us to keep being mediator. Feels like we're being taken advantage of by both sides. I didn't mean to suggest we should, apologies.
PULL PUT OF NATO NOW!
This is the grounds for treason that we have been waiting for, perhaps? You cannot hide these actions. And, it's easy to prove and easy for the public to accept as true.
Flimsey Graham is in deep doo doo.
Don't we keep mis-applying that word "treason"? I think it's "sedition".
I've noticed many on here throwing treason around like it's a frisbee.
I don't know. Whichever one leads to hangin' : )
Hang the deep state for treason.
This feels like a variation on the Sum of All Fears script. And, the plot twist we’re overlooking is the involvement of Russians in fanning the flames.
The attack on Putin’s helicopter, a “surprise” attack deep inside Russian territory, and the bombing of the Kerch bridge suggests that either the Russian intelligence and military have glaring weaknesses, or people in high positions are complicit in allowing these attacks to happen.
Nether possibility bodes well for President Putin. He either as internal forces trying to undermine him, or trying to pull him, and the world, into a broader conflict.
Don't mislead yourself into thinking that intelligence failures are signs of overall incompetence or disloyalty. We have our own failures to learn from. And not all doctor's patients survive surgery.
You must realize that those recent attacks are most likely to have been planned and coordinated by the Deep State. Along with similar previous outrages. It is greatly at odds with the lackluster performance of the Ukrainians on the battlefield, essentially lusting for death en masse.
I feel certain NWO-DS actors were involved, but that doesn’t diminish the fact Russia was unable to detect and prevent an attack deep inside its territory. What I don’t like is an event like this makes Russia look vulnerable and will embolden the warmongers.
I guess there is an outside chance Russia let it happen as part of a strategy.
Well, how would we have detected such an attack? It all happened inside of radar fields of surveillance. We detected the 9/11 attacks and were powerless to do anything. There are those on this site who have already pointed out that something similar could emit from the now-Chinese-owned land adjacent to our military bases.
And you are omitting the fact that, out of 5 airfields attacked, 2 attacks were prevented. And of the attacks that did anything, the damage sustained was far less than advertised. Only about 3 strategic bombers were damaged beyond repair (out of a Tu-95 strength of ~55). There is a supposed video purportedly showing the mass wreckage of some 40-odd aircraft. I've seen it; it is an obvious A.I. product (human beings splitting apart into twins, aircraft shown being non-existent models). The "vulnerability" is mostly a psyop for the outside world, CREATED by the warmongers. They don't need to be "emboldened." They ARE emboldened. It is just whitewash to create the fiction of Ukrainian superiority and Russian failure, in service to the "Ukraine can still win!" mantra. (The real situation is that Ukrainian civilians are now organizing to commit violent resistance against the press gangs kidnapping men into military service. For them, the war is worse than useless; it is a ravaging death machine, and they are the ones doing the dying.)
9/11 was an inside job and no aircraft were used.
Photos. Eyewitnesses. Wreckage. Burning. Dead & missing people. You do a lot to deny reality. That's all you are doing: upholding a complicated myth over physical events. You are only dreaming you are awake.
The same videos that were shown on every channel nothing independently posted? The same turbines that were probably too small to be from the APU? A nearly perfect passport from an aircraft that allegedly crashed into a building and exploded?
Oh and buildings that fell straight into their footprint at free fall speed (that implies professional demolition).
You're still believing the media and government narrative. Nobody here likes the media and nobody here likes Bush anymore. You're the one still holding on to it.
If there are only a few videos that were taken, they will be the ones presented in the news. What else is there to present? The first turbine stage is small...if you have ever seen them, which I doubt from your remark. Also the last compressor stage is similarly small. These relationships come from the physics of compression and expansion. In a collision, stray objects can survive. Even shipwrecks can have flotsam.
Buildings that fell in accordance with catastrophic collapse. Does not require demolition.
I have stayed far from any "narrative" in order to work it out for myself. You (collectively) like to point fingers at sources I do not use, rather than address the points I make.
Well, we did let Pearl Harbor and 911 happen.
Da Nang Dick Blumenthal and 'I surely dont know why my lodgings in Ukraine cost almost $500k' Lindsey Graham probably would have all sort of recollections they would make when furnished with the right incentives to help them remember.
"See that six-by-six barred window up high on the north-facing wall, Mr. Graham? That is the only and last view of daylight you will get for the rest of your natural life. Unless you want to make it worth our while to reconsider. Cheerio!
"By the way, the longer it takes for you to bring anything to our attention, the longer it will have faded in our memory that you even exist."
Like pouring water on a towel, not gonna say where the towel would be placed. kEk
u/#samuraipopcorn
2 Governments - Insubordination from Rogue Elements.
This action doesn't directly benefit Ukraine but it does benefit NATO. I initially thought Graham and Pompeo played a direct role, but maybe not. The attack would have required months of planning. They may have delivered the go codes. The timing might have been to try to implicate them and take the focus off of those actually responsible. Like Starmer and Macron. Maybe.
They needed SAT Intel to perform this.
True, but they already knew where to place the trucks, which also required intel from months or weeks prior. My money's on Starmer as the primary culprit.
Him or that lil French guy married to his troon dad. Macron
My my what tangled webs are woven.
The list of characters is long.
Why would the American president authorize one country to bomb another?
He wouldn't, and Putin doesn't give him authorization either. Flynn is just spitballing here. Trump/America isn't officially involved with either side...the only reason to run things by him would be in good faith to a peace deal. Countries use our intel all the time in ways we don't expect, although I suspect this involved NATO not us. Neither want it and neither are pre-informing us of anything they have planned. Were spectators with an interest.
We shouldn't have any interest at all.
Agreed. It's a massive waste of time and the German chancellor even again today asked us to keep being mediator. Feels like we're being taken advantage of by both sides. I didn't mean to suggest we should, apologies.