It’s not particularly great outcome. From a letter of the law/legal perspective. But it makes sense from a pragmatic perspective. Some industries. Particularly Agriculture and Hotel/Leisure Businesses have become heavily reliant. If not completely dependent on illegal labor.
We frankly don’t have the raw population numbers to pick up the slack in all the industries that’ll need bodies.
Even if we employed everyone on Welfare full time and they were all 100% physically capable and not addicted to any illicit substances. That still wouldn’t make up the slack.
It’s a numbers game. The Economy needs bodies. Even with automation off setting the cost in bodies. There’s not enough Americans of working age or entering working age.
Again I should have to say. I don’t like this move. Nor do I support it. But I could see why he’d make the move. As infuriating as it maybe.
I understand why as well. And while I don't 100% agree with letting them stay, the reason you state above is very practical. Plus I think that him showing some nuance here will likely endear Trump to a huge amount of people who will then turn and support him- thus kind of thwarting the Dem's strategy with letting illegals in anyway. (Plus, honestly, how will the mainstream media spin this as racist or bad without looking even more hypocritical??)
Again, I don't agree with this stance totally- I think if you're here illegally that you should be deported- but for right now, I would rather see the administration focus on the ones who have just poured over the border like water these last few years- you know, the ones imported for Dem votes- than on ones who came over decades ago and haven't committed crimes and have been law abiding. Maybe we can come back and address them later on once the flood of illegals who came over under the Biden administration have been dealt with.
Regardless of who is in charge, we need to hold their feet to the fire to make sure all criminal border crossers are deported, regardless whether they committed any acts of violence against Americans.
All laws, and even policies, are full of grey areas. The trick for those in charge, i.e. CEs or Prez. is to define the intention of the new law, and then legislate it. Case in point: Deport illegal alien Criminals.
However, without grey areas, one will run into problems, because there are always individuals who 'fall between the cracks', and will be judged too harshly, or conversely, an ill-defined grey area can be driven through, with 18-wheel trucks collecting cash, so to speak. (that is: people will take the opportunity to subvert the system.) <We are here.
So, to summarize the executive actions: First there is the intent of the policy, i.e., deport the crimial aliens. Second, write the policy/law/executive order. Third, know and keep discovering the grey areas, and get very specific how to navigate the 'exceptional' cases. This exerise is not 'going back on promises;, it is making he finer points. So the last process has to be exponentially more thoroughly done than anything else, when writing law or policy.
So, I believe that a massive grey area exists that captures possibly millions or people - i.e., Sabrina Latina worked here for 5 years and she is the most reliable employee of all, we would be devastated to lose her - then the employer should be able to 'vouch' for the employee in some formal way.
Sort of like a trusted employer-nomination of preferred citizenship, or a personal commendation of good character - to facilitate rapid citizenship, on a set of pre-defined conditions, of course - terms and conditions apply.
And then the government must provide clearly described organization-level help for the commended employee so that compilation of the legally prescribed evidences and the lodging of legal forms and completing the process, is rapid, online and live. [<This bit is what I suspect is gwan wrong all these years - a massive backlog of paper. Millions of data-points completely uncaptured, and some sad bureaucrats scratching their heads in a basement, faced with scanning old paper only half-filled in, into a system - LOL].
After all. IF the narrative is to rapidly deport criminals, there should be a counternarrative that is: it should be appropriate to state an intent to not go after the good citizen wannabes, who should be welcome, BTW - but of course they are.
So, if good person = make Legal - just digitize the process already - you can have as many checks you want. Gee - I sound like one of those techy lefties now, LOL
In this way, the diligent workers, at least, don't have to live in fear - BONUS: the lefties have their fangs pulled, and well-behaved adults have an incentive to become an American. One can argue that they came here thinking it was legal. (and that's Biden's fault). So,(how many millions of people?) did not INTEND to break the law.
So I suppose there needs to be a time limitation for this sort of thing, to prevent people coming here in the hope of staying for five years (how are they getting jobs?) before even starting the process.
There is a Visa system, of course, which after several years of re-applying for extensions, etc, one can apply for citizenship. That works for normal people.
I agree. Work-sites that have whole gangs speaking another language are nuts. Suddenly one needs bi-lingual site foremen, and retarded picture-signs everywhere. They did not see that coming when teaching Construction Management degrees, or indeed OSH-management:
Must speak both English and Spanish (and French as well? Chinese?) to fill this Commerial Site-Management role.
There are programs for migrant workers to do that stuff legally. Companies STILL choose the illegals - screwing the legal migrants doing things the right way.
Stop the illegals 100%, and raise the numbers of authorized seasonal workers. The illegals either don't want to declare their pay (taxes), or don't want to be identified because of their background. Otherwise they could just go the legal route with the legal programs.
The companies and the illegals (along with the demons) have everyone suckered, and the demons are happy because they get more people in the state to get more House seats (and electoral votes).
It’s not particularly great outcome. From a letter of the law/legal perspective. But it makes sense from a pragmatic perspective. Some industries. Particularly Agriculture and Hotel/Leisure Businesses have become heavily reliant. If not completely dependent on illegal labor.
We frankly don’t have the raw population numbers to pick up the slack in all the industries that’ll need bodies.
Even if we employed everyone on Welfare full time and they were all 100% physically capable and not addicted to any illicit substances. That still wouldn’t make up the slack.
It’s a numbers game. The Economy needs bodies. Even with automation off setting the cost in bodies. There’s not enough Americans of working age or entering working age.
Again I should have to say. I don’t like this move. Nor do I support it. But I could see why he’d make the move. As infuriating as it maybe.
I understand why as well. And while I don't 100% agree with letting them stay, the reason you state above is very practical. Plus I think that him showing some nuance here will likely endear Trump to a huge amount of people who will then turn and support him- thus kind of thwarting the Dem's strategy with letting illegals in anyway. (Plus, honestly, how will the mainstream media spin this as racist or bad without looking even more hypocritical??)
Again, I don't agree with this stance totally- I think if you're here illegally that you should be deported- but for right now, I would rather see the administration focus on the ones who have just poured over the border like water these last few years- you know, the ones imported for Dem votes- than on ones who came over decades ago and haven't committed crimes and have been law abiding. Maybe we can come back and address them later on once the flood of illegals who came over under the Biden administration have been dealt with.
Regardless of who is in charge, we need to hold their feet to the fire to make sure all criminal border crossers are deported, regardless whether they committed any acts of violence against Americans.
"Give them an inch and they'll take a mile."
All laws, and even policies, are full of grey areas. The trick for those in charge, i.e. CEs or Prez. is to define the intention of the new law, and then legislate it. Case in point: Deport illegal alien Criminals.
However, without grey areas, one will run into problems, because there are always individuals who 'fall between the cracks', and will be judged too harshly, or conversely, an ill-defined grey area can be driven through, with 18-wheel trucks collecting cash, so to speak. (that is: people will take the opportunity to subvert the system.) <We are here.
So, to summarize the executive actions: First there is the intent of the policy, i.e., deport the crimial aliens. Second, write the policy/law/executive order. Third, know and keep discovering the grey areas, and get very specific how to navigate the 'exceptional' cases. This exerise is not 'going back on promises;, it is making he finer points. So the last process has to be exponentially more thoroughly done than anything else, when writing law or policy.
So, I believe that a massive grey area exists that captures possibly millions or people - i.e., Sabrina Latina worked here for 5 years and she is the most reliable employee of all, we would be devastated to lose her - then the employer should be able to 'vouch' for the employee in some formal way.
Sort of like a trusted employer-nomination of preferred citizenship, or a personal commendation of good character - to facilitate rapid citizenship, on a set of pre-defined conditions, of course - terms and conditions apply.
And then the government must provide clearly described organization-level help for the commended employee so that compilation of the legally prescribed evidences and the lodging of legal forms and completing the process, is rapid, online and live. [<This bit is what I suspect is gwan wrong all these years - a massive backlog of paper. Millions of data-points completely uncaptured, and some sad bureaucrats scratching their heads in a basement, faced with scanning old paper only half-filled in, into a system - LOL].
After all. IF the narrative is to rapidly deport criminals, there should be a counternarrative that is: it should be appropriate to state an intent to not go after the good citizen wannabes, who should be welcome, BTW - but of course they are.
So, if good person = make Legal - just digitize the process already - you can have as many checks you want. Gee - I sound like one of those techy lefties now, LOL
In this way, the diligent workers, at least, don't have to live in fear - BONUS: the lefties have their fangs pulled, and well-behaved adults have an incentive to become an American. One can argue that they came here thinking it was legal. (and that's Biden's fault). So,(how many millions of people?) did not INTEND to break the law.
So I suppose there needs to be a time limitation for this sort of thing, to prevent people coming here in the hope of staying for five years (how are they getting jobs?) before even starting the process.
There is a Visa system, of course, which after several years of re-applying for extensions, etc, one can apply for citizenship. That works for normal people.
They will need to take steps to become US citizens or leave the country and apply for those seasonal work visas.
Zigackly fren. You said it so muh more succinctly than I did.
I agree. Work-sites that have whole gangs speaking another language are nuts. Suddenly one needs bi-lingual site foremen, and retarded picture-signs everywhere. They did not see that coming when teaching Construction Management degrees, or indeed OSH-management:
There are programs for migrant workers to do that stuff legally. Companies STILL choose the illegals - screwing the legal migrants doing things the right way.
Stop the illegals 100%, and raise the numbers of authorized seasonal workers. The illegals either don't want to declare their pay (taxes), or don't want to be identified because of their background. Otherwise they could just go the legal route with the legal programs.
The companies and the illegals (along with the demons) have everyone suckered, and the demons are happy because they get more people in the state to get more House seats (and electoral votes).
HERE:
https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/h-2a-temporary-agricultural-workers