If I have my aviation history correct, the Y12 was the CIA's version of the plane, while the SR71 was commissioned to the Air Force. The Y12 was a single seater and rolled off the assembly line earlier in development.
There was a turf battle between the two agencies over control of the program. The Air Force eventually won out. Until, that is, Robert McNamara shut the SR71 down and had all the specialized tools for machining titanium ordered destroyed. He did so in a very clever manner - by being oversight chairman of the program. He presented himself as the program's protector but in actuality was there to mothball it in favor of reconnaissance satellites. He makes an impressive case study of internal power play politics.
Many people in the hearsay grapevine described McNamara as an incurable SOB. No wonder he played an important role in planning 9/11.
Ah, right. The YF-12A and subsequent A-12 got jumbled in my mind as one. Thank you for the link. Good short article on the naming of the SR-71. (RS-71 flows off the tongue not nearly as well.)
It's mind boggling that those birds were designed and flight ready in the 1960s. Too many stellar engineers at Lockheed Martin had/have to live their careers in secrecy, their accomplishments unheralded.
Sounds about right to me. Many people aren't familiar with the Y12 program - Oxcart.
There were things the SR71 could do that satellites couldn't at the time, like cover a specific area, or send a message. Things change, and I'm not sure about today's tech. Used to be that you needed large precision optics to get a good image with a lot of resolution. Then someone figured out a way to get images with multiple sensors and interference patterns. How well does it work? Maybe in 10-15 years we'll find out.
I agree. The SR71 program had a solid decade of useful service to provide. It could gather information satellites of the time could not. The highly trained pilots felt betrayed.
In the books I've read on the SR71 the flight paths are always described as skimming the outer edge of the Soviet Union's territory, never entering its defended airspace. I do not believe that for a moment. But we have portray history as nice and tidy and international law abiding for public consumption.
I hate how people need to go about their lives working and raising their children in peace to a degree they can manage, while they should have their faces mushed in the awful shit and intrigue of the world. Nice and tidy portrayals of decency are for normal people. Everyone needs to feel embattled.
Agreed but I’m surprised Trump’s Team coming in just doesn’t go through and start redlining projects like this, budgeted to cause harm. But then again it would take a lot of time, a year or more I bet, to sift through departments to cancel the orders/contracts in waiting.
That's the rub - Trump has only been in office this term for 6 months. His first term, the DS was focused on getting rid of Trump. Now they know they can't, and during Biden's 4 years they had plenty of time to setup and fund some of these activities, and now they are desperate. Q mentioned that in the end, the DS would be like a dangerous animal cornered.
Because the DS follows the rules set by an executive order…these are mercenaries at this point. Hopefully this attack will get certain offices attention and do something about this. Blue rain, electrical humming lakes, then 24 hours later, disaster. This isn’t by accident.
Doesn't do any good if Soros is providing funding to keep things going. The expensive part is the capital equipment and getting everything setup in the beginning.
The CIA has a history of funneling money into dark ops, secret programs, etc. The SR71 was one of them. I doubt that well has completely dried up.
If I have my aviation history correct, the Y12 was the CIA's version of the plane, while the SR71 was commissioned to the Air Force. The Y12 was a single seater and rolled off the assembly line earlier in development.
There was a turf battle between the two agencies over control of the program. The Air Force eventually won out. Until, that is, Robert McNamara shut the SR71 down and had all the specialized tools for machining titanium ordered destroyed. He did so in a very clever manner - by being oversight chairman of the program. He presented himself as the program's protector but in actuality was there to mothball it in favor of reconnaissance satellites. He makes an impressive case study of internal power play politics.
Many people in the hearsay grapevine described McNamara as an incurable SOB. No wonder he played an important role in planning 9/11.
https://www.thesr71blackbird.com/Aircraft/Stories/how-the-sr-71-blackbird-got-its-name
Ah, right. The YF-12A and subsequent A-12 got jumbled in my mind as one. Thank you for the link. Good short article on the naming of the SR-71. (RS-71 flows off the tongue not nearly as well.)
It's mind boggling that those birds were designed and flight ready in the 1960s. Too many stellar engineers at Lockheed Martin had/have to live their careers in secrecy, their accomplishments unheralded.
Wait.... What?
Can you point to further reading on this?
TIA
Sounds about right to me. Many people aren't familiar with the Y12 program - Oxcart.
There were things the SR71 could do that satellites couldn't at the time, like cover a specific area, or send a message. Things change, and I'm not sure about today's tech. Used to be that you needed large precision optics to get a good image with a lot of resolution. Then someone figured out a way to get images with multiple sensors and interference patterns. How well does it work? Maybe in 10-15 years we'll find out.
I agree. The SR71 program had a solid decade of useful service to provide. It could gather information satellites of the time could not. The highly trained pilots felt betrayed.
In the books I've read on the SR71 the flight paths are always described as skimming the outer edge of the Soviet Union's territory, never entering its defended airspace. I do not believe that for a moment. But we have portray history as nice and tidy and international law abiding for public consumption.
I hate how people need to go about their lives working and raising their children in peace to a degree they can manage, while they should have their faces mushed in the awful shit and intrigue of the world. Nice and tidy portrayals of decency are for normal people. Everyone needs to feel embattled.
Agreed but I’m surprised Trump’s Team coming in just doesn’t go through and start redlining projects like this, budgeted to cause harm. But then again it would take a lot of time, a year or more I bet, to sift through departments to cancel the orders/contracts in waiting.
That's the rub - Trump has only been in office this term for 6 months. His first term, the DS was focused on getting rid of Trump. Now they know they can't, and during Biden's 4 years they had plenty of time to setup and fund some of these activities, and now they are desperate. Q mentioned that in the end, the DS would be like a dangerous animal cornered.
President Trump could put a stop to all of it by signing one Executive Order. Shouldn't take six months to do that.
Because the DS follows the rules set by an executive order…these are mercenaries at this point. Hopefully this attack will get certain offices attention and do something about this. Blue rain, electrical humming lakes, then 24 hours later, disaster. This isn’t by accident.
Doesn't do any good if Soros is providing funding to keep things going. The expensive part is the capital equipment and getting everything setup in the beginning.
yes!
Tis true, tis true.
Yep. Too much time. Best to leave it. Too much red tape. He just can't do it. They are too powerful.