Federal 5150 incoming Anons. Something I 100% know about since I did this exact job (5150: California Code for psychiatric evaluations for locked psyc detainment) for 20+ years.
We are about to see the return to large scale locked facilities and Assisted Living type places for the disabled, mentally ill, and homeless. Let’s hope instead of abuse, these places can be staffed well, and paid well. In the past these systems failed due to poor pay, and the hiring of shitty and improperly trained staff and management, leading to the severe abuse of patients and their rights.
Hmm, didn’t Q say something about something will send nearly “everyone” to the hospital? 😉
But not necessarily at college sorry but no. Too much brainwashing. The lunatics would literally be running the asylum. Not sure how to overcome that hurdle TBH. Although if you can find a way to sift out the “sure you have a right to ( insert actual mental illness) and just because your violent doesn’t mean you can’t live your best life as a cannibalism advocate. “ underwater basket weaving morons. It could be a good use of grants to pay off college in exchange for working that job. The job would still need to pay a decent wage. Ideally those who genuinely want to heal and also recognize some individuals can never ever heal but need containment AND compassionate separation for life. It would only take a few asshats to create a nightmare system or sabotage it. Your correct in your assessment just not sure it is possible without a committed leader ( pun not intended )
100%!!!!
Since I did hospice and other certified care for 22 years I am painfully aware of the sneaky abuses and disrespect shown. The cameras idea is awesome!
Considered the lowest grunge job of all, very depressing work, if people did get paid a lot better it would take away some of the sting of it.
One of the worst things is the products used around and on these residents... would you want your family member's room air saturated with fkg lysol spray constantly used to cover up poor sanitation? Nasty. Keep the eyeballs on every process, folks
So, what's going to happen in those 4 years it takes to educate staff?
There's already a shortage of workers in that field, and that's talking about shitty workers, much less any that are half way decent.
Then there's the lack of facilities as well. Since Boomers are getting to the age where many of them can't care for themselves, and their families aren't interested in taking care of them, there's already a lack of facilities designed to house and care for people that can't/won't do it for themselves.
It's going to take time to build enough of them to house our homeless/mentally unhealthy population.
So realistically, it's going to be years before this ever actually happens. Just in time for the next president to take the credit for it, if it's a success.
Then there's going to be huge blow back from Boomers who can't get into assisted living, or can't afford it. And then the inevitable problem with people taking advantage of all this and just claiming to be homeless and/or mentally ill in order to have a free ride.
One of my standard practices is to pretend that the other side has said/done something when I'm not sure is a good idea. That way it really cuts through all the bullshit to the heart of the matter and puts an end to a lot of hypocritical bullshit. That's what I've done here.
Be honest, if liberals were proposing any of this, you would not be saying what a good idea it is. At all. And you know it.
If I had the time (I don't), I would go through a shit ton of old posts here about the homeless situation in places like San Francisco and find posts where people were shooting down solutions that liberals were proposing, which had a lot in common with President Trump is proposing here. Do you think any of the Anons were being supportive of liberals proposing virtually the same exact thing?
It's OK to not have 100% the same views as the President (Or anyone else, actually). Every single thing he does doesn't have to be the best idea ever. That's where the label of "cult" starts to kick in.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt
It's OK to say, "Yeah, I don't think this is a great idea." and still be supportive of our President.
Take all of the money from the bloated salaries and benefit packages of ex-fed employees that are being fired or laid off.
Use a portion of said money to build mental hospitals all across the country, and to hire, train, and staff the facilities with good, well trained career employees.
Screen all of the applicants for these positions to see if any of them should be patients rather than staff.
Screen all of the recently fired or laid off feds to see how many of them need to be residents of the new facilities.
Require random drug and psychiatric screenings for ALL employees in these facilities for as long as they are employed.
Provide ongoing funding for supplies, maintenance, etc for all of these facilities, but with mandatory annual audits for every facility and every dollar of funding to make sure the money is being used legally and appropriately, and not being stolen or laundered into peoples' accounts.
It is extremely important to build enough of these facilities, because 25% of liberals are on prescribed mental health medications, and that means that the other 75% are running around unmedicated!
That's still taxpayers money. It doesn't just magically appear. I'm not in favor of using that money for anything. Give it back to the taxpayers.
Again, not our money to be giving it to anyone, for anything, no matter how small a portion. Give it back to the taxpayer. Where it belongs.
3, 4, 5, 6. Yay! Even more people to pay for!
It's extremely important for
People to take care of themselves. The idea that the majority of the people we're talking about can't do anything for themselves is just laughable. Most of them just like taking drugs and not working. For fucks sake, just read over the comments in this conversation thread alone, that supports the fact that most homeless people live like that because they want to and
For families of those that really can't take care of themselves to step up and do the right thing. Find every single person related to those that actually need to be institutionalized and have them fund it. Hell, set up one of those online crowd sourcing companies for them. Get religious organizations to fund it.
Anyone but me and other hard working taxpayers who don't want to pay for these people that we have zero responsibility for. It's amazing how people suddenly do a 180 on their ideas of when using tax payer money to pay for the lifestyle of complete stranger is ok. 🙄
I am pretty sure that the magnitude of the problem, the sheer number of people who truly need to be institutionalized, at least temporarily to receive some treatment, is going to be so far beyond the means and abilities of any organizations other than government that we will have 2 options:
Have government pay for it (with as many checks and balances and safeguards as can be put in place), or
Let everything remain the way it is, understanding that it will continue to get worse over time.
I don't like using taxpayer money either, but I honestly don't believe there is any other option if we truly want to fix the problem, because the sheer magnitude of what will be needed is going to shock everybody.
There have been many studies done that demonstrate pretty conclusively that most homeless people are homeless (and often addicted to drugs and/or alcohol) because they are mentally ill and not receiving any kind of treatment. You can disagree with that as much as you like, and insist that most of them are simply choosing to be homeless for whatever reasons, but the research has been out there for a long time and it doesn't agree with you on this.
The shitty pay and poorly trained staff of previous years was due to being run by the government
Today in modern day many Nursing Homes are understaffed, have shitty pay, and poorly trained staff. And most of those are run by for-profit companies and Private Equity firms. Not Government.
Yeah, it's pretty ubiquitous. The point is that those facilities that are run by the government are historically known to have lower quality of care than privately funded facilities.
And when even the privately run facilities are super shitty, that doesn't bode well for the publicly run facilities, now does it?
It's just a fact that the jobs involved with these facilities are horribly shitty jobs. People that can get better jobs typically do get better jobs. Sure, every once in awhile you'll get a reincarnation of Florence Nightingale (don't worry, they'll make themselves known and make sure you know how great they are at these jobs and how they do it because they're such swell people) but for the most part, the people doing those jobs are doing them because they can't get a better job.
And there's just only so much you can do by paying people more. Sure, it will help, but at the end of the day, most people will decide there's not enough money in the world that makes it worthwhile for them to literally wipe people's asses, clean literal feces up off the wall, deal with people groping them, spitting on them, masturbating in front of them, throwing actual shit on them, body slamming them, cussing them out, trying to kill them, and on and on and on.
Go find someone that works with the mentally ill and homeless and chronic drug users that are going through detox and let them tell you just how great it is working with these people.
Or just talk to the families of these people (you know, those people who should be taking care of this stuff) and listen to their sob stories of how it's impossible for them and their entire family to take care of this person. But apparently all of those issues dissappear if you pay someone enough. 🤷♀️
Then you have the sadists that are drawn to these types of jobs because they have free access to vulnerable people and then do absolutely the most horrendous things imaginable to them, because they can. That's true of any facility that cares for vulnerable people, no matter if its privately funded or publicly funded.
But sure, let's all pretend this is an absolutely swell idea, conveniently forgetting about how anything run by the government is bound to royally fuck up and be full of corruption before its even off the ground.
And let's ignore the fact that there is already a critical shortage of facilities and workers in this industry.
And just for shits and giggles, let's ignore that major decisions (like who gets institutionalized without their consent and what they're institutionalized for) will be made by the same "medical professionals" who made vaccines mandatory for kids to go to school and who decided who lost their jobs if they refused the covid vaccine. The same "medical professionals" who think 7 year Olds who like to play dress-up with their mommy's clothes and makeup have a mental illness and need to take hormones and have their penis cut off. Yeah, that's the same set of people who will be responsible for determining who is mentally ill.
But let's all pretend that there's a magic wand that will be waved and all of these issues will magically be fixed, instantaneously, just because we hope there is. Nope, we don't even need to see anything that might address these issues. We have enough hopium to solve all these problems.
And we'll all just play pretend that this doesn't go 100% against every single.principle we have about what we tax people for in this country.
So, yeah, I think this is a fucking fabulous idea. Just the most fucking fabulous idea ever. 🙃
Yes, that's right. There used to be mass scale abuses in these homes. Not because of poor pay and management but evil sociopaths used them for psychological experiments.
The hiring of incompetent and sadistic staff in institutions was done by the Globalists. This is the whole point Q's message to the human race: Human beings aren't innately cruel to each other. They are manipulated and made to be cruel by the sadistic criminals in charge, by the policies they set, by the orders they enact. We certainly don't want to bring back the rapist, drug-pushing psychiatrists to care for homeless people and for mentally ill people. Some of those broken people do need to be locked up to prevent them from harming others. Insanity and psychosis (evil) do go hand in hand. There is no insane person who is not also dramatizing evil purposes, which is why they are so infuriating to deal with and quickly test the patience of ordinary people. Overall, this will be one of the most powerful reforms Trump has instituted to date in terms of how it can transform the everyday streets of American cities. It will drastically cut down on crime. Hopefully soon we will also get to QUICK TRIALS for serious drug dealers. I want to see them arrested in the morning and pushing up daisies by evening. Each drug dealer is responsible for the deaths of 500 people on average. Every serious drug dealer is a MASS MURDERER.
Federal 5150 incoming Anons. Something I 100% know about since I did this exact job (5150: California Code for psychiatric evaluations for locked psyc detainment) for 20+ years.
We are about to see the return to large scale locked facilities and Assisted Living type places for the disabled, mentally ill, and homeless. Let’s hope instead of abuse, these places can be staffed well, and paid well. In the past these systems failed due to poor pay, and the hiring of shitty and improperly trained staff and management, leading to the severe abuse of patients and their rights.
Hmm, didn’t Q say something about something will send nearly “everyone” to the hospital? 😉
So...who is going to be paying for this?
The shitty pay and poorly trained staff of previous years was due to being run by the government.
Not sure how that's going to be any different this time around.
I suspect PDJT has a plan for funding, doesn't he always have a plan? He knows the past abuses, he won't have that as a part of his legacy.
Staff need to be educated for 4 years and paid better.
If it’s a career and not just a “job” there will be less abuse.
Also, cameras. Allow family to be able to log on at anytime to check on their family members.
The idea of 4 year degrees being a requirement for most jobs needs to go. College is mostly nothing but a debt scam.
Training, not just education. College degrees, most of them, are useless. It's a scam.
Agreed
But not necessarily at college sorry but no. Too much brainwashing. The lunatics would literally be running the asylum. Not sure how to overcome that hurdle TBH. Although if you can find a way to sift out the “sure you have a right to ( insert actual mental illness) and just because your violent doesn’t mean you can’t live your best life as a cannibalism advocate. “ underwater basket weaving morons. It could be a good use of grants to pay off college in exchange for working that job. The job would still need to pay a decent wage. Ideally those who genuinely want to heal and also recognize some individuals can never ever heal but need containment AND compassionate separation for life. It would only take a few asshats to create a nightmare system or sabotage it. Your correct in your assessment just not sure it is possible without a committed leader ( pun not intended )
Agreed, well said.
Actually have people train for once.
100%!!!! Since I did hospice and other certified care for 22 years I am painfully aware of the sneaky abuses and disrespect shown. The cameras idea is awesome! Considered the lowest grunge job of all, very depressing work, if people did get paid a lot better it would take away some of the sting of it. One of the worst things is the products used around and on these residents... would you want your family member's room air saturated with fkg lysol spray constantly used to cover up poor sanitation? Nasty. Keep the eyeballs on every process, folks
So, what's going to happen in those 4 years it takes to educate staff?
There's already a shortage of workers in that field, and that's talking about shitty workers, much less any that are half way decent.
Then there's the lack of facilities as well. Since Boomers are getting to the age where many of them can't care for themselves, and their families aren't interested in taking care of them, there's already a lack of facilities designed to house and care for people that can't/won't do it for themselves.
It's going to take time to build enough of them to house our homeless/mentally unhealthy population.
So realistically, it's going to be years before this ever actually happens. Just in time for the next president to take the credit for it, if it's a success.
Then there's going to be huge blow back from Boomers who can't get into assisted living, or can't afford it. And then the inevitable problem with people taking advantage of all this and just claiming to be homeless and/or mentally ill in order to have a free ride.
One of my standard practices is to pretend that the other side has said/done something when I'm not sure is a good idea. That way it really cuts through all the bullshit to the heart of the matter and puts an end to a lot of hypocritical bullshit. That's what I've done here.
Be honest, if liberals were proposing any of this, you would not be saying what a good idea it is. At all. And you know it.
If I had the time (I don't), I would go through a shit ton of old posts here about the homeless situation in places like San Francisco and find posts where people were shooting down solutions that liberals were proposing, which had a lot in common with President Trump is proposing here. Do you think any of the Anons were being supportive of liberals proposing virtually the same exact thing?
It's OK to not have 100% the same views as the President (Or anyone else, actually). Every single thing he does doesn't have to be the best idea ever. That's where the label of "cult" starts to kick in.
It's OK to say, "Yeah, I don't think this is a great idea." and still be supportive of our President.
Some very good ideas here!
Agreed.
It is extremely important to build enough of these facilities, because 25% of liberals are on prescribed mental health medications, and that means that the other 75% are running around unmedicated!
That's still taxpayers money. It doesn't just magically appear. I'm not in favor of using that money for anything. Give it back to the taxpayers.
Again, not our money to be giving it to anyone, for anything, no matter how small a portion. Give it back to the taxpayer. Where it belongs.
3, 4, 5, 6. Yay! Even more people to pay for!
It's extremely important for
People to take care of themselves. The idea that the majority of the people we're talking about can't do anything for themselves is just laughable. Most of them just like taking drugs and not working. For fucks sake, just read over the comments in this conversation thread alone, that supports the fact that most homeless people live like that because they want to and
For families of those that really can't take care of themselves to step up and do the right thing. Find every single person related to those that actually need to be institutionalized and have them fund it. Hell, set up one of those online crowd sourcing companies for them. Get religious organizations to fund it.
Anyone but me and other hard working taxpayers who don't want to pay for these people that we have zero responsibility for. It's amazing how people suddenly do a 180 on their ideas of when using tax payer money to pay for the lifestyle of complete stranger is ok. 🙄
I am pretty sure that the magnitude of the problem, the sheer number of people who truly need to be institutionalized, at least temporarily to receive some treatment, is going to be so far beyond the means and abilities of any organizations other than government that we will have 2 options:
I don't like using taxpayer money either, but I honestly don't believe there is any other option if we truly want to fix the problem, because the sheer magnitude of what will be needed is going to shock everybody.
There have been many studies done that demonstrate pretty conclusively that most homeless people are homeless (and often addicted to drugs and/or alcohol) because they are mentally ill and not receiving any kind of treatment. You can disagree with that as much as you like, and insist that most of them are simply choosing to be homeless for whatever reasons, but the research has been out there for a long time and it doesn't agree with you on this.
Today in modern day many Nursing Homes are understaffed, have shitty pay, and poorly trained staff. And most of those are run by for-profit companies and Private Equity firms. Not Government.
Yeah, it's pretty ubiquitous. The point is that those facilities that are run by the government are historically known to have lower quality of care than privately funded facilities.
And when even the privately run facilities are super shitty, that doesn't bode well for the publicly run facilities, now does it?
It's just a fact that the jobs involved with these facilities are horribly shitty jobs. People that can get better jobs typically do get better jobs. Sure, every once in awhile you'll get a reincarnation of Florence Nightingale (don't worry, they'll make themselves known and make sure you know how great they are at these jobs and how they do it because they're such swell people) but for the most part, the people doing those jobs are doing them because they can't get a better job.
And there's just only so much you can do by paying people more. Sure, it will help, but at the end of the day, most people will decide there's not enough money in the world that makes it worthwhile for them to literally wipe people's asses, clean literal feces up off the wall, deal with people groping them, spitting on them, masturbating in front of them, throwing actual shit on them, body slamming them, cussing them out, trying to kill them, and on and on and on.
Go find someone that works with the mentally ill and homeless and chronic drug users that are going through detox and let them tell you just how great it is working with these people.
Or just talk to the families of these people (you know, those people who should be taking care of this stuff) and listen to their sob stories of how it's impossible for them and their entire family to take care of this person. But apparently all of those issues dissappear if you pay someone enough. 🤷♀️
Then you have the sadists that are drawn to these types of jobs because they have free access to vulnerable people and then do absolutely the most horrendous things imaginable to them, because they can. That's true of any facility that cares for vulnerable people, no matter if its privately funded or publicly funded.
But sure, let's all pretend this is an absolutely swell idea, conveniently forgetting about how anything run by the government is bound to royally fuck up and be full of corruption before its even off the ground.
And let's ignore the fact that there is already a critical shortage of facilities and workers in this industry.
And just for shits and giggles, let's ignore that major decisions (like who gets institutionalized without their consent and what they're institutionalized for) will be made by the same "medical professionals" who made vaccines mandatory for kids to go to school and who decided who lost their jobs if they refused the covid vaccine. The same "medical professionals" who think 7 year Olds who like to play dress-up with their mommy's clothes and makeup have a mental illness and need to take hormones and have their penis cut off. Yeah, that's the same set of people who will be responsible for determining who is mentally ill.
But let's all pretend that there's a magic wand that will be waved and all of these issues will magically be fixed, instantaneously, just because we hope there is. Nope, we don't even need to see anything that might address these issues. We have enough hopium to solve all these problems.
And we'll all just play pretend that this doesn't go 100% against every single.principle we have about what we tax people for in this country.
So, yeah, I think this is a fucking fabulous idea. Just the most fucking fabulous idea ever. 🙃
Yes, that's right. There used to be mass scale abuses in these homes. Not because of poor pay and management but evil sociopaths used them for psychological experiments.
Both, poor hiring practices, crappy pay, and negligible personnel and patient management/care. Yes exactly too, the awful experiments.
Hopefully there will be checks and balance.
There would be if I was the boss/DJT’s Fed mental health Director
I certainly agree about cams in those areas.
Anywhere hospital USA. Medical has declined in EVERY aspect over the last 30 years.
The hiring of incompetent and sadistic staff in institutions was done by the Globalists. This is the whole point Q's message to the human race: Human beings aren't innately cruel to each other. They are manipulated and made to be cruel by the sadistic criminals in charge, by the policies they set, by the orders they enact. We certainly don't want to bring back the rapist, drug-pushing psychiatrists to care for homeless people and for mentally ill people. Some of those broken people do need to be locked up to prevent them from harming others. Insanity and psychosis (evil) do go hand in hand. There is no insane person who is not also dramatizing evil purposes, which is why they are so infuriating to deal with and quickly test the patience of ordinary people. Overall, this will be one of the most powerful reforms Trump has instituted to date in terms of how it can transform the everyday streets of American cities. It will drastically cut down on crime. Hopefully soon we will also get to QUICK TRIALS for serious drug dealers. I want to see them arrested in the morning and pushing up daisies by evening. Each drug dealer is responsible for the deaths of 500 people on average. Every serious drug dealer is a MASS MURDERER.
Not to mention, if all they have to offer is drugging people, will they be any better off?