What? Revelation 12:5 is not taking about "Jesus"? I beg to differ. The Son in Rev 12:5 is obviously Jesus Christ, the Seed of the Woman, the Child of the Virgin, born of Israel to rule the nations. In this verse John telescopes the entire history of Christ's earthly ministry, stating (as if it had happened all at once) that her Child was caught up to God and to His Throne.
I voted for Donald Trump (twice) but he's not going to be "King of the Earth", at least not in any spiritual or biblical sense. He's a mere man and just like us he is fallible with a fallen nature. Maybe I've misunderstood what you wrote....
Can you please point to the Bible verse that says SOMEONE ELSE comes and does all the hard work/heavy lifting to clean up corruption and defeat evil AND THEN Jesus just descends from the clouds?
and here we are at the crossroads of dogmatic literal translation religiousity and the realization that bible verses are metaphors and that 1/2 of ancient scripture was abandoned by the politically motivated Roman church
for behold, the kingdom of God is within you - its not some dude with sandals riding a cloud to save us - it is the awakening of the Christ consciousness within ourselves to save our communities and ourselves with it
Can you please point to the Bible verse that says Donald Trump is the someone who comes and does all the hard work/heavy lifting to clean up corruption and defeat evil? Listen fren if you think Rev 12:5 refers to anyone other than Jesus Christ you are sadly mistaken.
What's Revelation all about? What's it's main theme? The purpose of the Revelation was to reveal Christ as Lord to a suffering Church. Because they (1st century saints) were being persecuted, the early Christians could be tempted to fear that the word was getting out of hand - that Jesus, who had claimed "all authority....in heaven and earth" (Matt 28:18), was not really in control at all. The apostles often warned against this man-centered error, reminding the people that God's sovereignty is over all history.
Revelation 1:1 tells us all we need to know about the Revelation: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants that things that must shortly take place...." (Rev 1:1).
Did you catch that? It's the Revelation of Jesus Christ! Not Donald J. Trump or any other human being. The interpretation that you have put forth is not supported either in Scripture or bible scholars. So the burden is on you to show that Rev. 12:5 is a reference to President Donald J. Trump.
What? Revelation 12:5 is not taking about "Jesus"? I beg to differ. The Son in Rev 12:5 is obviously Jesus Christ, the Seed of the Woman, the Child of the Virgin, born of Israel to rule the nations. In this verse John telescopes the entire history of Christ's earthly ministry, stating (as if it had happened all at once) that her Child was caught up to God and to His Throne.
I voted for Donald Trump (twice) but he's not going to be "King of the Earth", at least not in any spiritual or biblical sense. He's a mere man and just like us he is fallible with a fallen nature. Maybe I've misunderstood what you wrote....
Can you please point to the Bible verse that says SOMEONE ELSE comes and does all the hard work/heavy lifting to clean up corruption and defeat evil AND THEN Jesus just descends from the clouds?
and here we are at the crossroads of dogmatic literal translation religiousity and the realization that bible verses are metaphors and that 1/2 of ancient scripture was abandoned by the politically motivated Roman church
for behold, the kingdom of God is within you - its not some dude with sandals riding a cloud to save us - it is the awakening of the Christ consciousness within ourselves to save our communities and ourselves with it
+1 u/Hillbilly77
"For the Kingdom of Heaven is in your midst but men do not see it."
Completely agree with that
It's in our DNA. Ascension.
It was a self reference to the presence of Jesus. But most men do not see it...
Can you please point to the Bible verse that says Donald Trump is the someone who comes and does all the hard work/heavy lifting to clean up corruption and defeat evil? Listen fren if you think Rev 12:5 refers to anyone other than Jesus Christ you are sadly mistaken.
What's Revelation all about? What's it's main theme? The purpose of the Revelation was to reveal Christ as Lord to a suffering Church. Because they (1st century saints) were being persecuted, the early Christians could be tempted to fear that the word was getting out of hand - that Jesus, who had claimed "all authority....in heaven and earth" (Matt 28:18), was not really in control at all. The apostles often warned against this man-centered error, reminding the people that God's sovereignty is over all history.
Revelation 1:1 tells us all we need to know about the Revelation: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants that things that must shortly take place...." (Rev 1:1).
Did you catch that? It's the Revelation of Jesus Christ! Not Donald J. Trump or any other human being. The interpretation that you have put forth is not supported either in Scripture or bible scholars. So the burden is on you to show that Rev. 12:5 is a reference to President Donald J. Trump.