Periodically, the United States Government will publish a compendium of its “Treaties in Force”.
These are international treaties to which the President of the United States, with the consent of the Senate, has agreed to subject the whole of the United States to.
These treaties supersede both Federal Law and State Law.
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/TIF-2020-Full-website-view.pdf
Some significant ones listed:
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INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR MIGRATION - TAXATION - Tax reimbursement agreement, with annex. Signed at Washington September 17, 1997. Entered into force September 17, 1997. TIAS 12883
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INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR THE UNIFICATION OF PRIVATE LAW - TAXATION - Tax reimbursement agreement, with annex. Signed at Rome September 17, 2013. Entered into force September 17, 2013. TIAS 13-917
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Geneva Convention on road traffic, with annexes and protocol. - Done at Geneva September 19, 1949. Entered into force March 26, 1952. 3 UST 3008; TIAS 2487; 125 UNTS 22 Depositary: United Nations
Please let me know significant ones to add to the list.
Which of these should we want revoked and why?
How would one go about working to revoke these, and what would the consequences be?
Was the ability to enter into treaties delegated from the President to the Secretary of State?
Thanks to u/bubble_bursts and u/AlgaeBanquet for reminding me about intending to make this thread.
More posted as I dig through the document myself.
Great add from u/Malachi3vs16
https://greatawakening.win/p/19Bt7CVxPE/x/c/4eVKnI9MaNq
So Treaties in Force, do they supercede the Constitution?
UN Participation Act of 1949, is all legislation meant to comply with the UN? The Security Council replaced the League of Nations as the law-making organ of the UN, its decisions are binding, UN General Assembly resolutions are expressions of will, but not legally binding.
Under the UN there are regional organizations with Declarations of Human Rights, so USA is part of the Organization of American States (OAS) and it has a court of human rights. The human rights document for the Americas is actually pro-life which is interesting, went into effect before Roe v. Wade if I remember correctly. Here’s the OAS charter https://www.oas.org/en/sla/dil/inter_american_treaties_A-41_charter_OAS.asp & *“American Convention on Human Rights”*https://www.oas.org/dil/treaties_b-32_american_convention_on_human_rights.pdf
Reid v. Covert treaties cannot supersede the Constitution, and when applied treaties cannot abrogate individual rights or separation of powers of government.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/354/1/
Behold A Pale Horse has good discussions on how internationalists intended for the UN to allow Congress to make laws which without the UN such new laws could not be passed. And the Cooley and Norton scholars are brought upon the topic.
https://archive.org/details/behold-a-pale-horse-william-cooper_202302/mode/2up?q=treaties
I like the opinion of Reid v. Covert
Asia does not have a comprehensive organization or system. During the Cold War, the Communist Bloc nations had their International Covenant on Civil &Political Rights & western Bloc nations had for their human rights framework the Intl. Covenant on Economic, Social & Cultural Rights (ICESCR).
And we know how Obummer & sHillary treated Qadaafi as he helped lead the African Union.
According to the Constitution, NOTHING supersedes it.
End of Story
This.
His comment says that treaties don’t supersede the constitution, and my post doesn’t claim they do, either.
Law is a different story. Feel free to dig on whether they supersede existing federal/state laws and statutes, or if it’s only that future laws/statutes have to be in compliance, or if treaties are just suggestions that don’t have any effect on any of those. They surely do, or they wouldn’t be makeable.
I listed one treaty in force that I already have a post drawn up on that seems to have either superseded state law or had a definitive hand in creating it. Will link it back to this post when I make it.
If those staites and laws follow the constitution they cant be superceded. If they dont, they dont matter for shit anyway.
I’ll try to remember to tag you when I do that more detailed writeup.
Treaties are laws. They supersede (lay on top of) the Constitution in a way, because they are part of the legal framework written into the Constitution which is designed to put all laws on top of the Constitution. These laws have to supersede the Constitution to function.
What I think you mean is that Treaties (or any contract between parties) have Jurisdiction of the Constitution (or the people who enforce the Constitution), and in that case they only do if the other party is powerful enough to enforce their will.
That is the case of ALL LAWS, including Treaties, or Constitutions, or whatever. That is the fundamental premise of social limits (AKA laws).
The Constitution is nothing but a legal framework (a "governmental corporation"). It is written in such a way that it can change over time, as the needs are warranted. Any law within the governmental corporation we call the "US Govt." becomes part of the Constitution the moment it is written (or signed, or whatever, i.e. ratified). It can become "un-Constitutional" if the Judicial Branch says so (ultimately determined by SCOTUS), or by those laws that fall into the other branches (Executive or Legislative) if those laws are within their Jurisdiction, or if they are part of the Prime System ("Constitution") by democratic vote. Treaties can be cancelled any time by any branch (I think). Any such act is an act of war because it is a breach of contract, exactly the same as any other breach of contract.
The "Constitution" is just a barebones legal framework AKA a set of laws AKA a legal fiction that creates the legal (AKA fictional) limits of the system of government (a governmental corporation). It isn't more important than any other law really. It's really all about who determines which people can enforce and/or cancel which laws. But by Natural Law, all are subject to the individual.
All laws, all Constitutions, all Treaties, all contracts are subject (fall under the Jurisdiction of) the Individual by Natural Law. There are consequences of any breach of contract ("breaking the law"), but those consequences are only meaningful if their is a powerful enough group of people willing to enforce their will (another act of war).
That is ultimately how every such interaction in "law" works.
I completely disagree with your premise and explanation of the constitution and its standing. as the supreme law of the land; All law must fit into it and not violate it. Its primary function is to limit government duties and power, and frame its operations, its second function is to notify the citizen of its limits on government including the 10th thst states thst the state and the citizen have the final say. Supreme above the state is the individual who is not controlled by any manner but his conscience. It was hoped a man would frame his conscience with Gods Word which is the supreme law of the world weather people want to believe that or not.
I agree with both
Except the will of the individual.
Beginning AND End of Story (and all the middle too, if we can remember the Truth that most have been encouraged to forget)..
It's that whole "Natural Law" thing biting corporations ("fictional entities") and their laws ("legal fictions") in their collective asses.
The will of which individual supersedes the Constitution?
By Natural Law, all of them.
The concept of "will" intrinsically includes freedom, AKA the only will that exists is "free will." All individuals have free will by Natural Law.
From the DOI:
The people who created the Constitution fully understood that all individuals are only beholden to (limited by) Natural Laws. Any government that attempts to subvert those Natural Laws, or call itself the "Sovereign" of the individual is fraudulent.
"Sovereign" means "Ultimate Authority." All individuals are the Ultimate Authority of their Jurisdiction. A group of people (such as a government) is, if they work in concert, only working within the Jurisdiction of the sum of the people acting in concert. The Jurisdiction becomes "larger" only in the sense that each individual is acting in concert, and the resultant Jurisdiction is acting as the summation of the individual Jurisdictions. However, anyone who dissents from the group is never under the groups Jurisdiction by their free will.
So what is an individuals Jurisdiction? That's a somewhat complicated question (outside of this response), but included in that Jurisdiction is choice. No other entity can choose for you. Not ever. All they can do is attempt to limit their choices to the point that an individual feels that they have no other choice. The truth is, there is always choice until you are dead (and possibly after, who knows).
The concept of a government as being "Sovereign" is itself fraudulent, at least by the way we use it. We think of a "government" as being an entity of its own. But that is a fiction (specifically, a "legal fiction" AKA it only exists within the framework of "law," which is itself a fictional framework expecting only the Natural Laws themselves). In other words, a government is not an entity by Natural Law, it only "exists" within the definition of a specific fictional system of laws, AKA a corporation ("an entity made corporeal through fiction").
A government itself is purely fictional. It can't interreact with the universe. It can't do anything. It doesn't actually exist. People can do things, make choices, interact with the universe, because they are real entities. A bunch of people calling itself a "government" is just a bunch of individuals, acting in concert (sometimes). As we do it, that group pretends that it is a single entity. That pretense causes all sorts of fuckery.
So when a bunch of people try to subvert the will of another, it's just a bunch of people doing that. They may try to do that, calling themselves a single entity through the fiction of law, but if you believe it, you are allowing yourself to believe their fraud. If they build a system (such as a government AKA fictional legal framework) that uses propaganda to falsely create those beliefs, subverting Natural Law, then all that has happened is that specific group of individuals (pretty much all of whom are Aristocrats) has done, is commit systemic fraud.
As just one piece of evidence of that systemic fraud:
The person who (ostensibly) wrote that line in the DOI (Jefferson), spent his entire life enriching himself (a megamillionaire) on the backs of an entire village's worth of black Slaves and white Indentured Servants, most of whom (statistically) never worked out their indenture.
That same person insisted that the only people who should be allowed to vote (participate in the laws of the land and make their social choices) must be land owners (exactly the same as the Landed Aristocrats of England). Those land owners were themselves the children of the Aristocracy (mostly the "seventh sons" of the English and Dutch Aristocracies), consisting of less than 3% of the population. Women weren't considered "equal" about ANYTHING AT ALL. In many ways, they were worth even less than black slaves as far as that "free" government and laws were considered.
There are so many other issues in the government, the DOI, and the Constitution. SO MANY MORE. We ignore the issues if we are aware of them at all. If we are aware of them, they are shoved under the rug and told, through the propaganda systems, "they were a product of the times." The more you dig, the more you find who really created those systems, why they created them, and how they were setting up the system we call (or at least that I call) The Matrix.
10th amendment. These are not the only rights the state and the people reserve to themselves.
I had not read this comme t until after I posted. We do fully agree on "except the will of the people."
The word supreme is meaningless under the treaty b.s.