That's not the same as saying 'we're all responsible for all', especially in light of what I'm pointing out with the other post. If you really look into Catholic Social Doctrine and how they use the term 'the common good' you will find some peculiar things.
I posit they were the first Communist entity, though they qualify it with a moral element, unlike the secular variant. This moral element is (of course) defined by them, and the people are to obey and part with their property 'as needed'.
As Christians, we ARE responsible for all. (Read your Bible)
Or did I miss the part where Jesus says "Taketh thy wealth, store it away, and looketh at it as a miser would vieweth his gold. And whatever you do, never help your neighbor."
We are also called upon to be prudent (so as not to waste charitable giving).
But what the heck -- let's equate 'being charitable' with 'Communism'.
You seem to be missing the point. What I am saying is there is a foreign government which holds to the belief that it is up to them to decide what your charitable acts are to be. I don't dispute anything Jesus said.
I'm not missing the point -- but perhaps I'm missing the part where the quote you posted comes from a 'foreign government' -- and where it's 'up to them' to decide.
Read the quote that is embedded in your post, and tell me that you can't hear JESUS saying those exact words.
We are not to have 'vague compassion', but to actively help others. That is what love is (the Greek word 'agape', or 'wanting the highest good for the other'). It is exactly what Jesus teaches.
"The HOLY SEE is the universal government of the Catholic Church and operates from Vatican City State, a sovereign, independent territory. The Pope is the ruler of both Vatican City State and the HOLY SEE. The HOLY SEE, as the supreme body of government of the Catholic Church, is a sovereign juridical entity under international law." https://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3819.htm ... Wealth? Power? Sanctuary against criminal prosecution? Recipe for …….
If you knew the unique history of the Church, you'd understand how and why it is a sovereign independent territory. It's a multi-semester course, so I won't summarize it here -- but you still haven't answered my question about the quote (that you hate so much because it comes from the Church).
How does that quote vary from what Jesus would say?
God loveth a cheerful giver. I can fogure out where to give without a priest. After all as a believer I have holy spirit and can talk to amd hear Gods voice myself.
Enormous difference between Acts (specifically chapter 2) and Communism.
Acts was talking about people voluntarily giving up possessions (for the betterment of the early church), and each person had the ability to stop if they saw that it was being misused (or if they were being taken advantage of).
It was all voluntary and necessary because Jesus did not have a physical headquarters and needed to travel all over the place. So His disciples decided to sell all their belongings to be able to go around planting churches. It was a unique period of time.
But yes I do believe the Catholic church uses those verses to guilt unlearned people into giving up their property...
Not really, they had all things common because they trusted God as their source of supply and not a secular government. Plus whats mine is not yours biblicallly unless i decide by my free will to give it to you.
Eph says, but my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in flory in Christ Jesus. Covers both the spiritual and physical.
I have often thought this about the phrase, Where We Go One, We Go All.
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That's not the same as saying 'we're all responsible for all', especially in light of what I'm pointing out with the other post. If you really look into Catholic Social Doctrine and how they use the term 'the common good' you will find some peculiar things.
I posit they were the first Communist entity, though they qualify it with a moral element, unlike the secular variant. This moral element is (of course) defined by them, and the people are to obey and part with their property 'as needed'.
Addendum: https://greatawakening.win/p/19A12tNri2/new-study-finds-crazy-jew-did-no/c/
Addendum: https://greatawakening.win/p/19BtPqM0tm/reminder-that-the-pope-is-the-so/c/
I'm just saying that's one of the quiet questions in my mind.
Indeed. Tis dasting. Have thought as well fren
As Christians, we ARE responsible for all. (Read your Bible)
Or did I miss the part where Jesus says "Taketh thy wealth, store it away, and looketh at it as a miser would vieweth his gold. And whatever you do, never help your neighbor."
We are also called upon to be prudent (so as not to waste charitable giving).
But what the heck -- let's equate 'being charitable' with 'Communism'.
You seem to be missing the point. What I am saying is there is a foreign government which holds to the belief that it is up to them to decide what your charitable acts are to be. I don't dispute anything Jesus said.
I'm not missing the point -- but perhaps I'm missing the part where the quote you posted comes from a 'foreign government' -- and where it's 'up to them' to decide.
Read the quote that is embedded in your post, and tell me that you can't hear JESUS saying those exact words.
We are not to have 'vague compassion', but to actively help others. That is what love is (the Greek word 'agape', or 'wanting the highest good for the other'). It is exactly what Jesus teaches.
Have you read the Q drops? Or any modestly-accurate history of the Catholic church?
https://qalerts.app/?n=1950
And I quote:
If you knew the unique history of the Church, you'd understand how and why it is a sovereign independent territory. It's a multi-semester course, so I won't summarize it here -- but you still haven't answered my question about the quote (that you hate so much because it comes from the Church).
How does that quote vary from what Jesus would say?
God loveth a cheerful giver. I can fogure out where to give without a priest. After all as a believer I have holy spirit and can talk to amd hear Gods voice myself.
Roman catholicism is a political ideology. Tje pope is an IDOLand they made a man into god. Not biblical at all.
A goverment taking by force and distributing all wealth = communism.
People voluntarily helping one another as they perceive need (and not grift) = charity.
Polar opposites.
The first few chapters of Acts reads a lot like communism, too.
Enormous difference between Acts (specifically chapter 2) and Communism.
Acts was talking about people voluntarily giving up possessions (for the betterment of the early church), and each person had the ability to stop if they saw that it was being misused (or if they were being taken advantage of).
It was all voluntary and necessary because Jesus did not have a physical headquarters and needed to travel all over the place. So His disciples decided to sell all their belongings to be able to go around planting churches. It was a unique period of time.
But yes I do believe the Catholic church uses those verses to guilt unlearned people into giving up their property...
They should start with their own perhaps?
Not really, they had all things common because they trusted God as their source of supply and not a secular government. Plus whats mine is not yours biblicallly unless i decide by my free will to give it to you.
Eph says, but my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in flory in Christ Jesus. Covers both the spiritual and physical.
Because it is voluntary doing good.